Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!

[Alkemyst]

@ple3003
 
The Aone/Pegasos are not POP.

And what you said about Aos4 could be turned on its head & said about MOS.

MOS only runs on Pegasos & Amiga PPC cards

AOS4 only runs on Aone & Amiga PPC cards.
 
Until either run on Hardware that is not there own Both are as closed as each other.

[Alkemyst]

@ D

You fail to see that its not just what you see.

As MOS does not run on the Aone yet either.

The primarily reason is Genesi.

so for Aos4 not running on Pegasos its the license.

For MOS not running on Aone its Genesi.

Different methods same out come.

[Alkemyst]

There is NO POP board to buy for home use.

So it dont matter if its MOS or Aos4.

None will run on just any mobo with out drivers & new Hal.

There is no standard PPC platform yet.

This not PC land where a standard has been set.

HO  & why is it always Genesi/MOS aside with you.
Maybe cos you bought a Pegasos/MOS.
They can do what they want cos you bought from them.

But Aos4 has to go by your rules.

You dont ask for MOS to run on all PPC mobo's
You dont ask for MOSx86.

But you ask the other side Aos4 to take all the risk.

If Aos4 fails by talking all the risks at least you got MOS to fall back on.
You dont want MOS that you bought to take a risk.

& how many times have you been told this Mips_Proc.

[Alkemyst]

@Seehund
How many Business have you run .

[Alkemyst]

@T_Bone

URL pls

Plus any alteration from IBM POP may make the modo non POP compliant + the ref was old.

Pegasos has custom parts.
Aone has had alterations as well that were not part of the Ref.

The fact is you can use as much or as little of the Ref as you want.

[Alkemyst]

@gary_c

I already know about that.

But just cos they have been able to run MOS on it,it does not mean they will release it for it.

That would give the Aone an advantage.

[Alkemyst]

@ T-Bone

Ofcorse Linux will work across the MAI range.
& so should Aos4, Aone-SE Aone-XE  there's 2 already.

But ppl thinking anything saying POP will work cos its a set standard & that was my point.

Look at VHS. SP,LP,ET,SVHS.

if ppl applied their thinking of POP to VHS they would try to run a LP recorded video in a SP only player.

[Alkemyst]

The petition is total crap.

Its not about saving AmigaOS.
How could all of us not buying Aone/Aos4 save amigaOS.
That would kill it out right.

NO more AmigaOS versions.
AMIGA.INC will then drop all AmigaOS ref. from its site
 
Hyperion will stay with MacOS/Linux

Eyetech will continue with the Linux version of the mobo.

And i will move on to Apple.

This petition is like a terrorist out fit. Do it My way or ill kill you off.

This petition will not change the plans of Amiga.inc,Hyperion,Eyetech.
All it could do is change the plans of the users to not buy anything & the end result is ITS ALL OVER FOR AMIGAOS.

[Alkemyst]

Alkemyst, you need to learn the difference between "Petition" and "Boycott"

I do & if you read some of the comments you can see that the petition is doing exactly that.
Its getting some ppl to boycott Aone/Aos4.

[Alkemyst]

by Paul_Gadd on 2003/1/11 2:16:29

@ple3003

Yeah i remember, this AmigaONE vs Pegasos madness has gone over the top,

I will not be purchasing either of them but i think it is great to see healthy competition in the Amiga market,

Let the best man win,

As for the petition you posted comments from, yeah i've signed it.

That is quite common i have found.
Alot of the ppl who signed the petition have no intention of buying anything Anyway.
So they sign the petition to stir things up abit as they have nothing to lose cos they were going to stay with their PC's/Mac's anyway.

[Alkemyst]

@Korodny

Damn Right.

[Alkemyst]

by Paul_Gadd on 2003/1/11 3:27:11

@Alkemyst

If you have read those comments then it clearly says why they wont purchase a A1 board,

But again we are back to the good old "someone has said something negative about the wonderfull Amiga" which must be tearing you apart inside,

They is no mention of Boycotting on there or even plans to do so unless you have visited a page which i missed (url please).

No not at all but its that i know many of the ppl who have signed the petition & i knew their views before the petition was started.

They had no intention of buying any PPC mobo. They wanted AmigaOx86 or nothing.

Many have other motives to sign the petition.

Some hoping to kill AmigaOS ppc in the hope that amiga.inc will turn to x86
other are MOS guy's hoping to put ppl off Aone/AmigaOS4, so that may get them over to pegasos/MOS.
 
You & mips_proc should stop your self centered norrow mined view of other ppl,
with your continualy telling ppl what they are feeling & saying.
You have to see things from their point of view & not yours all the time.
Cos your too busy thinking what you would really meen  if you were useing them words your self,instead of just reading what is said to be exactly what is said.

Just Look at seehund's post's for a good example to having a totaly different view to me.
But  nowhere does he tell me what im feeling or what your really trying to say is all the time comments. And no name calling or worship comments.
 

[Alkemyst]

by -D- on 2003/1/11 3:52:59

Come on Alkemyst, it's not the 'petition' that's
hurting anything, it's A - Inc's policies that
upset these people enough for there to be a
petition in the first place. There wouldn't be a
petition otherwise. And if this is really about
you believing in the principle of a dongle (I'm
not saying you said this, just inferring) or a
license deal, would you be one of the first to
head up the charge for a software dongle,
if there wasn't one?

That comment implies that im not being truthful in what im saying.
I stand by what im saying, i will not say anything wich to hide what i really think.
I say what i think.

The last bit of your comment implies that you know what i would & would not do.
The fact is you have No idear what i would or would not do & nore do you know the depth of my pockets.

[Alkemyst]

by AmiGR on 2003/1/11 11:43:09

No, my dear Alkemyst. The petition is not boycotting
anything.
I singed it and I plan to buy OS4. I will not buy the
AmigaONE for my own reasons (it's not a platform I
like).
It doesn't state ANYWHERE in the petition that we
should boycott anything. The petition is collecting
signatures to send to Amiga Inc.

Please read my post again & you will see that i do not state ANYWHERE that the petition says boycott or that the petition is boycott.

[Alkemyst]

What i find funny is that Most ppl knew about the license  &
That the Pegasos did not have a license for Aos4. But they bought it anyway.
And now they are moaning at Amiga.inc/Hperion for Aos4 support on it.

There maybe another silly bunch who may buy a barbie if it ever comes out.
Even tho they have been told NO AOS4 for that board.
And yet will come moaning at Amiga.inc/Hyperion for Aos4 support on it.
 

This is exactly what Hyperion has been saying to why you buy authed Hardware or go with out.

10 or so PPC mobos may come out & emails comming from all over the place from ppl who want Aos4 on the mobo they just bought,
with out Hyperion know how many copies they are likley to shift for that mobo & would it be worth the expence & effort.
 
With out the docs cos that firm did not want to give out its PPC mobo secrets to such  a small player. We have seen this already with a make of PCI bussboard & a well known gfx card maker.

I doubt that many here would want to play HALO, but would get a PS2
& then harass M$ for Halo for PS2 cos they didnt like the XBox hardware.
Either you buy the Hardware you dont want & play the Game you  do want or you Buy the hardware yo do want & go with out the Game you want.
This sort of thing happends alot.

You rarely get your cake & eat it.

But i see cos Amiga.inc/Hyperion are seen as small players so you think it gives you the right to harass & demand everything that you want from them like a bunch of bullies.

You made your choice so now live with it.