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Offline OlafS3

Re: Any plans to increased the AmigaNG software?
« Reply #89 from previous page: October 23, 2014, 11:30:34 PM »
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That might be true, but how many of the people still 'using' m68k-amigaos belong to the target audience of a software developer?

Software development on 68k completely died down a decade ago. What was released after that is either a port of something maintained by outspoken PPC supporters (YAM, Wookiechat...) or written in AmiBlitz - which means that due to the limitations of the compiler, there'll always be a 68k built even if the developer doesn't care much about 68k (i.e. HD-Rec). As a platform for desktop users, 68k is in much worse shape than AmigaOS 4 or MorphOS. As in: "Even more dead".

A m68k port of AROS is nice for creating free/libre emulator distributions without depending on AInc. And it's a good gimmick for those people who collect, repair and polish old hardware and then want to have a shiny Workbench environment running on it that almost looks like it belongs to this century.

For everything else, m68k-AROS simply appeared way to late - which seems to be the common theme for AROS in general. If AROS would have been there when Amithlon took shape, the Amiga scene might look very different these days. But it wasn't, and now it's 2014.


I never said that Aros 68k will be the main desktop system or mainstream OS again, time have changed and no chance anymore. In opposite to how many NG users see the future I think the only chance is to have it as a kind of toy, a fun system you enjoy to use, play games, program, perhaps even do raytracing or whatever but as a pure hobby platform and not as a main work platform. For working you have Windows, Linux, Mac already, nobody needs AmigaOS, AROS or MorphOS additionally. That does not mean that there are some hobbyists who do that but for vast majority of people. I understand that already and have never said something different. But in todays world even a niche can be much more bigger than what we now have.

Aros 68k can run on
amiga hardware
emulation
new FPGA hardware

for amiga hardware it misses needed speed optimizations, as long as not new people step in I fear that not much will change
Emulation is working good
For new FPGA hardware there is a good chance that it will be adapted

BTW I think that is one of the main problems of "NG" because people mostly think about how they can get the same features as the "big" platforms but not how they can be really and feelable different and I think only difference makes it possible to "sale" something.

Much depends now on the involvement of devs and users how development will go on.
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Re: Any plans to increased the AmigaNG software?
« Reply #90 on: October 24, 2014, 01:51:48 AM »
@OlafS3

Despite that is undeniable all amiga communities - NG and 68k - need new blood, both as userbase and developers: and about this the actual scene does not seem very friendly in this context either for the obsolete or convoluted tools or for the way to progran different from the ones used actually or even and mainly for the attitude against change and estabilished hierarchies that seems to linger especially in the main community portals like this - and BTW sometimes not even AROS is immune to this, i stil remember Rob Norris...
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Re: Any plans to increased the AmigaNG software?
« Reply #91 on: October 24, 2014, 06:18:16 AM »
How well does DOpus 5.90+ work on AROS/m68k? I would very much prefer that as OS for FPGA systems :)
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Re: Any plans to increased the AmigaNG software?
« Reply #92 on: October 24, 2014, 06:21:56 AM »
What DPaint did so brilliantly was animation, in time I hope to have a pretty dedicate FPGA "super AGA" setup (lots of chipram, like FPGAArcade can do) for DPaint, so I can animate like I used to, only faster, and maybe higher resolutions :)
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Re: Any plans to increased the AmigaNG software?
« Reply #93 on: October 24, 2014, 07:55:17 AM »
I think that porting programs to any Amiga-like system that can support the program i question would be the right strategy to go. We have lost so much by all the infighting and bickering. It's time to try a new strategy: co-operation!
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Any plans to increased the AmigaNG software?
« Reply #94 on: October 24, 2014, 09:08:19 AM »
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How well does DOpus 5.90+ work on AROS/m68k? I would very much prefer that as OS for FPGA systems :)

Yes it is. I use it on Aros Vision as desktop replacement

Both the old Magellan and the new version work
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Any plans to increased the AmigaNG software?
« Reply #95 on: October 24, 2014, 09:12:01 AM »
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I think that porting programs to any Amiga-like system that can support the program i question would be the right strategy to go. We have lost so much by all the infighting and bickering. It's time to try a new strategy: co-operation!

Unfortunately the OS devs seem not very interested in it. One solution would be to have modern class libraries that hide the differences. That would also make it easier for outsiders to start programming. I am a pascal fan so Free Pascal would be first choice for me there :). I hope I can do more in the near future there (besides optimizing Aros Vision and adding online documentations for it). The only problem is that the newest version of Free Pascal is not available for all platforms.
 

Offline kolla

Re: Any plans to increased the AmigaNG software?
« Reply #96 on: October 24, 2014, 09:39:48 AM »
Quote from: OlafS3;775552
Yes it is. I use it on Aros Vision as desktop replacement


Great! :)
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Re: Any plans to increased the AmigaNG software?
« Reply #97 on: October 24, 2014, 11:38:02 AM »
Open office and a decent web browser, suddenly the Amiga becomes a very useful everyday tool :-)
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Offline kamelitoTopic starter

Re: Any plans to increased the AmigaNG software?
« Reply #98 on: October 24, 2014, 01:04:03 PM »
Quote from: OlafS3;775553
Unfortunately the OS devs seem not very interested in it. One solution would be to have modern class libraries that hide the differences. That would also make it easier for outsiders to start programming. I am a pascal fan so Free Pascal would be first choice for me there :). I hope I can do more in the near future there (besides optimizing Aros Vision and adding online documentations for it). The only problem is that the newest version of Free Pascal is not available for all platforms.

If you're a Pascal fan could you theses program compile under Amiga to we could translate Z80 source code to 68k?

http://files.programmersheaven.com/ASM/68000/z80conv/

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Offline OlafS3

Re: Any plans to increased the AmigaNG software?
« Reply #99 on: October 24, 2014, 01:33:30 PM »
Quote from: kamelito;775561
If you're a Pascal fan could you theses program compile under Amiga to we could translate Z80 source code to 68k?

http://files.programmersheaven.com/ASM/68000/z80conv/

Kamelito

It does not look very complicated. I can try if Free Pascal can compile it
 

Offline Wilse

Re: Any plans to increased the AmigaNG software?
« Reply #100 on: October 24, 2014, 02:51:52 PM »
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im not sure ahi allows this.


This blog by Lyle Hazelwood from July makes for some interesting reading:

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But due to technical difficulties, I was unable to add support for monitoring inputs “Live” and unable to add support for it in the “Mixer” program. I have had to explain this dozens of times, and it was even added to the AmigaOS Wiki X1000 FAQ. Now, just one more time, I’ll detail exactly what went wrong with these features....


The rest is here:
http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=1136

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Re: Any plans to increased the AmigaNG software?
« Reply #101 on: October 24, 2014, 02:59:15 PM »
@wilse

I think Lyle is referring to missing volume control on some sound cards. They did not want to use software volume control but poke directly to some register instead and lyle found solution to that.
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