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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Hardware News => Topic started by: Coolit on September 10, 2005, 06:41:50 PM
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Elbox have updated the Dragon status page today stating that the Dragon should be on sale by the end of October.
Elbox Site:
Update (09 September 2005): Early this month our Freescale distributor informed us that the expected delivery date of the first production processor batch for us would be 27 September. If this is true, which we hope, the DRAGON 1200 boards sales will start by the end of October. In the meantime our developers work polishing software which will be bundled with DRAGONs.
Excellent news!
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Could be a nice upgrade.
Definately one to watch methinks.
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I will surely buy one that is if there comes a 4000 version.
But there were other ones right?(oliver I believe)
Or have they bundled forces?
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Super!
Now, can we se some more pictures or screenshots?
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We will stock this card as soon as it arrives.
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I'd like to see some benchmarks. I'm hopefull that this will be a good alternative to PPC/Cell, though IIRC you can use this in a system with PPC, but you CAN'T use it simultaneously with a PPC :-(.
I'd also like their damn pages to explain things more clearly. I emailed them back when they first announced and they blamed the lack of details on English not being their primary language. Well WTF? If you have English people asking questions, you sure as heck ought to make an effort to answer the questions, otherwise you lose sales. They need to
1) Address the questions
2) Get somebody who can understand English better to translate technical questions/answers.
Why work so hard on a project like this if you're going to stymie your customers on answering questions? That's no way to promote your product. A neat-sounding upgrade like this deserves better promotion.
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Hope everything works out, looks like a good investment for a second computer...
I say second caues OS4 is FINALYL shaping up to make it worth the investment...
...same goes for MorphOS too for that matter.
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HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH :lol:
*cough* I'd like to be proven otherwise though.
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@ odin
then most probably you will be.
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We will stock this card as soon as it arrives.
And the Shark as well? Will you be stocking that? ;-)
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yeah of course.. whatever man..
:roflmao:
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I wonder if Quake 3 could be ported to this sort of CPU?
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You guys could place bets... :lol:
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i don't understand all this skepticism!!!
Where Elbox has failed? Shark should be available when AOS4 will be gold . . . . is it already out? nope . . . and so?
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framiga: Exactly the same thing I was thinking.
I hope Dragon will be available soon :-)
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Well, they failed in the deadline they proposed themselves but if they depend on others suppling components I guess it's not entirely their fault. I don't understand why releasing the Dragon in the first place though. 68k is dead, long live PPC.
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>I don't understand why releasing the Dragon in the first place though.
People have been discussing Coldfire for the Amiga for quite a number of years and a few projects have even been started in the past. Elbox have responded to this interest by designing the Dragon.
There are a lot of 68k apps that require the Amiga chipsets to work that would greatly benefit from the increased speed offered by Coldfire.
The Dragon is there to do what OS4 and MorphOS can't do and what UAE can't do fast. This may be of great use to certain enthusiasts and professionals who use their Amigas for specific jobs.
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well i hope it will be out soon i would like to test it out only i have to get a new gfx for it then would be cool with ATI9700 gfx on an amiga and hey you have bigger bussspeeds now with the coldfire.It is quite possible that game ports such as quake2 would run better on the dragon than the g-rex\mediator\prop even with a ppc such as the 604 233 and a voodoo card
and hey i dont feel like i have to use either os4 or morph os i think you can still do a great deal more with the os3.9
adonay :-D
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The Dragon is there to do what OS4 and MorphOS can't do and what UAE can't do fast.
Hmm I doubt it will be faster than uae on a ~3ghz x86 with jit enabled.. especially because the coldfire doesnt even have an fpu (iirc, correct me if im wrong)..
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Hmm I doubt it will be faster than uae on a ~3ghz x86 with jit enabled.. especially because the coldfire doesnt even have an fpu (iirc, correct me if im wrong)..
Even more so with Dual Core AMD64 pricing levels are becoming affordable (http://www.buyxg.com/store/item.asp?key=CU-182-105). I look forward to the days of sub $200 for one of these dual cores.
Dammy
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1. I`d like to see it exists
2. I`d like to see it installed in an A1200 actually running AmigaOS 3.9
3. I`d like to see it deliver a higher overall speed then an 68060
If these requirements are met, we can discuss on.
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They say it will run several times faster than the fastest 060 :-o
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One thing to consider, actually two:
A. Emulation never quite feels like the real things, no matter how fast it is.
B: Under emulation you are forced to run your emu on top of some bloated exuse for an OS like Winblows, or any Linux distro running X. :)
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> They say it will run several times faster than the fastest 060
Of course the coldfire itself is several times faster then an 68060, but that is true for an old Pentium MMX 200 MHz too. Question is: will Amigasoftware run faster on it. For the Pentium MMX 200 the answer is no. For the coldfire we'll have to wait and see, though I have some strong doubts. I would call it a good piece of engeneering if it runs at all and doesn't top off the incompatibility of the 68060 more then double time.
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I see your point and would like to think Elbox wont put out a product that's the same "real life" speed or less stable than a 10+ year old product.
There should be benefits in quite a few areas, video work, CD/DVD burning, even surfing the net, but it wont be needed for old games and the like which lets be honest is probably one of the biggest pulls for the Amiga and makes you ask do we need it? I guess at this stage any development for the Amiga is great though!
Personally I’m going to wait for the Shark and get one of those as it will add so much more than the Dragon in my opinion.
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Hi,
it seems that its price would be around 500E !
A BPPC+ GREX+V3 or BVision cost about half of that...
ATi Radeon highier than 9250SE heavily use the DMA feature, which cause problems in Pegasos1 and AmigaONE.
The ColdFire is close to a 68010 with a DSP with no FPU.
It will be less compatible than a normal 040/060, but faster for "system friendly apps".
But in this case, it might be faster to use a BPPC with MOS or OS4. And if you use a Bvision, you can keep your Commodore desktop case.
Wait and See !
Colfire@266 SHOULD give UP TO 410 Mips
PPC603e+@240 give around 300 Mips...
68060@50 give around 66 Mips...
68000@7.14 give around 0.98 Mips :lol:
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The ColdFire is close to a 68010 with a DSP with no FPU
From Freescale's site:
V4e ColdFire core with MMU, dual precision FPU and EMAC
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One year is past!
Still no fire from Dragon ...
and no news from september about enything..