Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators

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BTW - I have not found a way to permanently disable the "FPU", apart from going back to core 2.5 - the VControl can only turn it off till next reboot (or to be more... hohum... accurate, next crash).

Then the FPU is not your problem, runs 100% stable here.
I can use my Amiga for hours and hours playing all kind of FPU stuff and it doesn't crash/reboot etc.

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Maybe everyone should boycott buying vampires if Apollo development is slave labour?

Just because something doesn't cost, doesn't make it free. For example.

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/31/tech/web/gmail-privacy-problems/index.html

I assume Apollo developers think they will make money out of it eventually.

Yeah where in it for the money.... LOL!!!!

Last time i checked we all did it because we like Amiga and wanted to bring something new and fresh for Amiga fans by Amiga fans.

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:huh:
As a developer, I really feel unwell to see something like this...  so there is no room for legit complains? no Bug reports, no feedback at  all...

Every "real" developer is very happy about error/bug  reports, especially when the user searched for a simple reproduction way  and it is  reproducible. At least me, but maybe I'm from yesterday, today you are only allowed to cheer!

Just my 2 cent.

We where very happy with your bug report on MUI Mapparium, and made corrections.
So please test software make us aware of bugs, it helps refining the FPU.

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Maybe this topic should be renamed to: As The world Turns

/me pops out the popcorn for another episode!

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Yes, there are two aspects here - there is the technical aspect, and that is all fun and interesting - but then there is the user experience. My examples above are super simple, they demonstrate that Jon "most user" Doe on a Vampire system will face strange formatting issues when he sets up a simple spreadsheet for his shopping list. On the other hand he can instead render a teapot with LightWave (which, if you had suggested doing that on Amiga one year ago now, you would be labeled insane by the Apollo Team following).

Yes Kolla we know...., now please can you quit this childish bashing ?
This is getting so tiresome you derailing/hijacking almost every vampire thread and all that ever comes out of you is pure negativity.

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Not pure, Just 99.999999999998603 % negative, for some strange reason .

Your rounding seems to be incorrect, you need a decent FPU. :lol:

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The question is not "whether you have to", but "who is distributing software that infringes copyrights".

Lets put the discussion in another way (it's a valid point nevertheless by Thomas).
I also posted this idea on EAB and i hope this gets something going.

OS3.9 BB2 is now very old (released in 2002).
Maybe a new OS3.x version can be created that has all/most goodies inside that now can be found in coffin.
This together with the new upcoming KS ROM's from Hyperion would be a very nice package.
And maybe some deals could be made for example with the author from Roadshow to include a demo version and maybe some other nice software packages/contributions.

Specially with the Vampire cards selling like hotcakes and after the release of V4 and hopefully V1200 the sales of vampire cards will only get more.
In other words there is nice business opportunity here for all.

Like i said before, i did create my own beyond 3.9 BB2 install from official and legal software (i always buy my Amiga software legit to support the devs) but it was a whole lot of work, took me months to get on the level where it is now.
Most users do not want to go down that road and just want to get up and go fast, Coffin offers this.
Now the question is can there be a legitimate way to offer users the same as with coffin/Apollo OS whatever.
For starters i would be very happy to pay for such a product saves me a ton of work!

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3.1.4 is supposed to become that, or at least, the "core of such a system" in the sense that includes the necessary core components that allow extension by third parties to their likings. The problem is that 3.9 consisted of various third party contributions that are out of reach. 3.1.4 will not contain any third party contributions, just the Os core.

So, for example, there are sufficient rights to include newer versions of workbench, icon, setpatch, FFS and a lot of other stuff, but Reaction is a H&P inhouse development H&P holds rights on, and for that reason, it cannot be included. So there is a lot of work going on backporting or extending 3.1 components to work without such contributions to the Os.

Doing it right is of course a lot more painful than just stealing what you want... Yes, you can still buy 3.9, so please no arguments in this direction. It is an accessible product.

Thomas,

What i mean is can these rights be transferred, would H&P let those go, it's not part of their core business anymore, and i cannot imagine it generates a substantial part of their income.
In short, if talked to H&P would they transfer those copyrights and the sources for a symbolic amount of money.
So we can get out of this limbo and would save guys like you a whole lot of work.

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How is Apollo Team doing in this regard? Registered entity that is selling properly tested and approved products for the end user (most users) market? Or are the Vampire cards sold as "developer boards" to "developers"?

The boards where CE certified quite some time ago already.

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Anyone can slap a CE marking on their product - it is a claim by manufacturer, not an approval by any official.
It is not by any means a certification.

By marking the Vampire with CE, the manufacturer takes all responsibilities in case any of the required standards are not met though, so the "Vampire Team" better know what they are doing... if someone actually tests the cards for compliance, and find that they do not meet the requirements, manufacturer and resellers are the ones with all responsibility, or in other words, deep poop.

It's not a slapped on CE marking, it's all done official well over a year ago.