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Offline psxphill

Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2018, 11:27:59 AM »
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Personally, I'd like an FPGA m68k core that looks like an m68040 with an m68040 MMU that has a superset of all m68k instructions, particularly 64 bit instructions that are on the '040 but not '060, and all the FPU instructions that are on the m68881 and '882 but not on the '040 FPU. I'd like everything to Just Work™ without wondering. Something like this could work on Macs, Ataris, and NeXTs, too, if it was made to fit in an '040 socket.


What if software is expecting things that were removed from an 040 to also be removed on the FPGA 040? That violates your "everything to Just Work™".

If you don't think there is any software out there (and there may not be) then I can create some for you.
 

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Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2018, 02:14:19 PM »
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The "one product" approach is what apollo team is working for, and you see how that goes, lol


Yes, it's going quite well.  They've sold several thousand units with several thousand more orders waiting to be filled.  The last time any vendor was selling Amigas in those numbers was in the 1990's.
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Offline psxphill

Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2018, 03:28:12 PM »
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The last time any vendor was selling Amigas in those numbers was in the 1990's.

That is an incredibly low bar.

Like: I can sing better than Elvis (because Elvis is dead).

Hopefully Ultimate 64 is going to be on sale soon, the first batch is going to be 500 units. The c64 might start outselling the amiga.
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Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2018, 04:00:34 PM »
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That is an incredibly low bar.

Like: I can sing better than Elvis (because Elvis is dead).

Um, it's more like "nobody sang better than me since Elvis was still alive, no?
 

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Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2018, 04:37:07 PM »
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Um, it's more like "nobody sang better than me since Elvis was still alive, no?


No, its still "I sing better than Elvis", but its also "...ever".

And that's a risky statement.

Certainly, Vampire has some advantages over other FPGA platforms.
My biggest problem with most of the competition is that it offers me little over the Altera DE1 I already own (which can run a Minimig core).

But there are a few areas where I'd rather have a legacy '040 or '060 system.
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Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2018, 05:07:05 PM »
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Um, it's more like "nobody sang better than me since Elvis was still alive, no?

No, because other people make computers. Nobody has been selling Amiga's since the 1990's because they were dead, like Elvis. Unless you include AmigaNG, who are an Amiga impersonator. It's an incorrect comparison though as Vampire isn't an Amiga, it's an accelerator. I'm not sure that vampire has sold more accelerators than anyone else since the 1990's though.

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No, its still "I sing better than Elvis", but its also "...ever".

And that's a risky statement.

Well vampire isn't performing better than everyone else ...ever

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My biggest problem with most of the competition is that it offers me little over the Altera DE1 I already own (which can run a Minimig core).

I personally like the ultimate 64, mega 65 & spectrum next more. Those dev boards are ok, but there is something about having a computer in a case with a keyboard.

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But there are a few areas where I'd rather have a legacy '040 or '060 system.

Unfortunately that is a software issue caused by the person controlling the software. Unless you mean a real 040/060 silicon, which would probably end up more expensive.

Obviously the vampire hardware has benefits & the v4 is going to be even better. Time to take another mortgage out....
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Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2018, 06:05:02 PM »
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Well vampire isn't performing better than everyone else ...ever

Exactly. But that can change/evolve.

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I personally like the ultimate 64, mega 65 & spectrum next more. Those dev boards are ok, but there is something about having a computer in a case with a keyboard.


Not an issue for me.
In fact, everything I've ever had with a case has rarely been closed up for long (I'm always tinkering).
I rather like the exposed hardware.

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Unfortunately that is a software issue caused by the person controlling the software. Unless you mean a real 040/060 silicon, which would probably end up more expensive.

Obviously the vampire hardware has benefits & the v4 is going to be even better. Time to take another mortgage out....

Yep, unfortunate, BUT Gunnar's not completely impossible to deal with.
He's no more eccentric than any other Amigan (slim praise I know).

But right now, with good X64 emulation, I'm not sure I need a mid-point between my current FPGA hardware and something more powerful I already own.

Anyway, no way to predict the future, but I sure things will sort themselves out.
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Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2018, 06:32:14 PM »
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I personally like the ultimate 64, mega 65 & spectrum next more. Those dev boards are ok, but there is something about having a computer in a case with a keyboard.


Right!  I have expressed interest for the Ultimate-64 and hopefully I'll be in the 1st batch.  Can't wait for the Mega65 either!
 

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Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2018, 11:48:12 PM »
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Right!  I have expressed interest for the Ultimate-64 and hopefully I'll be in the 1st batch.

Pre-orders are closed for ultimate 64 now, ultimate64.com
 

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Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2018, 12:43:15 AM »
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Pre-orders are closed for ultimate 64 now, ultimate64.com


Right.  I requested to be on the pre-order list early on.  We'll see.
 

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Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2018, 05:18:02 AM »
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No, because other people make computers. Nobody has been selling Amiga's since the 1990's because they were dead, like Elvis.


Well, he wrote "units", not " Amigas". But yes, I noticed other computers have been produced since 1994. So I guess it's more like "nobody has sung 'Love Me Tender' better since Elvis's death"?
 

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Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2018, 07:15:23 AM »
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Well, he wrote "units", not " Amigas". But yes, I noticed other computers have been produced since 1994. So I guess it's more like "nobody has sung 'Love Me Tender' better since Elvis's death"?

That analogy fails on multiple grounds.

1. You're suggesting it's the same product, so rather than "Love Me Tender" it's any song.

2. The vampire analogy is about units sold, not whether they are better. I know I mentioned better, but you're correcting my analogy.

3. Referring to love me tender suggests you're talking about one product, it would be more correct to include all songs.

4. In the vampire analogy it's specifically including the time after commodore died.

Elvis supposedly still sells 10 million records a year. It would be like saying that if you sell more then you are automatically a better singer, even if it's one of those terrible charity records.

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Right.  I requested to be on the pre-order list early on.  We'll see.

Gideon hasn't always paid much attention to that, I managed to get a 1541u2 when they first came out and I was on the bottom of the list and others higher up the list missed out. I noticed the web site was down for maintenance and by the next day then not only had it moved but there was news that a small batch of boards were being shipped next month and the pre-order list was full.

It might be that these aren't what you'd consider the first batch. Gideon however is referring to the rest of the first 500 boards as being the second batch & I think it's more likely that you'll be getting one of those.
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Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2018, 12:38:49 PM »
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Gideon hasn't always paid much attention to that, I managed to get a 1541u2 when they first came out and I was on the bottom of the list and others higher up the list missed out. I noticed the web site was down for maintenance and by the next day then not only had it moved but there was news that a small batch of boards were being shipped next month and the pre-order list was full.

It might be that these aren't what you'd consider the first batch. Gideon however is referring to the rest of the first 500 boards as being the second batch & I think it's more likely that you'll be getting one of those.


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Offline kolla

Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2018, 02:40:41 PM »
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But is it any worse than when the Amiga 1200/3000/4000s were released with new chipsets, processors and kickstarts?  No, and I'd say compatibility is actually better and getting better all the time.

No surprise, but I would say it is a heck lot worse now - simply because back there were actually _DEVELOPERS_ around, commercial, professional developers. M68K was still a commercially viable architecture, used not by just Amiga, but many parties. And the compatibility issues were documented and known.

With Apollo Core, they are a moving target and largely undocumented. The entire Apollo Core architecture is largely undocumented.
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Offline kolla

Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2018, 02:43:52 PM »
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Yes, it's going quite well.  They've sold several thousand units with several thousand more orders waiting to be filled.  The last time any vendor was selling Amigas in those numbers was in the 1990's.


I am not talking about sales, I am talking about how it _works_.

What you are describing is a potential support problem in the future, with thousands of unhappy users. Well, their problem.
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Re: FPGA Amiga
« Reply #29 from previous page: January 05, 2018, 03:37:20 PM »
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I am not talking about sales, I am talking about how it _works_.

What you are describing is a potential support problem in the future, with thousands of unhappy users. Well, their problem.


Hahaha, you seem to be multiplying yourself a thousand times, you and the other other bitter Vampire user seem to be only haters around. If the product is crap the sale numbers would show that. 99% of the users seem to be very happy about the power they can give to their a500 and a600 with a relatively cheap Vampire card. It simply doesnt have competition, its the best thing around for a500 and a600... since the introduction of the mentioned machines. The fastest you could get was 030 and those cards are very rare and old now. Comparing 20 years old 030 card with a brand new and developing 080 is just silly. Apollo team has proven they can deliver, we all would like to see a faster pace, but its developing at a acceptable speed for a small team. You seem to be hating the whole team coz they laugh at you on their forum and dont be willing to listen at any of your silly suggestions... Keep on hating, they still laugh at you...
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