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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2002, 01:33:14 AM »
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Did look at your avatar, it's copyrighted material. Thief....


Then please feel free to email the following and report me, while you are at it ask them where the hell are the T shirts and peoples coupons,

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2002, 01:37:11 AM »
" Seriously, do you *really* think that OS4 would run
(technically) on any other mainboard (besides the
AmigaOne) if there was not such a dongle? And why
are the versions for BlizzPPC or CybPPC not
dongled? "

Well it's not like there's a lot of PPC hardware to choose from, so i'm not too sure off what it would run on and what it wouldn't run on.

Aren't they "dongled"...? I guess there could be more ways to achieve that.
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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2002, 01:45:50 AM »
"Then please feel free to email the following and report me, while you are at it ask them where the hell are the T shirts and peoples coupons,"

Why the #### should I do that...? It was you who started talking about thiefes and your avatar.

I just pointed out that your avatar is copyrighted material that you have no right to use. I guess Wayne will notice sooner or later.

Anyway I have no intentions about contacting Amiga regarding any t-shirts or coupons, simply because I didn't buy any.
If you did I suggest you contact them yourselves instead of bitching about it here.
You should offcourse feel free  to post your answer here as I am sure you are not the only unsatisfied customer they have.
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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2002, 01:48:58 AM »
Let#s make a few "what ifs":

What if Genesi would get a licence ?

The wouldn't be able to sell one single extra board,  as OS4 is not ready to be bundled.

The might even sell less, since some people might wait for the dongled version.

They would give differnet (hostile) companies some control over their HW.
They would have no guarantee that future products will get a licence.

Not a good idea for them.

What if OS4 would still be promised for "any suitable HW" ?

A lot of users might buy the Pegasos and use MorphOS until OS is finished.
These users might get used to it, and selling them another OS might proove
difficult when they are allready satisfied with the one they got "free".
The number of sold A1s would be lower and since it is the only board with an
"AmigOne-the-name-licence"  AInc income would be dramaticly reduced.
(very low fees on OS4, HW-licence "free").

So it is the interest of atleast AInc and Eyetech that there are no other licences,
and it might even suit Hyperion, while Genesi have no reason to sign such a
licence.

Copy-protection with a shrink-wrapped USB-dongle would be just as good
regardless if it comes with the HW or the OS.

Also: The A1-SE had an licence when it only existed in the form of MAIs eval-board,
and the XE even before it actually existed.

Funny kind of quality-control  :-P

The Pegasos is on sale, the HW is no secret, same goes for the OF.
It is AInc's/Hyperion's decision if the want to reach that market or not.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2002, 01:49:58 AM »
>Well it's not like there's a lot of PPC hardware to
>choose from

Well the mainproblem for them is that they failed to
deliver an own board. So they had to select a third
party board. But because of this they can not include
OS4 in the price of the hardware. That makes them
very expensive and reduces their market chances
dramatically. They are 80EUR more expensive than a
company that delivers the same board without "the
name" and dongle (even 160EUR more expensive if
you also count OS4) and around 110/190EUR more
expensive than the Pegasos incl. at least two
operating systems. It's very unlikely that for
example a Linux user will chose an AmigaOne over
an other PPC mainboard. And that's the dilemma
they're in. Their only advantage is that they have not
really a high risk (at least Eyetech) as they just buy
the boards and earn a few US$ when reselling them
(although warranty could cause a problem). The risk
of Hyperion is a bit higher, however only 4(?) of the
OS4 members are actually employeed by Hyperion
so they don't have to pay high wages for a big team.
If something doesn't work out for them they just put
the project on hold/low priority and do contract work
(BIOS, Linux, Mac ports etc).
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2002, 02:01:41 AM »
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I just pointed out that your avatar is copyrighted material that you have no right to use. I guess Wayne will notice sooner or later.


Yes Wayne should remove 100s of copyrighted images/avatars from this site unless you are trying to state an image from Amiga.com is the only copyrighted image which should be removed,
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2002, 02:10:42 AM »
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by Paul_Gadd on 2002/12/31 2:33:14

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Did look at your avatar, it's copyrighted material. Thief....
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Then please feel free to email the following and report me, while you are at it ask them where the hell are the T shirts and peoples coupons,

bill@amiga.com
fleecy@amiga.com
randy@amiga.com
vince@amiga.com
gary@amiga.com
dean@amiga.com
gordon@amiga.com
tarah@amiga.com


@Paul_Gadd

I don't see anything wrong in using your avatar ... didn't You/we buy it ;-)
Best regards,
Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]...
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2002, 02:17:00 AM »
@hnl_dk

LOL, the only time the amiga users will see a coupon is if they print out and cut that picture out and put it in a nice silver frame  :-D  :-D .
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2002, 02:35:59 AM »
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Yes Wayne should remove 100s of copyrighted images/avatars from this site unless you are trying to state an image from Amiga.com is the only copyrighted image which should be removed,


You where talking about your avatar and about theft, it was simply too tempting to comment that "your" avatar is copyrighted and your use of it is theft.

Guess I should have placed a smiley (or 10) for you to see that I don't have any intentions of reporting anything, to any Amiga employees.

My mention of Wayne was that he as a webmaster probably know how annoying it is to see your gfx be stolen and used on anti/fan sites and that sort of thing.

 I am quite sure that Wayne know that your avatar is copyrighted and where it's from, unlike the 100's of other avatars in here that may be stolen from other sites Wayne doesn't know of.

I was not suggesting that Wayne checked every avatar in here if thats what you thought, neither did I set up special rules for Amiga Inc.

EOD from here, have a happy new year :-)
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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2002, 02:43:58 AM »
Before I even go on I must say here that this post has nothing to do with pegasos. It's a nice piece of HW but even if i had the money i wouldn't buy it. This settled...

Alan's speech at woase: he was talking about how the whole deal couldn't have been made between him and fleecy if there were more licensees. About how the end cost would actually rise etc... Go listen to it. Now I don't really blame eyetech for this it's a small market afterall but if there's one thing that really brings prices down it's competition and not bussines' goodwill. It worked for PCs, don't see why it wouldn't work here.

I mean this was weird from beginning actually. Amiga Inc. says 'We'll do software alone' but immidiately gives eyetech the license for the name Amiga (amigaone)? I thought we would have no 'amigas' anymore? Afterall OS is all that's left of amiga now. Now we also have basically identical boards out there with the exception of 'amigaone' being more expensive and it's twin teron not running amigaos although it could. Market lost IMO.

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2002, 02:56:14 AM »
Eyetech and special treatment? Not that it proves anything, but this and maybe this makes an interesting reading.

Especially these two quotes:

"The AmigaOne process involves close co-operation between Amiga and our partners' hardware groups, the running of the AmigaDE on the hardware, and a thorough quality certification of the final product. Only then can the product be called an AmigaOne."

and this:

"he first zico compliant device, the Eyetech AmigaOne - the first, new Amiga certified hardware in over five years"

Getting a certification means the certification of the final product... Now, the statement Eyetech AmigaONE is the first _certified_ hardware in over five years is dated back to 12 April 2001.

Not that they shouldn't do that, or it's forbidden. I even go further, I have absolutely no objection against it, as Eyetech is their only partner (we can suppress Elbox IMO). I only used to mention "interesting business practice". Oh yes, for the nitpickers, all the above is my opinion, and only the statement "I don't know if Eyetech have gotten special treatment by Amiga Inc, but you should feel free to prove it." inspired it.

It's all acceptable IMO, just it's presentation bothers me (acting like if it were something open), and the zealots... Neither AInc nor Eyetech has the resources not to be affected by company interests, yet they chosen to communicate it the way they did. Sorry for disturbing and don't take me serious :-)
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2002, 03:07:38 AM »
I signed the petition aswell..and I think others who care about amiga and its future should also... I doubt it will do much good though... since their not budgeing on the idea of keeping OS4 on one board it seems....
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2002, 03:13:02 AM »
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Why the #### should I do that...? It was you who started talking about thiefes and your avatar


so taking money and not paying up is the same as putting a copyrighted image on your web forum avatar?...
I respect your intelligence and opinon about as much as I do AI right now...
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2002, 03:14:52 AM »
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neofree wrote:
Compaq (now HP), Dell, Gateway, etc are some of the larger examples of successful clones.  IBM today is still the leader, but I don't think they always were in the time of their own PC.


HP and Dell both outsell IBM in computer units worldwide.
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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2002, 03:18:55 AM »
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Skyraker wrote:

The reason AI doesn't see it has to be because they needed someone to develop the board (and in fairness to eyetech it was developed), with a view to them getting a 100% market share for a good period of time.. (how long is a piece of string.


Then lets be real fair, and realize Eyetech didnt develop the board, dont manufacture it and just a distribute it for MAI.   The Eyetech magic in the board is called a DONGLE.   Its not rocket science, I know rocket science and this definitely aint it.
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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #44 from previous page: December 31, 2002, 03:24:53 AM »
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Troels_E wrote:

I really don't see why people can't understand that Hyperion have to take every step possible against piracy. Our userbase is VERY small and they have to ensure a certain revenue.


Understand, the dongle is not there to guarantee software sales, the dongle is there to guarantee hardware sales to Eyetech.  The dongle will be broken in a day, two days worst case.   Amiga Inc has encouraged piracy of their new OS by locking it to a hardware platform that has an Eyetech premium on it.   We could have the OS running on all the mac models, (and we will it just will be done as a pirate copy), instead we have a single source motherboard from our sole distributer as our last great hope.
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