Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?

[Lord Aga]

I have a feeling that ACA1240 is quite plausible

[Lord Aga]

Maybe with some modern-type, active cooling...

[Lord Aga]

btw: 2 teams of ppl have acquired numbers of those 060s and they really can go 100Mhz and they are real 060s.  Some have FPU some don't.  I think only the nonFPU chips can reach 90Mhz but I can't remember right now.

Yup. It's Mc68060fe133.
Kinda weird looking, and lacking MMU (FPU?), but legit, and capable of 100+ MHz clocks.

[Lord Aga]

Nope, sent an inquiry to Freescale about the part number.

Return message stated the following:
"I can confirm that MC68060FE133 is not a valid Freescale part number".

Who are you going to believe, the company that designed the 68K series or some Chinese vendors?

These are probably relabeled 75MHz MC68EC060s (which lack an FPU).
That chip can be successfully overclocked to 90 or 100MHz.

But that does not alter the fact that the fastest 68060 ever produced was only rated for 75MHz.

I know Freescale denied any connection to these FE CPUs. But...
This is how an FE CPU looks like:



Can you find a pic of the 75MHz MC68EC060 ?
Do they look the same ? If not, then they are not relabeled CPUs.
Copies maybe. Probably. But if they work who cares ? If Freescale doesn't want to push 060s any further I salute the one who does. Hell, give us 200MHz 060 copies in even smaller production process.

[Lord Aga]

All three variants of the 68060 (standard, LC, and EC) were offered in that form (its called a CQFP) and were all pin compatible.

BGA variants have pretty much replaced this design.

And, of course, PGA is still offered for those that prefer socketed processors.

I don't understand your point.

There is no point I was really asking because I don't know anything about the latest versions of 060s. Thanx for the info

So they are most probably relabeled chips. Or copies. But if they work well who cares. Maybe someone can "persuade" the Chinese to try and make a new version on smaller process.

[Lord Aga]

Told ya FEs were good stuff
They may lack MMU and/or FPU, but they are still blazing fast for such a price.
I think the FE accelerator is bound to happen sooner than later. Someone will always pick up a torch.

[Lord Aga]

Furthermore, it's not a Blizzard 1240 but a Blizzard 1260 with a socketed 40MHz 68040 (didn't even know those existed.

Sounds really weird.
Does he have an explanation for how that happened?

I think he may have been walking around with a CPU-less card, like many of us often do, then tripped, and fell right onto a 040 CPU. I can't see it happening any other way

[Lord Aga]

A bunch of Frenchmen reported him for what they assumed would be moonlighting, so he quit.

WTF ?!? What does this mean ?
How is helping people who ask for help with electronics illegal ?

[Lord Aga]

Some people just don't take kindly to people accepting donations for their work (ironically, the same people seldom oppose to illegal immigration, even though that's a far bigger issue).

It very much sucks.

But, but, butbutbut...
I don't know what to say. I'm stumped really.
I'd like to meet those guys who reported him. In a dark alley...

[Lord Aga]

Great.. a view.. I'm looking for evidence here. If they do work where are all of the posts showing them off?

There are posts and pics and videos proving that they do work. NatAmi's softcore CPU was never completed so all tests were done with 060 (regular and FE) CPU daughterboards.

There is no evidence there either... more he said she said. No one has posted "They work, they clock up to xyz, the mask revision according the the register in the chip is...".

Yes there is. Team members posted about their test boards working at 100+ MHz. Not 133, but they believed it could be achieved with some tweaking and better cooling.

And we're back to "my mate Dave down the pub said they work, so they must work".

You are pretty harsh on people for allegedly talking about something they haven't tried, or have very little info about, but you seem to be doing exactly the same thing. Many of us followed the NatAmi forum daily, so I can pretty much say that we know more on this matter then you do. There is no need for such an offensive attitude here.

So... say hello to your mate Dave down the pub who told you that they didn't work, and inform him that they do work.

EDIT:
In the meantime AJC explained pretty much the same thing.

[Lord Aga]

Please link them then..

Sure, knock yourself out:
http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=0
Tons of valuable technical data and knowledge. Not just the 68060FE stuff.

Sigh, you followed some forums.. great.

Yeah, and you followed what... exactly which proves that those CPUs don't work ? How many of those 68060FE133s have you tested, or seen someone test to prove faulty ?
We were on the forum day and night following that really great engineering work. Thomas Hirsch said that they worked and that they passed the tests (without MMU and FPU but still). NAe60F board has been seen in action and we have seen it running games and benches. Are you saying Thomas and the rest of the team are liars ? That NatAmi project was just an elaborate scheme going on for years just to fool the people into thinking how FE CPUs are ok when in real life they are not ? Well... if that was the case then they sure fooled me. Hats off to them.

 These chips very well may have "worked". But as I said.. I have 0.8mm pitch AE package 68SEC000s that don't exist that apparently work too.. would you ship a product based on these parts?

To the US military ? Probably not. To a small niche enthusiast segment ? If they work well and are tested, why not. Who cares about labels ?

The fact that none of you even brought up the fact that Motorola mentions CQFP parts in their documentation when they apparently don't exist surprises me to be honest. I would have thought you would have mentioned it right away..

What surprises me is that you believe that Motorola's actions through the history are so flawless that it is utterly impossible for some of their CPUs to slide out of the "official" charts. If anything, Motorola has a history of cock-ups (to counter the list of brilliant stuff I guess) and illogical moves. So why not just go with the flow ?