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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2012, 02:36:45 PM »
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Yup. It's Mc68060fe133.
Kinda weird looking, and lacking MMU (FPU?), but legit, and capable of 100+ MHz clocks.

Nope, sent an inquiry to Freescale about the part number.

Return message stated the following:
"I can confirm that MC68060FE133 is not a valid Freescale part number".

Who are you going to believe, the company that designed the 68K series or some Chinese vendors?

These are probably relabeled 75MHz MC68EC060s (which lack an FPU).
That chip can be successfully overclocked to 90 or 100MHz.

But that does not alter the fact that the fastest 68060 ever produced was only rated for 75MHz.
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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2012, 02:57:36 PM »
There is a 3.3V variant of the 040 that should run a lot cooler, but I don't know what it might be missing functionality wise.
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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2012, 03:11:14 PM »
Why not just make an interface with an cabel to the PC and let the PC emulate a 060 for maximum speed?
 

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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2012, 04:21:55 PM »
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Nope, sent an inquiry to Freescale about the part number.

Return message stated the following:
"I can confirm that MC68060FE133 is not a valid Freescale part number".

Who are you going to believe, the company that designed the 68K series or some Chinese vendors?


Freescale did not design the 680x0 series.
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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2012, 04:23:15 PM »
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I would be interested on an ACA 060 if it included some SATA ports with DMA, PIO isn't fun


I agree with u that PIO sux.
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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2012, 04:24:02 PM »
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Freescale did not design the 680x0 series.

 
Why not make an accelerator for A1200 using FPGA instead? No need to buy those expensive and hard to find original 68K CPU. This way we can assign any speed we want, set any RAM we want on the FPG accelerator and put any feature we want: SCSI port, etc and still be cheaper than the original Blizzard or Apollo or even may be cheaper than ACA itself?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2012, 04:41:34 PM »
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what is it that you ppl want to do on an amiga w/ AmigaOS with a 68060 that you can't do with an o'clocked 030 w/128+ megs ram?

just curious.

Realtime audio codecs.

Trying to play mp3s on 030 is not fun.

Compiling giant sources.

Calculating giant animations.

Full screen rotation.

Hispeed lha.

Webbrowsing at a decent speed.

Hispeed .jpg viewing.

030 has no built-in FPU.  Anything requiring FPU is horrifically sloooooooooooooooooow.  The FREE FPU built into the normal 68040 is much faster than an external 68882 FPU for 68030.  The FPU in the 060 is much faster than the 040 FPU.

68060 FTW!
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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2012, 04:48:01 PM »
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There is a 3.3V variant of the 040 that should run a lot cooler, but I don't know what it might be missing functionality wise.

Good point!  I forgot about that!

The original hot 68040 was a 5v chip.

The 3.3v 68040 should be nice and cool and able to do 40Mhz.
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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2012, 04:49:06 PM »
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Good point! I forgot about that!
 
The original hot 68040 was a 5v chip.
 
The 3.3v 68040 should be nice and cool and able to do 40Mhz.

Yeah, but then I do not have an excuse to install a fan :D:D:D
 

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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2012, 04:54:13 PM »
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Freescale did not design the 680x0 series.


So out of curiosity, if not them, who did?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/02/16/motorola_renames_chip_division_freescale/
 

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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2012, 05:26:29 PM »
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Freescale did not design the 680x0 series.

Freescale for all intents and purposes is Motorola Semiconductor.
They inherited all of Motorola's IP, fabs, and stock.
And they still list several Motorola designed products on their website.
Type Motorola Semiconductor into a Goggle search and see what the first company they point to is.
 

And they deny that there has ever been a 68060 binned and marked above 75MHz.

They also say that chip number is fake.

They ought to now, the 68060 is still part of their product line.

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MC68060&fsrch=1&sr=1

The Natami team has bought into a Chinese falsehood.


Those chips ARE re-marked with a fake ID.
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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2012, 05:38:35 PM »
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The Natami team has bought into a Chinese falsehood.

Those chips ARE re-marked with a fake ID.


Maybe. :)

But if so, well everyone has bought into it since they are the same chips everyone is using these days for fast 060 cards.

As long as they work and are affordable, that is the main thing that ppl care about.
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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2012, 05:40:17 PM »
I have a bunch of '040s and '060s here just begging to go into accelerator cards.  I wish Jens would produce an ACA040 or ACA060 - even A3000/A4000 versions or models for the A2000 as well.  I think there are lots of people that currently running older accelerator cards that would gladly move their existing CPUs and FPUs over to newer, more efficient boards.  You all have seen what an '030 can do with a decent (okay to be fair - 'modern') RAM interface.  Let's see a socketed '040 and/or '060 board, 256MB of RAM soldered on to start Jens!
 

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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2012, 05:44:48 PM »
In today's world, RAM is so cheap.  I don't see the point of making any CPU card with less than 1GB of RAM.  That is my view. :)
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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2012, 05:46:48 PM »
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Maybe. :)

But if so, well everyone has bought into it since they are the same chips everyone is using these days for fast 060 cards.

As long as they work and are affordable, that is the main thing that ppl care about.

Absolutely, they do work well at 90 or 100MHz and since they're based on some of the last '060s they run cool.

And they're available.
Where as the standard chip (in late masks) is getting hard to find.
I've been offered them for as low as $19.99

I think Peter and Thomas know designation is suspicious.
But I'm impressed with results.

Someone ought to do a math library for these chips.
The FPU on standard '60s wasn't that great anyway.
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Re: Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?
« Reply #44 from previous page: December 11, 2012, 05:51:01 PM »
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The FPU on standard '60s wasn't that great anyway.


I donno what u mean by that.  I say the 060 FPU is awesome.  Sure it has less instructions than 040 FPU but it has the most common ones and they are sooooooooooooooooooooooooo faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast.
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