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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2007, 07:19:41 PM »
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Macs are the ones to get things done these days


Yeah, for those with little or know tecnical expertise. For those of us who know a thing or 2 about the inner workings of computers and how to set them up properly, PCs do the job and they definitly have a longer lifespan and so does the software. And vintage Amigas are a great hobby for us technoids when were not working and want to have some fun with our computers. :-D
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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2007, 07:23:50 PM »
Looks like a lot of people don't know a lot about modern macs.

Our entire software engineering department just switched over to mac powerbook pros.  They run circles around our windows boxes.  We are mostly a Unix Enterprise Java shop so the macbooks are perfect.

On a 2.2ghz macbook pro running lightwave for the PC under a virtual machine (parallels) I was able to render a lightwave scene about 5 times faster than on my 3.2ghz dell desktop.  It did not beat my 3.2ghz asus gaming laptop though...although I couldn't tell much difference between the two.

All have 2GB of RAM.

Apple hardware is only generic in the sense that it is an intel processor on a standardized architecture... the hardware itself is in no way "generic".  Open a mac mini sometime and tell me where you've seen the motherboard before.  

Simply throwing out a cpu speed doesn't fully describe overall system performance.  Modern macs are not slow, and in most cases I would sacrifice some speed for stability any day.

Amigas were never faster than DOS/Windows PC's... they were in fact slower.. they just ran smoother and multitasked better due do a more efficient operating system.  

The situation is exactly the same with the new Macs vs the modern Windows PC.

I agree completely.  Apple is the new Amiga.  It's everything I wanted my Amiga to be in 1992.








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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2007, 07:40:39 PM »
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ummmmmm in a word no....

amiga was non generic hardware which was ahead of its time.

everything apple brings out is underpowred rubbish that just looks good and it marketed well.

Ipod not the best mp3 player by far, creative made the user interface and apple liscence it.

Iphone, bad idea wont work.  Much better alternatives already out

new macs, nice looking pcs

Nothing apple does is visionary, innovative or ahead of its time.  As I said just looks nice and marketed well


You have no idea ... *Geee* ... Won't comment the rubbish you wrote. Seems like you're one of them, "I can't afford it, so I talk bad about it." ...

They do brilliant work... And make computers that work... Windows ? Hmmm ... Did that ever work well ? ... Vista crashes as often as XP... And yes I also have an Vista PC ... It's better than the XP ... But still sucks *S* ...

8... 9... 10... Im calmed down again *LOL*
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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2007, 07:40:54 PM »
nerd fight!

funny people putting all this emotion behind a box that calculated things... at the end of the day I bet half of you don't even need computers.

 

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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2007, 07:43:12 PM »
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@neofree

what you are talking about is an OS based on another OS, cant remeber which cause never really been into macs

As most people will agree, a mac is like buying a ferrari with a ford escort engine


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Most people ? ... Quit the drugs mate... Macs a so much faster than any Windows PC ... On Linux I can't comment... Know to little about Linux ... But I do like Ubuntu...
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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2007, 07:51:35 PM »
Actually, I am aware of how fast the Mac Book Pro is. And the worst aspect of the PC is MS Windows--Vista,XP and earlier. I have a lot of accumulated knowledge of how to make things work and be secure. Like, I impose something like unix file security on the NTFS file system which, until Vista, was possible but not implemented on PCs except by certain users like the US Navy. I've never been hit by malware because unathorized executables aren't allowed to run on my system. And setting file permissions properly in NTFS is a tricky art--it is much simpler in Unix/Linux--and the average PC owner is just not going to be able to do it easily. Mac OSx does have some real security advantages over windows but the perceived advantages are exaggerated. It is the relative rarity of Macs outside the US that helps--how many russian hackers own Macs?? How many own PCs?? Still, they aren't invincible and the fact that they are expensive and owned by people in the socio-economic brackets who can afford to pay for them makes them a tempting target for malware authors. Infecting 1 Mac could be worth 10 PCs so I wouldn't be too complacent if I owned a Mac.

And using an Amiga online is probably about the safest way to surf the web--any bigtime cyber criminal malware authors out there who want to target a handful of nuts who spend way too much money on computers that are way too slow and refuse to face reality--like the Amiga is a ghost that lives but it is still, in modern computing terms, essentially dead. :-D
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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2007, 07:52:49 PM »
@TheMud
"Macs a so much faster than any Windows PC"

interesting care to provide ANY proof this is so?  Ever used a quad core?  

It's like I say people are full of opinions but don't even understand what is happening under the hood.......

subjectively some people still think the amiga is faster....

 

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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2007, 07:55:25 PM »
Talking about security...

Buy a Mac and.:

Switsch it on and have fun... Viruses ? Heehhh ? What's that... ??

Buy a PC with Windows.:

Install the PC ... Takes about 2 hours...
Go in the Internet... Upps... Infected...
All over again... Install Windows..
Buy a good Virusprotection program and Install..
Every now and then start all over...
Remember to back up your harddrives every 2 weeks...

Wait 2 weeks ? ... I ment 2 hours ...

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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2007, 07:56:58 PM »
Yes and using Windows is not the best way to get the best speed out of your PC. Try an optimized linux core for instance that doesn't have a lot of extra processes constantly running in the background to provide you with a lot of useless eye candy. And your security will be a lot better and easier too.
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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2007, 07:59:36 PM »
hey it's easy to dodge the question. how is the mac faster?  technicality?  What so good about the os?

BTW, I use mostly linux because I LIKE the way it works.....
 

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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2007, 08:00:27 PM »
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Overpriced boutique computers that wind up in landfills as soon as Apple changes their case colors - just what the world needed.


I see, I must imagine still using my 5 year old eMac as my main machine. Silly me.

It's also interesting how landfills are willing to pay hundreds of dollars for those overpriced boutique G3 ibooks on eBay.
 

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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2007, 08:01:31 PM »
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Switsch it on and have fun... Viruses ? Heehhh ? What's that... ??


Thats complacency, that's what it is. Don't cry too hard when something happens to your Mac that you weren't expecting. It's only a matter of time.
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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2007, 08:07:45 PM »
Yes I agree and I have a huge distaste for the platform religious these days. I used the Commodore-Amiga originally because it was much better than the PC and the MAC of it's day. Back when PCs had 8 or 16 color screens and no real windowing software that truly multi-tasked. The Mac of those days was a single tasking machine most of them were still black and white and a color mac II cost $10000.00 for a complete system. The Mac was so expensive because of it's proprietary hardware products (you couldn't buy a cheap laser printer, you had to have mac interface and one that had a driver, etc.) There was no such things as USB keyboards and mice, etc.

I tried really hard to "champion" the Amiga, but it failed. The Mac folks of today still sound like the Mac folks of yesterday (we are superior), even though their overall marketshare is still very small comparatively speaking. Apple sells more iPods than Macs. Now they have a multi-tasking OS and they have went to generic hardware (lets face it, if they didn't have that bios, it would be very much the same machine that HP sells). I keep hearing "we are better" even though underneath the new MacOS is Unix through and through, just an apple UI layer over it. I have access to Macs, PCs, Linux Boxes etc. I find no real advantages except the perceptions people have in their own minds. There isn't such things as custom hardware or a processor that is heads above anything else out there..

The PC has improved it multi-tasks, has more colors and a true multi-tasking OS, no they didn't steal a unix clone and repurpose to get it either (or steal NeXTSTEP).  It's still a target for spyware etc. In the last 5 years of owning a PC I haven't had any viruses or spyware get past my software that checks for this. I don't have cheap 3rd party hardware in my machine that lacks driver support or is from a sketchy company. So I don't have problems with the PC, haven't under XP or Vista (maybe it's because I don't surf porn sites, open emails with attachments etc) go to piracy sites on the web.

When I hear people say I have a PC and I have spyware I wonder how they got it. I know where most of that stuff is, and I avoid it. Maybe it's because I am in the IT industry, I don't know but between Avast! Anti-virus and Ad-aware by lavasoft (which under vista only seems to find cookies left, thanks to IE protected mode) I have no problems at all.

I would suggest to you that when I hear a person got spyware I know where it probably came from and I don't feel bad for anyone about that. My email spam blocking from my ISP is pretty good too, I never get anything coming through there either..

Either way, computers are just tools, if one does better than the other, the other will catch up, it's cyclical in nature and that's the great thing about the industry, if one person wants something on another platform it creates a demand and they end up with it there or something pretty close.

I do agree with the guy who has a Java shop at work that the Mac is closer to what he needs at work. After all it is Unix underneath and Java is more predominant on the Mac. In Windows they have .Net..

Next time you see that iPhone ad about Seafood and kalamari look up windows live search for windows mobile and you will see they have been able to do that exact functionlity for sometime in a format that fits in your actual pocket. That's a good example of a demand for functionality that people are asking for across platforms that is being delivered.

Microsoft's one works if you have an outboard GPS or one built into your phone to give you directions already knowing where you are at. Something Apple's doesn't do yet, but probably will in the near future. Again parity.

Anyone, who says Apples and Macs don't have or get viruses are wrong. There are a few of them out there, and pre-OS X the macs had just as many viruses as PCs did, it plagued them just as bad (you can check out virus updates on the Symantec Anti-virus for Mac site if you don't believe me.

If you are happy spending the overpriced money on Apple and think you are superior, well go for it and maybe you are. I am happy with my x64 vista ultimate PC, and My old beige g3 power macs, and my Amiga 1200/3000/4000/WINUAE..

Saying "my platform" is better, is just a waste of time these days because all pretty much do the same thing, and if they don't they will soon enough. Also I don't know anyone unhappy with what they can do with a computer these days. Having said that you still have to invest knowledge and time and learn about your machine. The machine won't just do that for you, no matter which one you get.

The Amiga is still amazing today because of it's ability to stay "relavent" even with the OSes of today. As far as the Apple ads go, I don't see the mac vs pc ads as trying to get the PC people to switch (in fact the character PC makes fun of people). I see this as trying to keep their current "base" of users. They attacked Vista so much in the ads they were obviously really worried about losing customers to it. They want Apple owners/users to feel smug that they are better because they bought Apple. When reality is they all are now the same hardware and just the software and UI are different but not all that different.
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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2007, 08:08:23 PM »
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Switsch it on and have fun... Viruses ? Heehhh ? What's that... ??


Thats complacency, that's what it is. Don't cry too hard when something happens to your Mac that you weren't expecting. It's only a matter of time.



Been using Mac's for 10 years and never ever had a black screen or a virus... My Windows Machines did... Eventhough they have a nice Viruscontroller...

Anyway... The Windows machine now have Ubuntu installed as a second option. Like the Desktop... It's very scratched, but fast and good...

Where to get some great software for Ubuntu Linux ? ...
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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2007, 08:08:46 PM »
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overpriced boutique G3 ibooks on eBay


Actually could have had one of those for a song on Ebay recently because a Mac owner got freaked out by a "kernal panic" message and just sold the whole thing as is with all the original CDs. Like, all he would have had to do would have been to insert one of them in his Ibook and reinstall the system and maybe he wouldn't even have to go that far. I guess I had better things to bid on, didn't tempt me too much. And those g3 Ibooks won't run skype but a 600mhz PIII will.
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Re: Apple is now the modern Commodore/Amiga?
« Reply #29 from previous page: June 27, 2007, 08:16:41 PM »
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Where to get some great software for Ubuntu Linux


Yeah, I keep using Windows because I have so much software for it and I know the software well and it is a lot of time and money invested. I have Suse linux on this machine as well and it came with most of the software I'll ever need--kind of like a Mac in that regard. I've only added a couple of programs but these days, I seldom boot to linux on this machine. Wine works but not well enough for me.
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