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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Kesa on January 25, 2011, 03:59:50 AM
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My question is if Commodoreusa were to use AROS instead of using a Linux distro for Workbench5 would this change your mind about their product/company?
I guess i'm hinting that maybe if enough people choose AROS we could maybe start an online petition to force them to change it (assuming everyone would buy it). If enough people were to sign it then they will have no choice.
I think maybe this idea may be irrelevant but it's better than simply causing trouble on facebook and being hostile in general towards C=usa.
For my 2 cents i think they are geniune but misguided. I mean, do we really need another AOS4.x themed Ubuntu?
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My question is if Commodoreusa were to use AROS instead of using a Linux distro for Workbench5 would this change your mind about their product/company?
I guess i'm hinting that maybe if enough people choose AROS we could maybe start an online petition to force them to change it (assuming everyone would buy it). If enough people were to sign it then they will have no choice.
I think maybe this idea may be irrelevant but it's better than simply causing trouble on facebook and being hostile in general towards C=usa.
For my 2 cents i think they are geniune but misguided. I mean, do we really need another AOS4.x themed Ubuntu?
Course not...
While AROS is fine for some it's still not a real Amiga product that's going to be of much use to the vast majority of users... ;)
The only ones causing trouble on FaceBook are CUSA themselves and the crap they are posting there, just another free marketing ploy by CUSA... :madashell:
Since when did you become a CUSA fanboy anyway... :(
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My question is if Commodoreusa were to use AROS instead of using a Linux distro for Workbench5 would this change your mind about their product/company?
It's fine to ask that just for gathering opinion.
But don't forget that Hyperion...not once but twice threatened legal action against C=USA if they did such a thing. And Leo (BigBentheAussie) has confirmed his understanding of that threat more than once.
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What kind of legal action? I am assuming they wouldn't be releasing Workbench5 unless they were legally permitted to? By legal action i am assuming you are refering to AOS4.x? IMHO i think Hyperion have no more rights over Amiga than anyone else. Hyperion is nothing more than a shell company held together by a legal agreement from Amiga inc that would never hold up in court.
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What kind of legal action? I am assuming they wouldn't be releasing Workbench5 unless they were legally permitted to? By legal action i am assuming you are refering to AOS4.x? IMHO i think Hyperion have no more rights over Amiga than anyone else. Hyperion is nothing more than a shell company held together by a legal agreement from Amiga inc that would never hold up in court.
Post #28 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=32323&forum=16&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0)
You were talking about using AROS, and that is the gist of the response from HyperionMP. Violation of settlement agreement regarding competition basically.
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OK i read that link and still think it's nonsense. How can anyone own opensource? For me AROS is the long term future of Amiga. No legal problems from Amiga Inc or Hyperion to screw it all up! Same goes for Morpthos. If Hyperion are really that arrogant to think they own/control AROS then all i can say is good riddance. Maybe C=usa could simply bypass this and rename their Amiga range Amigos?
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OK i read that link and still think it's nonsense. How can anyone own opensource? For me AROS is the long term future of Amiga. No legal problems from Amiga Inc or Hyperion to screw it all up! Same goes for Morpthos. If Hyperion are really that arrogant to think they own/control AROS then all i can say is good ridence. Maybe C=usa could simply bypass this and rename their Amiga range Amigos?
I won't argue what might happen. I'm merely trying to offer you some exact quotes from principals, so you know what they really said at the time.
In that vein, here is the most recent recap of events from Leo (BigBentheAussie), with reference to AROS and the threat:
Post #52 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33083&forum=17&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0)
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I won't argue what might happen. I'm merely trying to offer you some exact quotes from principals, so you know what they really said at the time.
In that vein, here is the most recent recap of events from Leo (BigBentheAussie), with reference to AROS and the threat:
Post #52 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33083&forum=17&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0)
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Just had the misfortune to read that post by BigBenTheAussie and without going into detail and breaking it all down (it's way too boring anyway) other than making me just about nod off, it's just more CUSA claptrap... :)
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I would prefer C=USA to use AROS over Linux on two conditions:
1 - They actually make an investment in AROS through contributing to bounties or hiring developers.
2 - THEY DON'T CALL IT WORKBENCH 5!!! (To me that's the equivalent to sticking up their middle finger at Hyperion, especially because of the "5".)
I might actually be interested in a C=USA product under those conditions, but as it is, I'm ANTI-interested (if there can be such a thing).
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It's nothing to do with Hyperion having a say in regards to AROS, but rather Amiga Inc. arent able to sell a derivitive of AmigaOS, as per the settlement. This is of course inheritted to anyone they license/sell the Amiga name to.
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I would prefer C=USA to use AROS over Linux on two conditions:
1 - They actually make an investment in AROS through contributing to bounties or hiring developers.
2 - THEY DON'T CALL IT WORKBENCH 5!!! (To me that's the equivalent to sticking up their middle finger at Hyperion, especially because of the "5".)
I might actually be interested in a C=USA product under those conditions, but as it is, I'm ANTI-interested (if there can be such a thing).
Right. I think they have just put themselves right into the middle of a war zone. IMHO they have marketed their product range all wrong. Instead of trying to use the Amiga name they should have followed Morphos' philosophy and make a fresh start. They have no legal issues with anyone. The way it should be.
I also think they should use AROS and not Linux. I think they should use Icaros or Broadway distros and name the computer after these. If someone made a Linux computer what name would you prefer? Linux or Ubuntu? I really like the name Ubuntu - it sounds better being named after a distro.
I think they have a good product but they just need to rethink their marketing plan a bit.
@bigbenaussie. You said on Amigaworld.net that it was easier to use linux than Aros. If you modify your marketing plan a bit all the problems you described would go away.
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Right. I think they have just put themselves right into the middle of a war zone. IMHO they have marketed their product range all wrong. Instead of trying to use the Amiga name they should have followed Morphos' philosophy and make a fresh start.
Good point. And when they hinted at a missing part in their acquisition of names in September, 2010, even Wolftothemoon (who has posted here) stated:
"Doubt it! Workbench would almost certainly cause problems with Hyperion"
Here's the latest doings concerning Workbench, for those who care:
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91183272&pty=OPP
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FYI you can buy pre-installed AROS pc's /right now/ and from people who are already contributing to AROS, and will continue to do so.
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FYI you can buy pre-installed AROS pc's /right now/ and from people who are already contributing to AROS, and will continue to do so.
That is a very good point.
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Really? Where? How much do they cost?
Where is the marketing campaign? Not good business sense at all :(
Maybe C=usa and these people making pre-installed Aros machines should join forces? I mean, C=usa even have a flashy website! More than what i can say for Hyperion and Amiga Inc. TBH i think the black cases are really cool. Ditch the tacky C64.
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C=usa even have a flashy website! More than what i can say for Hyperion and Amiga Inc. TBH i think the black cases are really cool. Ditch the tacky C64.
Flashy websites... Black cases are really cool... :confused:
You're easily impressed Kesa... :(
Maybe it's time I made my website flashy and buy a load of "cool" empty black cases, looks like there might be a market for them... :lol:
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iMica and aresone by clusteruk and phoenixkonsole respectively. As for business sense, I think most people are aware of the machines, although theyre more fan based projects by people who have a heavy interest in AROS than fully fledged big businesses. That said however the feedback by people who have bought them seems to be good, and they both have good reputations for after sales support. Both have also contributed a lot to AROS in general.
While I've built my own AROS machines over the years and arent really the sort of person to buy pre-assembled systems I must admit I do quite like the iMica silent machine, it looks quite nice, is tiny, and as the name suggests, is completely silent.
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Really? Where? How much do they cost?
Where is the marketing campaign? Not good business sense at all :(
Maybe C=usa and these people making pre-installed Aros machines should join forces? I mean, C=usa even have a flashy website! More than what i can say for Hyperion and Amiga Inc. TBH i think the black cases are really cool. Ditch the tacky C64.
Im on my phone right now, but search for AresOne and Imica.
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Flashy websites... Black cases are really cool... :confused:
You're easily impressed Kesa... :(
Maybe it's time I made my website flashy and buy a load of "cool" empty black cases, looks like there might be a market for them... :lol:
Maybe. But if the alternative is using the hat in your avatar i think i will stick with the plain black case thank you very much :)
As for your website you could start by adding lots of flashing lights :)
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Maybe. But if the alternative is using the hat in your avatar i think i will stick with the plain black case thank you very much :)
What d'ya mean, that hat contains more genuine Commodore stuff than anything CUSA has to offer... :lol:
(Plus I'ts handy for catching squirrels in... :))
(PS: with you being in charge of that spelling club thingy you should know that when you say "i" (meaning yourself) you should use a capital i and not a lowercase one, silly billy... ;))
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What d'ya mean, that hat contains more genuine Commodore stuff than anything CUSA has to offer... :lol:
(Plus I'ts handy for catching squirrels in... :))
*Ahem* It's not I'ts
http://www.amiga.org/forums/group.php?groupid=50
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*Ahem* It's not I'ts
http://www.amiga.org/forums/group.php?groupid=50
OOOps... Typo, It's 6:40am here and I haven't slept for two days plus me meds are wearing of and I've just farted... :)
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(PS: with you being in charge of that spelling club thingy you should know that when you say "i" (meaning yourself) you should use a capital i and not a lowercase one, silly billy... ;))
No that's English English. On Amiga.org we use Amigan English, silly billy... ;)
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OOOps... Typo, It's 6:40am here and I haven't slept for two days plus me meds are wearing of and I've just farted... :)
*Ahem* off not of
http://www.amiga.org/forums/group.php?groupid=50
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No that's English English. On Amiga.org we use Amigan English, silly billy... ;)
Well I think it's time we used Scottish instead, a much clearer and straight to the point language if you ask me (even though you didn't)... ;)
(awa n bile yer heed ya bamstick ye... :))
(anyway it should be aff and not "off" or "of"... :))
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My question is if Commodoreusa were to use AROS instead of using a Linux distro for Workbench5 would this change your mind about their product/company?
No. Commodore USA is another vapourware company similar to the famous iWin (anyone remembers?). They will produce nothing and will be forgotten in a year.
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AresOne
http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm
What even funnier is that in this thread he was considering offering the system in familiar case.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=32919&forum=28#593752
iMica
http://www.clusteruk.com/
So I think anyone who wants an x86 Aros powered computer has no excuse.
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I voted pancakes.
Grab a still known brand name, make that two, Commodore and Amiga which people who are a still nostalgic about the C=64 and Amiga platforms and have a little extra surplus cash to spend on some instant gratification.
The easiest way to do this is to get some cheap existing hardware from China and bumb the price up to make your ROI even nicer.
From what I have seen, C= USA are only interested in making money and the Commodore and Amiga name really only comes into the equation in that it will, they hope, help them make that money. I don't think they have really thought much beyond some easy money and I don't think they really think anything bad or good about the existing Commodore/Amiga scenes and users out there. Well, not initially except as potential buyers of the rebadged hardware.
If that was the case, with all the mud being flung around now, I would guess they don't have the most fondness of attitudes towards the already existing Commodore/Amiga scenes due to the animosity being sent their way by it and the negative publicity it has generated when people have called them out on some dubious styled 'advertising' and quotes.
Basically, I don't think they meant and bad towards the existing scene but I highly doubt they meant to do much for it either and are just after the money they hoped to get from the retro craze which has become popular and people wishing to relive their childhoods. I would also guess that as long as it didn't cause them to many problems, they would not have been to concerned if it did screw over the existing efforts (AmigaOS4, MorphOS and AORS) while achieving their goals and again, if it helped the existing scene as a side affect without any skin off their nose, I doubt they would have begrudged it that either. After all, it would end up helping them in the end anyway.
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Aros pancakes! :D
Seriously, though. as much as I respect Hyperion for doing an amazing job on OS 4, there is very little future for the Amiga platform if it remains closed.
We're down to a few thousand hobbyists now, and I doubt there's enough of a market left for commercial development.
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Instead of trying to use the Amiga name they should have followed Morphos' philosophy and make a fresh start.
But without the name, they don't have anything!
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But without the name, they don't have anything!
They do... they have an overpriced PC in a so called custom built case that's actually nothing more than another "off the shelf" part as Cammy recently pointed out... ;)
CUSAs Alleged Custom Built Case !!! (http://www.karmadigital.com/tf5_htpc_home_theatre_pc_case.html)
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I pretty much said my piece in the other thread, but just to reiterate:
C-USA, thus far, has billed their products as somehow being a successor to the C64 and Amiga. And no, despite BigBenAussie's protestations to the contrary, it's not just "modern tech in retro cases" - the whole of their website is designed around reminding people how cool the C64 and Amiga were and suggesting that this is somehow related.
Yet not only have they not even begun to approach that level of innovation and quality engineering, they're not even trying. The full extent of their creative efforts has been to create a reproduction C64 case for one particular model of generic x86 PC, and pick some stock cases that look sort of like the desktop Amigas for some others. It is plainly obvious that the only thing they're interested in is flogging the brand they scavenged for some extra money.
Shipping with AROS would be an interesting event, but it wouldn't change the fact that they're sticking generic x86 PCs (are they even manufacturing the innards?) in slightly custom cases and then trying to pass it off as the legitimate heir to the crown.
Back in the day Commodore brought an unprecedented combination of computing power, multimedia capabilities, and low prices into the home-computer market with the C64, then did it again with the Amiga and added a solidly-engineered OS into the bargain. C-USA has innovated nothing, and while its systems, going by the listed specs, are reasonably powerful, I sincerely doubt they'll be more powerful than the competition for less money, as both the C64 (against the Apple IIe) and the Amiga (against the Macintosh) were.
But that is, admittedly, a difficult trick to pull off these days. I wouldn't be so bothered by it if they were either A. trying at all to create something new, or B. not dressing up the status quo in Commodore drag.
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Are you joking? aros has nothing to do with amiga..just another tangent we dont need. As for C= usa, no matter what the call workbench 5 its not.They just put out screwball products and ride on the names commodore and amiga to sell products.If they both went away things would be better.
OK i read that link and still think it's nonsense. How can anyone own opensource? For me AROS is the long term future of Amiga. No legal problems from Amiga Inc or Hyperion to screw it all up! Same goes for Morpthos. If Hyperion are really that arrogant to think they own/control AROS then all i can say is good riddance. Maybe C=usa could simply bypass this and rename their Amiga range Amigos?
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First off welcome back FRANKO !!!!!! place is already jumping (yes i am a franko fan boy... bit me :D)
In regards to C-USA I don't want or need a PC made to look like an Amiga or C64. Even with Aros the only version i really want is for classic hardware (which BTW is making great strides).
Like others have said before all C-USA want to do is make a quick buck they don't really care either way what happens to us (unless ofcourse we are talking about buying their crappy PC's) and yes they are crappy PC's i wouldn't even give one to my worst users.... (and God know their a bunch of numnuts (the user's that is) kind of reminds me of the X1000 (although that at least is someone's own design) under powered, over priced and under whelming)).
My 2.2c (since the Aussie dollar is doing so well... :D)
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Let's not devote too much time to C=USA. So far, they're all just a bunch of marketing hype anyway. Only time will tell whether they release anything of any use, but I certainly don't have too much confidence in them -- so I don't really care what they say they're going to do.
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Let's not devote too much time to C=USA. So far, they're all just a bunch of marketing hype anyway. Only time will tell whether they release anything of any use, but I certainly don't have too much confidence in them -- so I don't really care what they say they're going to do.
I also decided to eat some pancakes as I consider C=USA irrelevant at this point to Amiga and AROS.
I do get a nostalgia feeling though as they seem to not understand how to do marketing with modern social media etc :-).
greets,
Staf.
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Personally I feel many of the people here are too invested in the old and not in the new.. It's 2011 here folks, the original AmigaOS died long ago. The current AmigaOS and clones may have a lot in common the way they work, etc. They provide emulation (albeit slick fast emulation) of the old hardware and software but they just aren't the original, no matter who's doing it etc.. Amiga Corp. (pre-Commodore one) was the real deal it was an American startup, way before they tried selling it to Atari and Commodore to survive.
Honestly, you folks who think powerpc's are the way to go, or any one processor including PowerPC and Intel aren't reading the right tea leaves.. When I think of an OS now I thinki of virtualization, I think of the computing cloud etc.. Thinks are way fast enough via emulation on ARM and others to emulate and run even the original OS virtually and emulate the hardware properly (no magic there). So why are we even discussing which OS etc.
The Amiga community has to get over itself once and forever here, we are arguing over something that won't startup again no matter how much money is thrown at it, at least the way it was done in the past.. Let's just be positive about whatever comes out.. Most people in the USA if I asked them what a AmigaOS 4.x or Hyperion or the Amiga was they'd point me back to wikipedia or Commodore.
Does it really matter what the company known as Commodore USA does ? You guys are fighting over OSes and hardware long since surpassed (even with the latest offerings)..
Time to be supportive of whoever is left (including Hyperion and Commodore USA). I am guessing it wont impact on any sales one bit, because many people here in the USA don't really want anything with a powerPC chip in it one bit, unless it does ARM and is mobile they don't care.. I have said this once and i'll say it again, the world is now processor agnostic as long as it's fast enough for what they want and many now want to run this on a 6-8 hour battery if not better..
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I do get a nostalgia feeling though as they seem to not understand how to do marketing with modern social media etc :-).
Really? I'm not into CUSA myself and would probably never buy from them, but they've made much more marketing ground than Hyperion/A-eon/Acube or Genesi. I've had two friends so far who have zero interest in the Commodore/Amiga but know I'm into retro stuff contact me with links to CUSA. That's never happened with regards to OS4, MOS or AROS.
CUSA is on Facebook, don't they also have a Twitter account? Hyperion doesn't do this.
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Honestly, you folks who think powerpc's are the way to go, or any one processor including PowerPC and Intel aren't reading the right tea leaves.. When I think of an OS now I thinki of virtualization, I think of the computing cloud etc..
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Time to be supportive of whoever is left (including Hyperion and Commodore USA). I am guessing it wont impact on any sales one bit, because many people here in the USA don't really want anything with a powerPC chip in it one bit, unless it does ARM and is mobile they don't care.. I have said this once and i'll say it again, the world is now processor agnostic as long as it's fast enough for what they want and many now want to run this on a 6-8 hour battery if not better..
Only if you think the Amiga has to be a Serious Market Competitor, as rather too many people in the community do. I don't see why the bar for new-Amiga success has to be set at "as powerful as modern commodity hardware with at least as much market share as the Mac." Why couldn't we be happy with a new Amiga system that's simply more advanced than the old hardware we've been maintaining and upgrading but preserves all the neat aspects of the system, and dispense with the inter-platform dick-waving contest? Let the people who are happy with x86 commodity hardware do their thing, and drop the inferiority complex.
Does it really matter what the company known as Commodore USA does ? You guys are fighting over OSes and hardware long since surpassed (even with the latest offerings)..
C-USA's behavior bothers me because they're acting like "we're now the official arbiters of what constitutes the Amiga," which is annoying enough when individual zealots do it, and they're also expecting to make money from it, which is arrogance squared.
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I voted AROS but I'd prefer it be 68k AROS on a RetroReplay or NatAmi.
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Vapor USA - Scammadore usa,
They have shipped exactly one computer that we know of, and that was bought by bigbenaussie. Since he was their only customer on record, they offered him a job as "chief technical officer"
The pay sucks, but he gets to come on all the forums and lie for them,
call forum users stating facts trolls, defend them threatening to sue osnews.com for stating facts, trash hyperion, aros,natami,minimig,morphos and all other valid groups actually producing products and more.
He gets to create tons of fake accounts to be fans of their plans and equally defend their ridiculous track record of lies, copying apples website word for word and so on...
All this hype, all these cancelled computer models...And newly announced ones... All this hype, talks of 30 million advertising budgets that never produced one single television ad, and what have they done?
Sold one cybernet all in one pc with a commodore sticker slapped on it to some guy they next gave a non paying job to as a "chief technical officer". If your just slapping stickers on cybernet pcs or building off the shelf pcs why do you even need a technical officer?
Months and months and months of hype... Still no products shipping.
Changing gears, changing hype, endless news annoucements and hype.
They have not even released technical specs for any of their computers.
Thats ridiculous. They don't have tech specs because these geniuses don't even know how to build a clone pc. If they did know, they'd have tech specs already listed. Months and months and no specs? Do you know what that means? That means they have not even selected, let alone bought components for any of these "amiga" computers they are announcing. They copied and pasted pictures of the cases I'm sure they would like to someday buy (but haven't yet) Maybe they spent all their money on commodore stickers and now they are broke? :roflmao:
To put it simply...
Its a website full of promises most of which will never materialize... and a voicemail box in some guys house and a website filled with copied and pasted pictures of computers they will never build or sell. VAPOR.
Steven
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vapor usa - scammadore usa,
they have shipped exactly one computer that we know of, and that was bought by bigbenaussie. Since he was their only customer on record, they offered him a job as "chief technical officer"
the pay sucks, but he gets to come on all the forums and lie for them,
call forum users stating facts trolls, defend them threatening to sue osnews.com for stating facts, trash hyperion, aros,natami,minimig,morphos and all other valid groups actually producing products and more.
He gets to create tons of fake accounts to be fans of their plans and equally defend their ridiculous track record of lies, copying apples website word for word and so on...
All this hype, all these cancelled computer models...and newly announced ones... All this hype, talks of 30 million advertising budgets that never produced one single television ad, and what have they done?
Sold one cybernet all in one pc with a commodore sticker slapped on it to some guy they next gave a non paying job to as a "chief technical officer". If your just slapping stickers on cybernet pcs or building off the shelf pcs why do you even need a technical officer?
Months and months and months of hype... Still no products shipping.
Changing gears, changing hype, endless news annoucements and hype.
They have not even released technical specs for any of their computers.
Thats ridiculous. They don't have tech specs because these geniuses don't even know how to build a clone pc. If they did know, they'd have tech specs already listed. Months and months and no specs? Do you know what that means? That means they have not even selected, let alone bought components for any of these "amiga" computers they are announcing. They copied and pasted pictures of the cases i'm sure they would like to someday buy (but haven't yet) maybe they spent all their money on commodore stickers and now they are broke? :roflmao:
To put it simply...
Its a website full of promises most of which will never materialize... And a voicemail box in some guys house and a website filled with copied and pasted pictures of computers they will never build or sell. Vapor.
Steven
ahem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Come on guys, how can you be so hard on a company that includes a postion of employment with every computer it sells? In this economy, that's really something that can set a company apart from its competitors. That's real value added right there.
I don't really need another x86 box, but I am looking for a job.
If anyone from CUSA is reading this, I'd just like you to know that I'm fully versed in not only copying, but also pasting, and I have Paint.net installed on my PC and I'm pretty good at removing watermarks and other pesky bits from images. I have some real Amiga hardware that I can look at and compare to present off-the-shelf cases, and I totally know what Workbench is.
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Come on guys, how can you be so hard on a company that includes a postion of employment with every computer it sells? In this economy, that's really something that can set a company apart from its competitors. That's real value added right there.
I don't really need another x86 box, but I am looking for a job.
If anyone from CUSA is reading this, I'd just like you to know that I'm fully versed in not only copying, but also pasting, and I have Paint.net installed on my PC and I'm pretty good at removing watermarks and other pesky bits from images. I have some real Amiga hardware that I can look at and compare to present off-the-shelf cases, and I totally know what Workbench is.
You're probably overqualified :)
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Come on guys, how can you be so hard on a company that includes a postion of employment with every computer it sells? In this economy, that's really something that can set a company apart from its competitors. That's real value added right there.
I don't really need another x86 box, but I am looking for a job.
If anyone from CUSA is reading this, I'd just like you to know that I'm fully versed in not only copying, but also pasting, and I have Paint.net installed on my PC and I'm pretty good at removing watermarks and other pesky bits from images. I have some real Amiga hardware that I can look at and compare to present off-the-shelf cases, and I totally know what Workbench is.
You, sir, win. Please find enclosed one (1) complementary Internets.
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come on guys, how can you be so hard on a company that includes a postion of employment with every computer it sells? In this economy, that's really something that can set a company apart from its competitors. That's real value added right there.
I don't really need another x86 box, but i am looking for a job.
If anyone from cusa is reading this, i'd just like you to know that i'm fully versed in not only copying, but also pasting, and i have paint.net installed on my pc and i'm pretty good at removing watermarks and other pesky bits from images. I have some real amiga hardware that i can look at and compare to present off-the-shelf cases, and i totally know what workbench is.
+1
:-)
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When I think of an OS now I thinki of virtualization, I think of the computing cloud etc..
Fashion victim. ;-)
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My question is if Commodoreusa were to use AROS instead of using a Linux distro for Workbench5 would this change your mind about their product/company?
I guess i'm hinting that maybe if enough people choose AROS we could maybe start an online petition to force them to change it (assuming everyone would buy it). If enough people were to sign it then they will have no choice.
I think maybe this idea may be irrelevant but it's better than simply causing trouble on facebook and being hostile in general towards C=usa.
For my 2 cents i think they are geniune but misguided. I mean, do we really need another AOS4.x themed Ubuntu?
Erm if they used AROS AND they paid something back to the AROS programmers etc then maybe, but if they are using AROS to make a profit then no sale here :)
I already have more 'commodore looking' cases bookmarked and also know how to download and install a free OS lol
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iMica and aresone by clusteruk and phoenixkonsole respectively. As for business sense, I think most people are aware of the machines, although theyre more fan based projects by people who have a heavy interest in AROS than fully fledged big businesses. That said however the feedback by people who have bought them seems to be good, and they both have good reputations for after sales support. Both have also contributed a lot to AROS in general.
While I've built my own AROS machines over the years and arent really the sort of person to buy pre-assembled systems I must admit I do quite like the iMica silent machine, it looks quite nice, is tiny, and as the name suggests, is completely silent.
C= USA are trying to rope people into believing they have a true successor to the classic Amigas, hence the flashy websites for them and no hard sell/flashy OTT websites for people honestly selling AROS machines :)
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Erm if they used AROS AND they paid something back to the AROS programmers etc then maybe, but if they are using AROS to make a profit then no sale here :)
I already have more 'commodore looking' cases bookmarked and also know how to download and install a free OS lol
Out of curiousity how much have you paid into Aros development?
I know how much I have ;)
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Are you joking? aros has nothing to do with amiga..just another tangent we dont need. As for C= usa, no matter what the call workbench 5 its not.They just put out screwball products and ride on the names commodore and amiga to sell products.If they both went away things would be better.
Why is it not needed?!?!!? AROS is the ONLY x86 based Amiga OS we have....and seeing how pathetic price/performance is on PPC stuff it's a bloody good thing and all.
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Out of curiousity how much have you paid into Aros development?
I know how much I have ;)
It's far easier to tell others what they must spend on something then actually shelling out money of your own pocket, repeatedly. The old, "Do as I say and not as I do." thing.
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When I think of an OS now I thinki of virtualization, I think of the computing cloud etc..
Fashion victim. ;-)
Man, I didn't want to say it, but yeah. I understand that distributed computing has its applications, like providing reliable large-scale computing power for organizations like Google and such. But so very many people talk about it like some kind of magical computer genie that's going to provide limitless power to everyone in the immediate future, where every computer is just a screen with an Ethernet connector that jacks into The Cloud (the capital letters mean it's Important.)
Even if that were likely to happen, it would still require a reliable high-speed Internet connection. That's the problem with any dumb terminal/server setup - the minute the connection goes down, it's completely useless. We spent all of modern computing history moving away from that model, and now people rhapsodize about it like it's the best idea ever. This? This is what reading Wired does to people.
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Cloud computing changes nothing on the client side of things. It doesn't enable any services that centralized servers can't already handle. I'm not sure why marketing drones have latched onto it, but it's really annoying to hear it talked up as some revolutionary paradigm shift in computing when it's really nothing more than a distributed server configuration.
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when it's really nothing more than a distributed server configuration.
..that doesn't require you to invest in server hardware or maintenance and the staff required to handle it.
I'm no huge fan myself (making my career as a system administrator,) but it definitely does have benefits for companies not wanting to mess with hardware.
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Out of curiousity how much have you paid into Aros development?
I know how much I have ;)
"AROS: Funded by pornographers"
Classy.
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"AROS: Funded by pornographers"
Classy.
Ahh I haven't made money on the porn in years ;)
PS. That being said I do still own roughly 12 domains :-P
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"AROS: Funded by pornographers"
Classy.
I don't think "Dr." Ryan ever donated to AROS funding from his Amiga porn flicks.
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Are you joking? aros has nothing to do with amiga.
Bullshit. (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=56211)
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Out of curiousity how much have you paid into Aros development?
I know how much I have ;)
I would imagine A.N. is not running a business out of sticking AROS on crappy all-in-one Chinky PCs :roflmao:
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Why is it not needed?!?!!? AROS is the ONLY x86 based Amiga OS we have....and seeing how pathetic price/performance is on PPC stuff it's a bloody good thing and all.
+1 my friend. Indeed, my thoughts exactly.
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I would imagine A.N. is not running a business out of sticking AROS on crappy all-in-one Chinky PCs :roflmao:
I would imagine neither am I. ;) But then again I don't go around telling others how to spend thier money either.
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I think its pretty funny that after all this, big ben assie says nothing.
I guess he's busy printing "amiga" stickers for their new "line" of computers, or signing up fake accounts on amiga forums to hype his warez. Being a chief technical officer is tough I guess. :lol:
Maybe he's busy stealing amiga wallpapers from aminet to add to ubuntu
for his new "cutting edge amiga operating system".
You never know, they may have found better pictures of cases on the internet so they cancelled their current plans again and are busy making a new website full of pictures of computers they will never build. :roflmao:
Also, he's probably busy coding away on workbench 5.
You know, not coding, actually all he has to do is find someone to help him install e-aue too, but since he's not a technical guy, he will need help with that.
Guys with such creative technical visions like him are in high demand you know. Its hard to design so much vapor in so little time. :roflmao:
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CUSA said this in Sept. 2010:
"Multi-media advertising for the brand, appearing primarily on national television, will be breaking in time for the holiday season."
"Projected budget: $30 million."
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/commodore-usa-appoints-korey-kay-102977849.html
Seems to me that they should be treated with suspicion in general.
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I think its pretty funny that after all this, big ben assie says nothing.
I guess he's busy printing "amiga" stickers for their new "line" of computers, or signing up fake accounts on amiga forums to hype his warez. Being a chief technical officer is tough I guess. :lol:
Maybe he's busy stealing amiga wallpapers from aminet to add to ubuntu
for his new "cutting edge amiga operating system".
You never know, they may have found better pictures of cases on the internet so they cancelled their current plans again and are busy making a new website full of pictures of computers they will never build. :roflmao:
Also, he's probably busy coding away on workbench 5.
You know, not coding, actually all he has to do is find someone to help him install e-aue too, but since he's not a technical guy, he will need help with that.
Guys with such creative technical visions like him are in high demand you know. Its hard to design so much vapor in so little time. :roflmao:
Mr Nigro AKA... BigBenTheAussie AKA... CommodoreUSACTO, is probably also busy trying to figure out what his next alias will be... :)
That should keep him busy for another few weeks at least... :lol:
I'll address BigBenTheAussieCommodoreUSACTO by his surname from now on as he seems to like to address me by mine, It's a lot easier anyway than typing his ruddy alias... :)
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Thats just the latest of their lies. I think its pretty funny too that they left that on their website, even after failing to deliver on that LIE.
Months and months of lies, hype, announced then cancelled lines of computers, slapping stickers on existing products, alienating everyone in the commodore or amiga communities, stealing a page quite literally from apples website, threatening to sue osnews.com for stating facts, announcing a cutting edge new amiga os that turns out to be just ubuntu with amiga wallpers... Managing multiple fake accounts on amiga forums to defend their "company" At least they are entertaining.
I hope those idiots paid a boatload of money to use the commodore and amiga names, just so they will have to pay for their arrogance, thier
lies and their fake hype. Knowing how this crap works, they probably have to pay a liscence fee for each computer sold though.
So far they sold ONE sticker slapped cybernet pc at a 45% markup. 1...
A year of hype, announcements, lies, cancelled computers, newly announced computers... They sold one computer.
Considering the volume of their sales, I beat them in sales this year on ebay, and I'm just one guy with no 30 million dollar advertising budget.
I'd say CUSA is not just a failure, its an EPIC failure.
Steven
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So far they sold ONE sticker slapped cybernet pc at a 45% markup. 1...
A year of hype, announcements, lies, cancelled computers, newly announced computers... They sold one computer.
You too can be an officer in the company! Buy the second computer, you could be CVO!
big ben assie
That's a good one, I can't believe I didn't think of that already.
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You too can be an officer in the company! Buy the second computer, you could be CVO!
That's waaay too high a price to pay just to become head muppet... :)
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Speaking of which i always wanted to ask is this Big Ben guy even an Aussie??? Feel Insulted that he is calling himself an Aussie.. God know i don't want to be put in the same basket (and i am sure alot of other real Aussies would agree).
And if he is a real Aussie i feel so embarrassed for him (and me!!)...
Also hmmmm i sold 2 computers today can i get a job a C-USA.. maybe marketing CEO or even Director or CEO??? (nice ring... :D)
Just kidding :D
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I would imagine neither am I. ;) But then again I don't go around telling others how to spend thier money either.
Erm we are talking about a business making millions on the back of AROS development and giving nothing back.
Enough already man! Stop being a twat and just come out with it now mate. IF a company is riding on the coat tails of a FREE OS and the Amiga name they are kittys. Are you related to this retard Barry Altman or taking one for the C= USA team nightly or what? Or perhaps you have some moronic private disagreement with said user? Only one of you two is talking sense and it isn't you ;)
If you are trying to equate a single person, who may or may not have even downloaded AROS to try out let alone use, to scumbag losers trying to con naive people into purchasing something allegedly "Next Generation Amiga" in nature by use of this free OS and some rubbish chinky all in one PCs to make MASSIVE PROFITS then you are an idiot.
Stop being a trolling twat and own up to being either.....
1. A troll with no brain looking for attention
2. A devout cult member of the idiotic group of con artists known as C= USA/AI
Which is it? :roflmao:
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Erm we are talking about a business making millions on the back of AROS development and giving nothing back.
Enough already man! Stop being a twat and just come out with it now mate. IF a company is riding on the coat tails of a FREE OS and the Amiga name they are kittys. Are you related to this retard Barry Altman or taking one for the C= USA team nightly or what? Or perhaps you have some moronic private disagreement with said user? Only one of you two is talking sense and it isn't you ;)
If you are trying to equate a single person, who may or may not have even downloaded AROS to try out let alone use, to scumbag losers trying to con naive people into purchasing something allegedly "Next Generation Amiga" in nature by use of this free OS and some rubbish chinky all in one PCs to make MASSIVE PROFITS then you are an idiot.
Stop being a trolling twat and own up to being either.....
1. A troll with no brain looking for attention
2. A devout cult member of the idiotic group of con artists known as C= USA/AI
Which is it? :roflmao:
I prefer someone who spent well over $1000 of my own money towards Aros development that's just sick of freetards who think they have a right to determine what others spend their money on. ;)
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Which is it? :roflmao:
Terminills is a site admin on http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum
So it's no wonder he's just a wee bit biased in his opinions on CUSA... :)
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Terminills is a site admin on http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum
So it's no wonder he's just a wee bit biased in his opinions on CUSA... :)
So is WolfTo The Moon.
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can't amiga.org site admins check the ip log? I bet those two and biggenaussie all are posting from the same ip #.
Bigbenassie? He's not too bright., I wouldn't put it past him.
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can't amiga.org site admins check the ip log? I bet those two and biggenaussie all are posting from the same ip #.
Bigbenassie? He's not too bright., I wouldn't put it past him.
they have my permission ;)
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Terminills is a site admin on http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum
So it's no wonder he's just a wee bit biased in his opinions on CUSA... :)
even better ... I own it. ~shrugs~ but that has nothing to do with my gripe ;)
PS. As a matter of fact you had the same sentiment towards people not supporting A.org if they used it if I recall. =]
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even better ... I own it. ~shrugs~ but that has nothing to do with my gripe ;)
PS. As a matter of fact you had the same sentiment towards people not supporting A.org if they used it if I recall. =]
Ok so just what is your gripe ? :)
sorry but I don't understand what the last part of your post means (it's not very clear !) "not supporting A.org if they used it" ???
Used what !
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Terminills has a hard time making any sense and enjoys winking.
I think it may be a disorder.
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Erm we are talking about a business making millions on the back of AROS development and giving nothing back.
Enough already man! Stop being a twat and just come out with it now mate. IF a company is riding on the coat tails of a FREE OS and the Amiga name they are kittys. Are you related to this retard Barry Altman or taking one for the C= USA team nightly or what? Or perhaps you have some moronic private disagreement with said user? Only one of you two is talking sense and it isn't you ;)
If you are trying to equate a single person, who may or may not have even downloaded AROS to try out let alone use, to scumbag losers trying to con naive people into purchasing something allegedly "Next Generation Amiga" in nature by use of this free OS and some rubbish chinky all in one PCs to make MASSIVE PROFITS then you are an idiot.
Stop being a trolling twat and own up to being either.....
1. A troll with no brain looking for attention
2. A devout cult member of the idiotic group of con artists known as C= USA/AI
Which is it? :roflmao:
All those so far publicly named as being part of CUSA have one thing in common, they are all Ashkenazi brethren.
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Ok so just what is your gripe ? :)
sorry but I don't understand what the last part of your post means (it's not very clear !) "not supporting A.org if they used it" ???
Used what !
Frankly I could care less what people think about C=USA ... My gripe is more to do with people who use Aros won't spend a dime on it and complain about what others spend their money on.
I think that may have been clearer. =]
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Unacustomed that I am in been the voice of reason but I really don't understand the level of anamosity towards C=USA when large parts of the community seem to give other companys with more dubious business practices or equally unproductive track record unlimited chances.
I for one would welcome a amiga like OS based upon the linux kernel and think its the way to go IF its not just amiga icons on a gnome theme and uae. IF it is a resonable reimplementaion of the amiga UI with intergrated amiga uae style emulation and the ability to run modern linux apps, I would certainly consider buying it.
All i'm saying is give them a chance and see what is produced, if it is a steaming pile of poo I'll be the handing out the flaming torches as the mob gets ready.
Gaz
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@ Terminills
You forgot to logout of your site while your over here, there are currently four of us on it... :)
You, WolfToTheMoon,Wraith2021 + 1 Guest (I'm the guest by the way)
Bit dodgy that, I might sneek in and become a member while your busy over here... ;)
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@ Terminills
You forgot to logout of your site while your over here, there are currently four of us on it... :)
You, WolfToTheMoon,Wraith2021 + 1 Guest (I'm the guest by the way)
Bit dodgy that, I might sneek in and become a member while your busy over here... ;)
Go ahead... I have no problems with that. =]
PS. I'm a tab whore when it comes to my browser.
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Terminills has a hard time making any sense and enjoys winking.
I think it may be a disorder.
I think you just made a joke about my lazy eye. man wtf.
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All those so far publicly named as being part of CUSA have one thing in common, they are all Ashkenazi brethren.
Whatevs -- everyone knows that the real power lies with the Sephardic pushing the Ashkenazi into the spotlight. Its the puppet master of the puppet master of the puppet master. And the Sephardic are actually controlled by space Elvis, who converted when they took him up to the mothership.
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Whatevs -- everyone knows that the real power lies with the Sephardic pushing the Ashkenazi into the spotlight. Its the puppet master of the puppet master of the puppet master. And the Sephardic are actually controlled by space Elvis, who converted when they took him up to the mothership.
Knowing vast swathes of the Sephardic Jewish community both here in the UK and in Israel I can say we both know that isn't true.
Ashkenazi scams against the unclean goyim are ten-a-penny.........
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Knowing vast swathes of the Sephardic Jewish community both here in the UK and in Israel I can say we both know that isn't true.
Ashkenazi scams against the unclean goyim are ten-a-penny.........
...as he carefully avoids any mention of Space Elvis :D
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Whatevs -- everyone knows that the real power lies with the Sephardic pushing the Ashkenazi into the spotlight. Its the puppet master of the puppet master of the puppet master. And the Sephardic are actually controlled by space Elvis, who converted when they took him up to the mothership.
I met Elvis on that same spaceship just last week... he's lost quite a bit of weight you know, hardly recognised him cept for the white catsuit and the big toilet bowl mark still round his bum... :)
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...as he carefully avoids any mention of Space Elvis :D
Elvis died in 1996 at a post-rave party in my mates house. He had a massive ecstasy binge and the amphetamines, cokaine and Jack Daniels just finished him off.
We buried him underneath the new M65 motorway. :)
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Elvis died in 1996 at a post-rave party in my mates house. He had a massive ecstasy binge and the amphetamines, cokaine and Jack Daniels just finished him off.
We buried him underneath the new M65 motorway. :)
See? Now they know, and will soon thaw out another clone. O_o
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@Franko why did you vote Pancakes? You clearly have a gripe with them even taking your feud onto Facebook but you voted Pancakes? :confused:
I'm also wondering if the people who voted Linux have a connection with the company or if they honestly just think Linux is a good way to go.
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@Franko why did you vote Pancakes? You clearly have a gripe with them even taking your feud onto Facebook but you voted Pancakes? :confused:
I'm also wondering if the people who voted Linux have a connection with the company or if they honestly just think Linux is a good way to go.
Well there was no other option in the poll that made any sense for me... :(
Break it down...
Thread Title = C=usa. A peaceful solution?
Poll Question = Would Should C=usa use as Workbench5?
My options therefore were...
AROS = nothing in it to interest me personally
Linux = As ABove
I despise them no matter what = Contrary to popular belief I don't despise them I just with they wouldn't use the names Commodore, Amiga or Workbench for their products
Anything they use is cool with me = obviously not
Pancakes = The only choice I had left to vote on
I mean what else could I vote on, I don't want or need any of the above and have no interest in seeing a new version of Workbench, OS3.5 does everything I need from a computer.
The only thing that I really have real interest in as far as the future of the Amiga goes is the NatAmi as by it's proposed specs it's basically going to be a modern bit of hardware that I can continue to code in 68K on in an environment that I like and am proficient at coding & using, plus it should run a good bit faster that a standard Amiga.
And if it fails to appear then I'll still be happy using my plain old A1200s... :)