AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3

[spirantho]

The X1000s are all beta-test machines. That means they will be running the debug kernel, with serial debugging, and hence not representative in any way of the final version. Judging anything from a beta-test quick video is unfair.

Comparing the boot-time of this machine to a released PC is misguided at best.....

[spirantho]

people keep referring to it as bashing, but it seems fair criticism if a system seems to boot slowly (and to question it/and why).

I can see that some non-technical people may not understand the development cycle and may genuinely believe that.  Some people in this thread I'm sure DO know it, and realise that what they are saying is a nugget of purest FUD.

Remember, this is a beta test system.
It will have serial debug output, probably at 9600 baud.
It could easily be tracking every single call to every single library, and dumping the text at that speed, which could take about 6mS.

That means after just 1000 calls, you'd have a 6 second delay.

Now tell me again how that is at all indicative of the final non-debug speed of the system, please!

[spirantho]

Even for guys like myself that know first hand how fast a NG "Amiga" whether it be OS4 or MorphOS can actually power up, it's a terrible demonstration.

Don't forget, who the video is aimed at, though.  It's aimed purely at developers and they can see the importance of what is in the video without worrying about boot times and stuff. If this was to entice new users I'd agree but they know what they're doing here - this video won't scare off any of their target market at all.

The rest of your post I know what you mean though!

[spirantho]

Spirantho, you are half right. As far as the non techies you have a point. As far as the developers that are posting, these people dont spread FUD they spread TRUTH. Its their opinion.

If they as developers don't realise that the speed of debug code is not representative of that of a release build then I fear for their code!

There is some genuine concern I can see but also some blatant FUD in this thread!

[spirantho]

If you had to hang on spooling out text to a serial port clocked at 9600 baud to print out a message *every* time a library call was made you would wind up with a completely unusable system.

Exactly! so if you only log say 10% of your calls then you still end up with what appears to be a very slow system, which is what we see here.

Q.E.D.

[spirantho]

All these excuses about it being a debug build responsible for the machine running like utter crap is just lame. There must be some really atrocious code flung together to get this running on the pa6t.

A debug build will always be slower, that's not an excuse that's a reason.

These are BETA builds, not release. They have debugging kernels.

If you don't believe me I challenge you to ask any kernel or os developer how fast their beta, debug, serial output enabled machines ran.

That's my last comment, not getting into an argument here.

Oh,
fear: telling people the machine will not come out.
uncertainty: making people think that the machine really might be booting that slow for a reason other than debug code
doubt: making people doubt the abilities of the writers.

A lot of FUD in this thread.

Just in case I get accused of being an OS4 fanboy, I actually run OS4,MorphOS and AROS.