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Operating System Specific Discussions => Amiga OS => Amiga OS -- Development => Topic started by: on January 27, 2003, 05:37:05 PM
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What do you think of this message?
http://www.amigaimpact.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-Comments&file=index&req=showreply&tid=722&sid=953&pid=720
For those who don't read french, it's said: "I am on the [private] OS4 ML, i see the project advancement. It's certain that OS4 will not be ready before at last the end of 2003."
and "The OS is not yet able to launch the workbench" etc.
:-(
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PinkBunnyOfDeath wrote:
What do you think of this message?
http://www.amigaimpact.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-Comments&file=index&req=showreply&tid=722&sid=953&pid=720
For those who don't read french, it's said: "I am on the [private] OS4 ML, i see the project advancement. It's certain that OS4 will not be ready before at last the end of 2003."
and "The OS is not yet able to launch the workbench" etc.
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That is completely WRONG! Its already finalised ready for release...
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IF that IS the case and not bs, Eyetech can SHOVE my AmigaOne where the sun don't shine!
I cant put up with Linux much longer!!!!
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lol just read Helgis75's post
talk about timing :)
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AmigaOne wrote:
IF that IS the case and not bs, Eyetech can SHOVE my AmigaOne where the sun don't shine!
I cant put up with Linux much longer!!!!
Buddy, don't believe this rumour. I advice to keep away from such false rumour...ONLY listen to Amiga Inc, Eyetech and Hyperion. NO ONE ELSE!!!
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lol
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I doubt Hyperion would keep that under wraps, although I wouldn't be surprised if it takes another 6 months or so. (Not because of anything implied about Hyperion, I'm just saying it's a HUGE job)
Eyetech had the easy part ;)
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AmigaOne wrote:
lol
Believe me, i know...i am saying the truth..
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'As I already indicated to Rose and into private: I am on ml OS4, I see the advance of the project. It is clear and final that OS 4 will not be ready before at least the end of the year 2003. I find limit to announce an exit in Mars 2003, because that is connected with vaporware or untrue advertizing to sell of AmigaOne. It should be known that per hour when one speaks, the emulator 68k is still not integrated into the core, and that OS is not yet in a position of launching unspecified a workbench. On the other hand there are many modules of OS which seem to be quite advanced. But one still needs the recompiler according to API selected the pure OS 4, and it is not yet completely defined. Some will rot me for this comment. But my love for the truth is too extremely sorry. I think especially of the people who indeed will believe that OS4 leaves in Mars, which will buy AOne and which will be for their expenses in October 2003 when always nothing is available to the level of OS. Bye, Ben'
Ben who?
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Well i just want to believe you, but this message was from Ben Yoris, who worked for Hyperion and is on the OS4 Dev ML.
So who should i trust? :-?
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Well I am not on the private list any longer, and actually the private list was becoming much more public when I jumped ship. Ready before the end of the year? Who knows!! I am not prepared to wait any longer.
IMO play with what you have, don't take any rumor as word of god. If it happens, it happens. But don't hold your breath!! :-o
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I guess we'll wait and see..but by judging the latest OS4-feature list, they seem to be finished..and Ben Herman said they were just closing in for release of the OS4...so i assume they must be finished..
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Helgis75 wrote:
That is completely WRONG! Its already finalised ready for release...
Please provide evidence or is this speculation.
Dont tell me you know man who heard that.......
@pinkbunnydude or what ever.
Strange how your first post here is to post a comment about os4 not turning up.
Are you sure you didn't make the original post or are you an disgruntelled developer just trying to stir up some FUD ?
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I had a feature list of Eddas ready 4 years ago. I am still 300 man-hours of hard work away from having anything resembling a full prototype.
A feature list means just that you've set your goals. Nothing more.
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@JurassicCamper :
The original post is from a website where you need to register before write something. Ben 'OneVision' Yoris is well known on amigaimpact.com
And about me: i don't post to "stir up some FUD", i wait OS4 for month and when it will be available i will be one of the first to order it. But i want to KNOW WHEN.
Why Hyperion don't post an exact list of what is finish/not finish?
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Buddy, don't believe this rumour. I advice to keep away from such false rumour...ONLY listen to Amiga Inc, Eyetech and Hyperion. NO ONE ELSE!!!
The only problem is that this post came from Hyperion. Onevision is Ben Yoris, the Hyperion PR Manager.
You can check that here (http://www.hyperion-entertainment.com/_amiga/index.html)
And Ben is a very nice guy, very friendly and trustfull.
He has the courage to stand behind his opinions even if it hurts.
It is nice to see honest people voicing their opinion vs marketing lies.
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He's not the PR of Hyperion. He resigns some months ago.
Philespin
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>That is completely WRONG!
Sorry to say, but I guess Ben Yoris (ex PR Manager
of Hyperion) has a bit more insight-information than
you. So if something is coming from him it's not FUD
or anything.
But then Hyperion can just clarify this and say that
the OS4 launch is as announced in March 2003 at
CeBit.
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While this is a completely unsubstantiated rumour posted by an anonymous person, I have to say I got a good laugh from what you wrote, Helgis75. :)
That is completely WRONG! Its already finalised ready for release...
According to who? You? Sorry, no offence intended, but that's as reliable a source as this "Ben" character. Hyperion still says "when it's ready". I know that McEwen said something ambiguous about CeBIT in March in that infamous Extremetech.com interview, but almost everything else he said in that was only "true for very small values of true."
ONLY listen to Amiga Inc, Eyetech and Hyperion. NO ONE ELSE!!!
Make that "Hyperion, nobody else, including Helgis75, Seehund, PinkBunnyOfDeathAndDestruction, or whoever". ;)
The word is "When it's ready". Could just as well be next week as 2008.
by judging the latest OS4-feature list, they seem to be finished.
LOL! No, the expression "feature list" should tell you that it's a list of things that will be implemented in the OS. Not a release schedule.
Ben Herman said they were just closing in for release of the OS4...so i assume they must be finished..
I know that on the Yahoo AOS4 mailinglist, one of the Friedens (I'm sorry, I forgot who) said that OS4 was in betatesting, immediately followed with that it's not complete, which would mean that it can't be in betatesting (by any commonly used definition of that word). That was in late December IIRC. "Closing in for release" is about as precise as "when it's ready". The universe is "closing in" for its thermodynamic death as we speak, but nobody of us will ever experience it...
Anyway, can anyone confirm that this "Ben" is Ben Yoris (preferrably himself ;))? [EDIT: scratch that. It seems to have been confirmed as I was typing] Even if he's not directly involved in the development but follows it from the "close outside" so to speak, I'm sure he has at least an inkling of the progress.
Personally I'm trying to not keep any higher hopes than "when it's ready", and ignore all the vague hints. It's a good recipe to avoid disappointments.
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It doesn't surprise me that this has happened. If Hyperion can't/won't give an actual release date then someone is bound to say this sort of thing (weather true or not).
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More FUD...YAWN. Wake me up when something interesting happens.
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I was wondering about that. Is it possible that the parting was less than amicable (sp?) leaving Ben Yoris somewhat disgruntled and seeking a little revenge?
I don't know Ben from Adam, so take that with an extremely tiny grain of salt, but it just looks possible to me. Those of you who know him better may feel free to enlighten me.
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when i read this, my first impression is "FUD" , and i think that such posts as this should be on a personal/private mailing list :)
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> But then Hyperion can just clarify this and say that
> the OS4 launch is as announced in March 2003 at
> CeBit.
It would be nice if they addressed this, but I won't hold it against them if they confirm it's still a ways off. It's no small task porting an OS.
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No, it is not a revenge.
Ben was just warning a small amount of French users about the fact that a new French Amigaone dealer was announcing OS4 for march.
He never thought that his answer would be spread around the net like that.
The only FUD I see here is the one coming from clueless people.
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Well if he posts smth. like that in a public forum i don't know how he expects it to stay there...
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Well.. I have no idea if this is true or not. Both cases fit quite well within what I have heard so it's possible to either way. Personally I expect to see a lot of explaining by the time of CeBit... Expecially if they don't have working product by then.
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I don't know what to think of this thread. It smells like FUD, but it's not as if Hyperion is going to step up to the plate and shoot it down either.
My guess is that the original quote was probably taken out of a discussion that was leading elsewhere. I suspect that OS4 won't be really ready until late 2003, but Hyperion will likely release "usable betas" to A1 owners long before then. You know there is a release, then there is a RELEASE. Think "Voyager3.3" releases ;-)
Keep in mind that what I just said is pure speculation on my part, based on how things sometimes happen. I'm not trying to propigate the FUD, but trying to put a questionable post into some context....
:-? :roll: :-? :-o :-?
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zacman wrote:
>That is completely WRONG!
Sorry to say, but I guess Ben Yoris (ex PR Manager
of Hyperion) has a bit more insight-information than
you. So if something is coming from him it's not FUD
or anything.
1. How do you know that it was Ben Yoris? How do you know this wasn't someone else claiming to be Ben Yoris?
2. Even if it is Ben Yoris, why isn't he an employee of Hyperion anymore? Was he fired? If so, why? Perhaps that could be a motive for not telling the truth?
But then Hyperion can just clarify this and say that
the OS4 launch is as announced in March 2003 at
CeBit.
They got better stuff to do than clarifying rumours all the time. I've seen quite alot of Ben Hermans on ANN where he clarifies every single detail over and over, is this really what they should do instead of working? Well, I don't think so. Please just accept that this is just a rumour as long as it hasn't been confirmed.
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Hoya!
Hummmmmmmm... I don't know the truth for sure but if it is wrong, it would be fecking stupid spreading FUD like that.
If it is true... Well, we have been waiting for new stuff since... Neanderthal? ;-)
I for one can wait a bit longer anyway, for I don't have the money to buy something now. Of course, lots of people DO have the money...
Dunno what will happen... But if it is true, I hope Hyperion WILL make a public statement. Since they're doing a pretty neat job, I believe a vast majority of Amigans would understand...
Be funky
M A D
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To be fair AFAIK there is no official release date.
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I just wish they could give a ballpark figure about when 4.0 will be released. Like before or after may 2003? If they can't even say that then it will never be released in time for me still having interrest for it (certainly not before may anyway). I have absolutely no interrest at all to use linux on a PPC mobo. I already have a x86 box with better linux support running it just fine. If it's after may then I really want to cancel my AOne Xe G4 order as I would have absolutely no use for it before 4.0 is released.
Ohh well .. isn't there a NDA or something that I could sign so that I would atleast know SOMETHING about the status of 4.0....
*sigh*
/Björn
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>1. How do you know that it was Ben Yoris?
Because he told so on IRC. But maybe that was a
fake then as well...
>2. Even if it is Ben Yoris, why isn't he an employee
>of Hyperion anymore?
He isn't there anymore for a very long time. I think it
has adressed at ann.lu over 2 years ago.
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Just over 1.
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So you telling us that Hyperion has lied to us?? How can they announce it will be finished before march 2003, when they allready know it wont be finished before atleast end of 2003?? how can this be?
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1. How do you know that it was Ben Yoris? How do you know this wasn't someone else claiming to be Ben Yoris?
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Cause that forums requires you to log in and he
posts there quite frequently. Moreover he confirmed
that it was him on IRC.
2. Even if it is Ben Yoris, why isn't he an employee of Hyperion anymore? Was he fired? If so, why? Perhaps that could be a motive for not telling the truth?
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He wasn't fired, he left for personal reasons. He was
(and is afaik) still very friendly with Hyperion.
And... you're certain that he's lying... Why's that?
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> So you telling us that Hyperion has lied to us??
> How can they announce it will be finished before
> march 2003, when they allready know it wont be
> finished before atleast end of 2003?? how can this
> be?
DID they announce an official release date of March? (honest question, I've been under a rock ;)
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T_Bone wrote:
DID they announce an official release date of March? (honest question, I've been under a rock ;)
Well.. not Release.. but Launch .. It was on Amiga.Inc site.. A moment..
Ah here.. (http://www.amiga.com/corporate/111902-exposure.shtml) A joined message of Amiga inc, Hyperion and Eyetech.
So there is no mention of having working product but I really hope they have something real to show at their big launch at CeBit. :-?
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Relax guys, this message is being taken far too extreme. It was a warning due to a french reseller claiming that AOS4 would be shipping in March, when it's release date would be announced in march. A simple clarification to try and not cause a major situation later on.
AOS4 is a major project, and is near a year from completion at least from the way things look. Don't expect anything else for a long time now.
Till then, please feel free to troll.
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How are you certain that Ben would ruin his
reputation about Hyperion? He worked there and he
is still friendly with them. I wouldn't hold such a
release date to them, making an OS is VERY difficult
and time consuming task.
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> Ah here.. A joined message of Amiga inc, Hyperion
> and Eyetech.
Oh... That. I usually take those grandiose announcements with a grain of salt, they announce Amithlon2.0 there too ;0
I guess I have no other choice but to wait and see.
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> making an OS is VERY difficult
> and time consuming task.
Especially considering that this is arguably the largest AmigaOS developement project to date.
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Heya
The fact that the Frieden brothers are staying away from this thread can signal something (because if it is an absolute FUD they - especially Hans-Jörg - react fairly quicky, on such a topic).
No speculations, it can happen, one of the things what developers usually omit is the integration time. Components are here, but there is a need for an additional logic to make them to work together, and testing, hups... So, usual thing. Mazbe the promises were based on these estimations,. that's bad, for us.
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Treke
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Well, I followed the thread. The orignal post has been removed.
This "OneVision" has no data in his profile and his email address is bogus!
This does not appear to be valid, but FUD!
Loki
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Hi,
Ben Yoris doesn't work anymore for Hyperion: this
page on Hyperion's website has not been updated
since a long long time...
Regards,
Leo.
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> This does not appear to be valid, but FUD!
I'm not saying any of this is true one way or the other, but just because something may be FUD does not means it's not valid.
If you FEAR a product, you're UNCERTAIN of a product, and you DOUBT the product, then chances are, either someone representing the product needs to get into gear addressing the problem, or the consumer should choose a product they're more comfortable with.
Just thought I'd point that out, as the word "FUD" is a bit overused around here lately, and usually used incorrectly. "FUD" does not mean "Rumor that's untrue."
On a side note, this may be a "Rumor that's untrue." anyway :()
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Treke wrote:
The fact that the Frieden brothers are staying away from this thread can signal something (because if it is an absolute FUD they - especially Hans-Jörg - react fairly quicky, on such a topic).
Except when they decide to stay away from the public forums because the combined ignorance, rudeness and general lack of clue of a small but extremely loud set of individuals is getting to be bad for their health.
I wouldn't take a lack of response one way or the other.
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Sorry to say, but I guess Ben Yoris (ex PR Manager of Hyperion) has a bit more insight-information than you. So if something is coming from him it's not FUD or anything.
He might also have an axe to grind. Fact is no one knows for sure and although we're all tired of waiting we'll just have to keep on waiting anyway.
- Mike
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okay then, if this is true... Im out of here. No way im buying an AmigaONE if its atleast nearly a year for the release... sigh. AmigaONE is allready outdated, wonder how outdated it will be in a year from now... x86 running at 5ghz+ or something?
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This "OneVision" has no data in his profile and his email address is bogus!
As I'm the webmaster of Amiga Impact and a friend of Ben Yoris, I can assure you this is really him. Now, believe what you want on the case, I'm not here to tell you what you have to think about AmigaOS 4 or anything.
My last note on this subject, the French Amiga community in itself is quite small. So, as our website is french-speaking only, you can guess our audience isn't very large compared to Amiga.org or ANN. So, it's easy to speak there, as if you were speaking to some family or mates. Well, I guess, this probably won't happen anymore.
À bientôt, :)
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The end of 2003 or later does seem to be a bit off. But the fact remains that so far there is no OS4 out there for us to use. It's ready when it's ready will keep creating those speculations. But let me add that if it indeed gets out at the end of this year it's a dead thing even before it hits the street. Personally I do not think it will be out in March.
But back to reality, there is no OS4 yet and I guess we just have to wait untill it is there.
Coder
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downix wrote:
Relax guys, this message is being taken far too extreme. It was a warning due to a french reseller claiming that AOS4 would be shipping in March, when it's release date would be announced in march.
The French reseller was me, and the correct translation is "should be available" (future conditional) and not "will be shipping".
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> okay then, if this is true... Im out of here.
Realistically, nobody knows when it's going to be done, not Ben Yoris, not Ben Hermans, nor you or I. I wouldn't be too hard on them for not being able to pin it down to a certain week, you have many people working at different speeds on different parts of an OS. It's anyones guess really, but personally I doubt it will take untill next year.
Would it really be such a bad thing if it does take the rest of this year? At least with the commitments being made to OS4/A1 that are quite visible, it's at least obvious that this isn't vapor or a hoax, and that something will actually materialise, unlike many projects in the past, and possibly 'those' T-shirts.
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He confirmed it on IRC. And yes, it WAS him on IRC.
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@T_Bone
Would it really be such a bad thing if it does take the rest of this year?
Yes it would. You start loosing people by that. There is no way anyone will wait for the end of this year for OS4. How sad that might be.
Coder
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> Yes it would. You start loosing people by that.
You're right, of course, but out of curiousity, I wonder how many people would leave. The people who were willing to shell out for an A1 arn't a fickle bunch, the pricetag pretty much filtered out the fickle! ;)
> There is no way anyone will wait for the end of this
> year for OS4. How sad that might be.
I hear ya, I remember the bomb Eyetech dropped last year :/ (although it's worked out for the better IMO)
If it's going to take another year, I don't know if there's anything Hyperion can do about it. The wait might be a lot easier if they'd be a little more liberal with progress and details, BIG JUICY technical details not the marketing prose on Amiga.com, a public (well, to boardowners) beta might make the wait easier as well.
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Would it really be such a bad thing if it does take the rest of this year?
Yes, cause then AmigaONE would be VERY outdated, in a year from now, i bet i can get a used/outdated model, which is WAY than the current AmigaONE but at half of the prize of the Aone, so who do you think would get it then??
They shouldent have released the AmigaONE either before the OS was ready... Then atleast the HW would be a bit more current.
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> Yes, cause then AmigaONE would be VERY
> outdated, in a year from now.
Well, that's a given weather or not the OS is released by then :P
> They shouldent have released the AmigaONE
> either before the OS was ready... Then atleast the
> HW would be a bit more current.
It's kind of a chicken/egg thing I believe, they need to develope on something. (of course they could have just ordered a few developer boards, and tweaked as needed near release time for new hardware)
ugh. Can you imagine being the one to have to break that news to all of us here? =0
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If O/s 4 is going to be another year (or more ?) Then I might as well persuade Paul to part with the £600 he's saved up and put it towards that 52" television I saw in Miller Bros last weekend !!
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Will MorphOS be ported to AmigaOne? If yes then when?
Don`t get me wrong, I`m an AmigaOS 4.0 fan (AmiGR knows that really good :-)) but I want to know my options.
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I have looked forward to be getting a new Amiga since '93 :-)
Even I, am at the point, where an Apple powerbook begins to look attractive (when a pegasos looks attractive to me I will leave the community ;-)
I have the funds for an AmigaOne G4 and all the extra hardware I would be needing but I won't buy anything Amiga until I have seen and tried OS4 myself. If release date is pushed that far back I think Hyperion should tell us, no need to wait with that Powerbook then...
Or maybe I should just upgrade my classic with a Mediator/gfx/ethrnet/sound and possibly a Shark, when OS4 becomes available?
Hyperion allthough I understand why you can't comment on every rumour out there, this rumour seems to have more substance (a former emloyee, Ben Yoris). Comments would be very welcome!
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> If O/s 4 is going to be another year (or more ?)
> Then I might as well persuade Paul to part with the
> £600 he's saved up and put it towards that 52"
> television I saw in Miller Bros last weekend !!
Bah! get both!
(Where the heck is BenH? hey man, PR meltdown here!!! I can't hold them off much longer!!) No! no! it's all slipping awaaaaayyyyyyyyyy.........
Sorry, I've had way too much coffee today :/
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It really doesn't matter to me either way.
If and when OS4 is released, I would rather it be bug free than filled with a bunch of patches to get it out fast.
If I have to wait another year or two, so what?
It's already been a very long time.
If OS4 is a good product, I will buy it when it comes out.
I've learned to focus on what is real.
OS4 is real, but it's not ready yet.
Oh well, no biggie.
;-)
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@Mountain_myst
Feel the same way, it's just that I now have the money ready for the A1.
If it will be a year I certainly won't wait.
I will offcourse get an AmigaOne at some point but who knows when I will be able to afford one..?
regards
Troels
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(Where the heck is BenH? hey man, PR meltdown here!!!
Maybe he is talking with Yoris to solve this missunderstanding. (As it seems it was really him and stated an oppinion)
Maybe it won`t be ready on time (March) but also not so far as Yoris thought and it is hard to tell that to us because we will thing that they lie.
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Edit-Chick wrote:
If O/s 4 is going to be another year (or more ?) Then I might as well persuade Paul to part with the £600 he's saved up and put it towards that 52" television I saw in Miller Bros last weekend !!
@Coder: now you can take off your bucket Paul :lol:
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@mountain_myst,
feel free to wait forever for your magical bug free product, but keep in mind it won't be bug free, they never are, not if they waited 20 years.
They aren't hammering out the final bugs, they don't even have major features implemented yet, it doesn't boot workbench yet. You better believe it will fly out the door once it looks like anything close to being sellable, they are losing sales by the day.
I don't have insider knowledge, but I don't need it to know that if they wait six months on a complete project, then they are absolute morons....they aren't sitting on a complete project hammering out some arcane bugs!!!! GET REAL!
as people get their money together they will either buy a pegasos, or they go to another platform...hardly anyone waits around forever with money in the bank on a product that 'who knows when will be finished'
I am so sick of listening at these threads and everyone calling this type of news 'FUD'.
There is absolutely no uncertainty that OS 4 is not a shipping product, and that no one knows when it will ship. Early next year...maybe, could be NEVER.
I'll tell you what, like many others, I have waited here for years...and I am not saying 'I can wait longer.' Enough is enough...and it has been enough.
I will not wait longer, when I'm ready to buy in March, I will buy OS 4 if its shipping... if not then a Macintosh....like others have said, if OS 4 is released some day, I may very well buy it...but maybe not, and even if I do, who knows when.
Amiga/hyperion/eyetech have definately missed out on this buying cycle....
I'll stay in the Amiga realm via MorphOS if it is released for Mac's late 2003 as promised, or maybe by UAE, or perhaps not at all.....
but I will not wait any longer, and I'm not the only one.
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....they aren't sitting on a complete project hammering out some arcane bugs!!!! GET REAL!
I wasn't trying to persuade anyone one way or the other.
I've waited this long, and I will wait longer if I must.
That's all.
You do what you want to do.
Makes no difference to me.
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Couldn't sleep and wondered what's going on. Then surfed here and found this thread.
I really hope this is not true. I have done my part of waiting. If there is nothing to buy, I begin to look alternatives but definitely will buy OS 4 when it finally arrives.
:-?
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Patience people,Things are doing,and are doing very well.
That`s for sure, and isn`t anything that i cannot say.
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Who said it would be ready in March?
Amiga, Inc. said they would have the launch of OS4 at CeBit in March. Does launch mean shipping or released or finished? Or does it mean that they will have a fairly decent beta that they plan to show off at the show?
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downix wrote:
Relax guys, this message is being taken far too extreme. It was a warning due to a french reseller claiming that AOS4 would be shipping in March, when it's release date would be announced in march. A simple clarification to try and not cause a major situation later on.
AOS4 is a major project, and is near a year from completion at least from the way things look. Don't expect anything else for a long time now.
Till then, please feel free to troll.
Obviously you do. Like I said, someone claiming to be Ben Yoris and have insider information is hardly proof of anything. Now stop feeding the rumour mongering.
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@Coder: now you can take off your bucket Paul
I think she is reffering to The_Editor or am I wrong? I confused the girlfriends! :-P
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Naaah.
Written with arrogance. It's fake!
Burn Heretics! Hexens! Quakes! HereticsII! :-D
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NDAs protecting the facts, so just let's presume OS4 lacks 68K static/JIT emulation completely, along with many other key elements... Then what?
If I were an AmigaONE owner, I'd care little about that. They work on the "thing" hard, and that'd be enough for me.
Nerves at their limits, right? Just cool down and relax, and rethink everything.
Even being an aspiring Pegasos owner, I'd say if you have chosen the AmigaONE/OS4 then have a little faith in yourself and those behind it. Hyperion never stated it's ready, they were careful, unlike Amiga Inc. Inc stated it as ready many many times... Then what? I mean it's pretty unfair of you all. They do their best - it was you raised false hopes, and believed everythiung from Inc. Hyperion and Eyetech made mistakes well, but made everything to correct their errors, and made serious efforts to get things done.
Just as I told in somewhere about revolutions - people get upset when things seem to become better.
Going the Pegasos way I still think that having an AmigaONE and OS4 is not a bad choice. Have a little more faith. So far, no one intentionally lied to you on this subject from Hyperion (I'd know if they did) and I respect that. Have a little respect yourself. For people having to complete an immense task.
My 2 cents...
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What's up with the alias?
Actually, the cult of "De Fluffiga Rosa Kaninerna" (The Fluffy Pink Bunnies) has its roots in the very northern parts of Sweden. Everything began with a calm and peaceful fishing trip, and then all h*ll broke lose. The rest is, as they say, history!
So, what I am more interested in, than the subject of this particular thread, is where, why and how you came up with that alias of yours "PinkBunnyOfDeath"? I'm more than merely curious... believe me...
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That`s all folks!!
Now i`m going to sleep a bit.
good night!!!
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So...
Come on,people.Let`s feed this thread a little bit.
we can make it better,so,blame Hyperion,eyetech,Ainc.
Blame they for not releasing info.
Blame for releasing bad calculated releasedates.
Blame if they don`t release a features list.
Blame if they release a features list that aren`t
supossedly ready yet as a finished features.
Blame if...
Well.Blame they. I suppose that we do not have something
better to do at the moment.
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Amiga, Inc. said they would have the launch of OS4 at CeBit in March. Does launch mean shipping or released or finished?
Launching a product is releasing a product, I seriously wonder how it could possibly interpreted differently. The OS4 announcement was made quite some time ago now, the final feature set was recently locked, how could the launch on CeBit just be an announcement of an unfinished product? How could their global AmigaOne & OS4 marketing campaign throughout 2003 only be about a product that isn't ready for release yet? I'm sorry but what some guys are implying in this thread simply doesn't make sense. It's just another speculative rumour based on yet another claim of "insider information". We've heard it all before. Move along folks, nothing to see here...
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Who said it would be ready in March?
Amiga said it would be ready way BEFORE march.
I said at the time, the wording was not clear, and as we got close to March with no product released, that the apologists would re-interpret what was said to mean that Amiga, Inc. could release AFTER March.
No one believed me at the time, but we've seen this happen over and over again. Amiga, Inc. said that March was just the official launch of OS 4...that it could be released WAY BEFORE MARCH.
Not after, before....repeat after me, not after, before.
I said people would re-interpret the announcement.....
mutter....grumble...grumble....mutter mutter.....
:-P :-P :-P
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Take a look at the links, note the in stock date...
I'm not saying this is reliable, just pointing it out for general interest.
Amiga OS 4.0 for Blizzard PPC (http://www.kdh-amiga-shop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=673&products_model=)
Amiga OS 4.0 for Cyberstorm PPC (http://www.kdh-amiga-shop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=361&products_model=)
Also, check KDH's main page for arrival dates for the SEG3 and XEG4 @800 Mhz.
P.S. Could we keep this topic down to less than 8 pages? If it needs more start a new topic.
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And by doing so, Amiga, Inc. separated the terms of Launch and Release from each other. IE, make them not mean the same thing. Therefore, if not released before CeBit Launch could be released at anytime after that.
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@argo
If you had ever watched KDH pages before you would have noticed that this announced relelase date must be at least 10th they have now given. I have come to conclusion they don't actually have a clue of real product schedules but announce those dates to keep clients happy and waiting. :-x
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P.S. Could we keep this topic down to less than 8 pages? If it needs more start a new topic.
Since it is 00:49 Central European Time I bet they wont make any statements, so lets wait till tomorrow. Maybe they didn`t seen the topic yet in any of the Amigowebsites or they trying to contact first Yoris to resolve this question.
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That's basically my point. We haven't a clue.
What comes it what comes when it comes.
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Actually, I was referring to known serverissues. Probably should have mentioned that.
It's just that over 8, going on 10 pages the server CPU load gets abit high and can tend to slow things down. At 14-16 pages, it's quite sluggish.
Not to mention, I'm not sure this is going anywhere anyway.
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Pity.
I really feel for the people suckered in to buying overpriced and way way underpowered Linux boxes. Broken ones at that ("Disable DMA to use your Hard Drive...").
Shoulda gone Macintosh, guys.
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No, it's a pity some people are so easily fooled into believeing every rumour they hear or read about.
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If the delay is true they should quit calling these systems "Amiga's". Every one they sell hurts Amiga's reputation a little more. They should call them Amiga-compatible Eyetech Linux systems.
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samface wrote:
No, it's a pity some people are so easily fooled into believeing every rumour they hear or read about.
Well.. IHMO Hyperion can blame themselves for most of this. They did lot's of Hype during last year about how great it'll be .. And made (mostly by Ben Hermans) lot's of promices how ready OS4 is ... And then this all stopped suddenly months ago. (happened well before Aachen.. Was it an october or so?)
Since then (4 months?), all there have been few screenshots (of 68k running version I'm been told) and Feature list. So, in the end. They may have this finished (and unreleased) product in their shelves or not. Personally I belive they would have shown it to public if they had something Demoeable.
I may well be wrong here but I got this feeling that community (at least most of them) will not wait much longer. Of course there are allways some who will wait at the end of the world, but those are not big number.
What I expect to see soon is some clever damage control from Hyperion. I surely hope it includes nice public demo of OS4. :-)
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I really think its possible OS4 wont be out this year... (possible) look at how long it took MOS to get developed....
If OS4 is done this year I give Hyperion alot of credit.
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I seriously think that some so called Amigans watch too much Bold and the Beautiful and Days of our lives.
Where is the proof that OS4 will take till the end of the year? Speculation and rumour is NOT FACT, it's just speculation and rumour. I for one trust Hyperion more than some rumour mongers that seem to get "new news" spread around without an ounce of fact.
Those in the know would be under NDA anyway and they wouldn't be allowed to spread such crap. If they did, then I think they'd be in trouble. I have a friend who is under NDA and an Amiga developer and I can tell you, that no prompting etc will ever get him to break his NDA. The comment he always says is"Just wait and see". Nothing more and nothing less.
Like I said, I'll trust Hyperion and Amiga over any rumour monger. This won't cost me. If, and thats a BIG IF, nothing comes of the OS4 and AmigaOne (although the later is almost here), I'll just stick to playing around with my A4000 and OS3.9.
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I notice a lot of SHOUTED BANNER HEADLINES have turned
up on the front page on many diverse topics. Are people that starved
for attention or is it just one dude with a broken caps lock key?
I would put a smiley here rolling its eyes but it couldn't spin
round fast enough.
( edit - removed a lot of sarcasm which would have just kept this
topic alive )
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Launching a product is releasing a product, I seriously wonder how it could possibly interpreted differently.
Launching a product means that your're stepping up the marketing (having parties for developers, starting marketing campaigns and all that) for the product before the release . The actual release usually comes a bit later (usually within a month). If Hyperion actually launching OS4 at CeBit they should be able to release it soon after or they'll be in big trouble. They certainly can't wait till the end of the year, if they will have commited PR suicide.