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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: 0amigan0 on August 06, 2009, 06:12:06 PM
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What DID YOU see 20 years ago (or so) when u saw "The Amiga" ??
What do u think today's kids will see if they take a look at Os4 or Morphos or Aros ??
They will see a bunch of fanatics who fight for whom will be more Amiga-ish than the other, without a decent web browser (no, OWB is not comparable to firefox, sorry guys)!
If this is what remained of the Commodore Amiga, then I prefer to quit from this so-called community.
This is my last post in an amiga forum (no, I won't be back)!
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Thanks?
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Seemed like a nice chap at first :hammer:
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IMHO, Amiga is what "you" make it. What ever flavor it be, classic, emulated or whatever.
...and I really don't think you are concerned for today's kids opinions on a lack of decent web browsers on what is now basicly a hobby system.
Ta-Ta.
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Hah, they younger generation is so obsessed with themselves, iPhones, iPods, iTunes, etc. It's just all i, i, i with them.
What DID YOU see 20 years ago (or so) when u saw "The Amiga" ??
What do u think today's kids will see if they take a look at Os4 or Morphos or Aros ??
They will see a bunch of fanatics who fight for whom will be more Amiga-ish than the other, without a decent web browser (no, OWB is not comparable to firefox, sorry guys)!
If this is what remained of the Commodore Amiga, then I prefer to quit from this so-called community.
This is my last post in an amiga forum (no, I won't be back)!
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owb is not like firefox?????? oh my god!
Well, all opinions are valid but... this is (spartaaaa) trolling.
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What DID YOU see 20 years ago (or so) when u saw "The Amiga" ??
An A600 playing Street Fighter II.
Bye!!
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Sooo... what else is up, guys?
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An A600 playing Street Fighter II.
Bye!!
You saw an A600 in 1989? This puzzles me.
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You saw an A600 in 1989? This puzzles me.
No. It was 92. I was 9.
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I prefer to quit from this so-called community.
This is my last post in an amiga forum (no, I won't be back)!
so what? sure i will not cry, i'm busy now installing the new morphos 2.3!!!
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Well, you have an interesting point. And one I more or less subscribed to in recent years. But I've sort of come around.
I first read of the Amiga in an early 1985 issue of Personal Computing magazine. It blew me away. I was in the process of attempting to sell my Apple //c (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/2375406305/in/set-72157604316614196/) to get an original Macintosh (128K). I was already a computer freak at the time (I was 12 years old), and switched gears - I was now selling it in prep for the Amiga's release. I looked thru that magazine every day for months.
But the months rolled past. (Time passes rather slowly at such an age, I've come to realize, here at the ripe old age of 37.) So, I got that Mac in late September. I loved it.
For two days.
For, just two days after getting it I went into a local dealership and saw an Amiga on display. It was the unit that we would come to call the Amiga 1000, but it was just "Amiga," back then, really.
The next day, I returned the Mac and got on the order list for Amiga. At the end of October, it arrived. I got the first one sold by the store. They were the first Amiga dealers in Virginia (USA). I got the first Amiga (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/2372230821/in/set-72157621596272210/) sold in the state of Virginia, late October 1985.
I love it. It blew me away. It was like sex, or something better. But there were no apps. For months. Finally, amazingly, I sold it for an Apple IIe (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/2379175662/in/set-72157609631794748/). One of the biggest mistakes of my life. I talk more about it here (http://www.bytecellar.com/archives/000125.php).
In '89 I came back to the Amiga, with an Amiga 2000 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/2371261181/in/set-72157604299491786/). I had amazing fun with it. Then, a few years later, I left it for the Mac (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/2378337799/in/set-72157604338323127/). But was back soon with an Amiga 1200 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/2371516217/in/set-72157604300573758/) when it first debuted. Then it was off to PC land (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/2386025958/in/set-72157604338323127/) for me (though, to my credit, my first PC was fabricated to run NEXTSTEP for Intel).
In recent years I put together a few Amiga 1200 towers (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/2371484415/in/set-72157604300573758/) with '060 accelerators -- to run demos mainly. I wanted to like AmigaOS 3.9, but it was just too sluggish and un-modern on the stock hardware, despite the '060. I planned to get a new gfx card, but then I needed a busboard to do that, and yadda yadda -- it was just too much. So, I've been using my 1200 '060 as a machine for demos and a few games. I still have an Amiga 2000 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/sets/72157604299491786/) around that I use more for games.
(In case you haven't grasped it, I've owned a few machines (http://www.blakespot.com/list) in my time...)
In the last month, I saw a near-mint Amiga 1000 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/sets/72157621596272210/) on eBay. Long wanting one, I grabbed it. It's in wonderful condition. I've got a 2MB / SCSI expansion module (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/3735654223/in/set-72157621596272210/) on it and a 1GB HD hooked up - and just got the format / driver disk this afternoon - will get the HD working tonight. I've loved playing with it.
It got me back in the Amiga state of mind.
So I saw a few refs to these SAM boards on this site, and I took another look at the state of AmigaOS. 4.1. YouTube videos, sshots, etc. Looks nice. These SAM boards will run AmigaOS 4.1 quite well. I read more and more and then finally I saw J Reimer's writeup of AmigaOS 4.1 (http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2008/09/amigaos41-ars.ars) on Ars. Last paragraph reads like this:
Whatever the ultimate fate of AmigaOS, it has been a privilege and a joy to use it. I still use my AmigaOne on a daily basis, and consider it my "fun computer." Whenever Windows or OS X annoys me, it's right there, fast and friendly and accessible. It feels like a personal computer in ways that computers haven't felt like in over a decade.
That just captures it, really. I run OS X and love it and love my Macs. They are and will be my "main" machines. But I want to feel a little of that spirit from the old days. It seems "the new Amiga" will give me this. Chasing that feeling is what my computer room (http://www.bytecellar.com/qtvr.html) is all about. It's just great fun.
I can't wait to spend time with my new Amiga. As well as more time with my old. And I'll certainly be showing it to my daughter when she gets old enough, and telling her what the Amiga has meant to me, over the years.
So, it seems I've just come back as you're leaving for good. However it works out, I hope you enjoy things where you're headed.
blakespot
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If this is what remained of the Commodore Amiga, then I prefer to quit from this so-called community.
This is my last post in an amiga forum (no, I won't be back)!
What a great loss to the Amiga community.
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This is my last post in an amiga forum (no, I won't be back)!
Don't let the door hit you in the A** on the way out.
;)
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your welcoime.... just watch it so you dont hit your head on your way out...
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Now I know what the zeros at the start and end of your nick mean. Bye!
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so what? sure i will not cry, i'm busy now installing the new morphos 2.3!!!
Morphos 2.3 released! this notice should be in the news page, but talking about crying peoples post is a waste of time.
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This is my last post in an amiga forum (no, I won't be back)!
Is that a promise, a threat or both?
Either way ..
(http://xs142.xs.to/xs142/09324/good_bye855.jpg)
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What DID YOU see 20 years ago (or so) when u saw "The Amiga" ??
I saw a cool machine that did everything the others couldn't yet do. And I bought one because it was cool and had awesome games. Later on I started to use apps, first I used it only for games & demos.
What do u think today's kids will see if they take a look at Os4 or Morphos or Aros ??
They will see a bunch of fanatics who fight for whom will be more Amiga-ish than the other, without a decent web browser (no, OWB is not comparable to firefox, sorry guys)!
They will (if they are smart) see how it is to get old. How you grasp on to the past and wanting even to change the past (living in denial) so it suits you best. To change the past so that Amiga finally wins over PC, because that was what every Amiga user wanted back then. How the fanatics are holding on to it so tight that you won't even see what's happening around you in the other PC/Mac /Linux world.
If this is what remained of the Commodore Amiga, then I prefer to quit from this so-called community.
No it is not was remained of Commodore Amiga.Commodore and Amiga died. Period. What remained of Amiga is on eBay or sites like it. What you can choose from today is "Amiga wannabees", just face that fact none of them are more Amiga than the other. That's just an imagination, grasping the past, believing "we made it, we are doing just great, PC didn't kill us".
This is my last post in an amiga forum (no, I won't be back)!
It's your decision, I'd say you are waaaaaay too serious about "Amiga", your almost making me believe we have time-warped into the late 90's again.
PS. Funny you wanted to name yourself "Amigan". I used Amigas as much as average "Amigan" over there, but I won't call myself "amigan", I feel there's just too much negativity around that word if you ask me. I was an Amiga user, not amigan.
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This kind of thing was well illustrated for me yesterday when I was driving down the road in the company vehicle waiting for oncoming traffic to cease so I could turn right as the last car came past and I was about to turn this youth in a crappy car with a car full of other youths gives me this look like you know here's going to turn and not give way... (in NZ people turning left give way to those turning right)
I don't get road rage I just find comfort in thinking about the sticky ends people meet while they endevour to always push boundries or pull pranks... time is a great equalizer and eventually if you seriously don't grow up at some stage you will get whats coming to you one way or another or one form or another...
and that feeling is priceless and way better than thinking you're winning at that moment...
btw blakespot, that was a great post.
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btw blakespot, that was a great post.
Thank you.
blakespot
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@0amigan0
I haven't followed your posts, so I don't know your opinions or why you have only made 75 posts since you joined in Dec 2006. This is your choice and it is your right to leave if you wish.
In answer to your questions ...
When I saw the Amiga in the late 1980's I was quite impressed and purchased an Amiga 2000HD. At the time I could not afford to get an accelerator card, so I used it with the 68000 CPU. This was a great computer for a young family. My son was about 2 years old when we got that machine and he used it too.
Even though we moved on to Windows machines for general computing, I contined to use the Amiga 2000HD computer for almost 20 years.
Near the end of 2004, I purchased my next generation "Amiga-like" system and upgraded from AmigaOS 3.1 to the new operating system. It was new and colourful and yet immediately familiar and usable right out of the box. I could run Final Writer 97 and IBrowse and AWeb as well as some programs I could never have run on my old system without an accelerator card.
For me, it is partly nostalgia and partly a wish to do things my own way. I remember when computing was fun. It is a real joy for me to use my special "Amiga" system at home after using my Windows machine on the corporate network at work all day. My "Amiga" boots up quickly and I am surfing the internet before the Windows machines are even finished booting up into Windows XP. I use OWB more often now than Internet Explorer or Firefox.
My son and wife have no interest at all in the "Amiga-like" systems. They like the mainstream systems. My son also has an iPod Touch and various games machines. I think these internet enabled devices are quite cool, but I don't use them very often.
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redfox
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I think you have to understand the times back in the 80's when there weren't computer stores on every corner, and for good or ill (mostly ill) the peecee is the default standard. Back then, a home computer was something new, not just the appliance of today.
When I first heard of the Amiga, it was still the secret Loraine prototype. But what I head from folks who knew things was cool.... a desktop computer capable of "Saturday morning TV quality animation". I wanted one... and finally got a 1000 when they came out. ... Still own it. While I think that "Saturday morning" thing was somewhat exagerated, it was light years ahead of the stuff I was doing on the Atari 800.
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What DID YOU see 20 years ago (or so) when u saw "The Amiga" ??
Hi,
I saw a strange computer that drew my interest.
What do u think today's kids will see if they take a look at Os4 or Morphos or Aros ??
HI,
Probably nothing, they don't know anything except winblows, some may know Linux, but most are just to lazy and generally go with the crowd like a bunch of sheep.
They will see a bunch of fanatics who fight for whom will be more Amiga-ish than the other, without a decent web browser (no, OWB is not comparable to firefox, sorry guys)!
HI,
Back when the Amiga first came out there was no web, just phone modems and BBS boards so it really doesn't bother me. I like the Amiga for what it can do, and I lke hot rodding it to see how far I can make it go. Sometimes I even try to write a program, it is lots of fun without the cost.
If this is what remained of the Commodore Amiga, then I prefer to quit from this so-called community.
HI,
Then so be it, tata, have a nice PC life.
This is my last post in an amiga forum (no, I won't be back)!
Hi,
Don't prove yourself wrong, because I will be waiting to call you a dirty rotten liar, if you come back
smerf
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I kinda get where he's coming from.
When you have expectations that cant be met it's very easy to become frustrated and embittered.
Because of what the Amiga was in the past, some would like the scene to be more than it is now. It's a bit like expecting a model train club to band together and build a real steam train. Even if you somehow got it to happen, it would still be a steam train in a diesel train world.
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I think we all handle the aha moment where our brains finally tell our hearts that "it ain't coming back" differently. Some of us get bitter, some of use accept it and continue to enjoy our hobby.
WE do need to take ourselves with a sense of humour, we're all that's left, there aren't going to be more of us, so just smile, it's all good, morphos, 4.1, 3.9 and so on, and enjoy. It's an escape from an age where the computer is a tool to an age with it was so much more. I can do a 1000 things on my MacPro that I couldn't dream of on my Amiga but it's the Amiga that still puts a smile on my face.
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Parts of this thread kind of remind me of what Amiga became :lol:
I agree with Persia though, no dual core windows box puts a smile on my face the way the Amiga does. ( Or a comparable hole in my wallet )
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Quote from Persia:
"It's an escape from an age where the computer is a tool to an age with it was so much more. I can do a 1000 things on my MacPro that I couldn't dream of on my Amiga but it's the Amiga that still puts a smile on my face."
Same here for me too!
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Persia >> So what you are saying is, we should do what every one else is doing and call at iAmiga.... whats up with that stupid "i" anyway?
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Reading the first post made me reflect a little. I feel the same as the original poster - "the amiga I have infront of me today does not give me the same emotions it used to give me when I was 10 up to 15!". However I do not think Amiga is to blame, rather it is the fact that we have grown up - at least some of us.
Yesterday I spent an hour playing an old game I used to play for hours and hours - I was going to get crazy because it was taking so long to load after each turn.
However the fact is not that the A500+ is taking long, but rather the fact that I got accustomed to the fast processing power of the new PC.
I would really like to have those emotions back ... however time (so far) only has one direction and we can not do anything to go the other way round - if anyone knows how to do this, please do let me know ;) :P
Regards,
Sim085
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Even if you somehow got it to happen, it would still be a steam train in a diesel train world.
Yes, and due to the present preoccupation with electrifying the UK networks, it will soon be in an electric train only world :lol:
At least some of the train controllers have a 68k cpu :afro:
Now, what was this thread about again? Was it "My Amiga's old and I don't like it anymore ?" It may be time to sit down, relax, and have a pint :drink:Oh, and come back here, because its a good place to be :razz:
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We've all got annoyed with our machines. I remember installing Class Act years ago and for some reason it trashed my A1200. As I was trying to fix it even the click of the disk drive annoyed me.
The Amiga is no longer the cutting edge, but so what! It's nice to be able to do the things modern PCs can do such as web browsing, MP3 playing and the like on a 16 year old OS (I use Workbench 3.1)
It's great using WHDLoad to play games and the 10 second reboot time rules! Amigas are/were cool so why not just enjoy?!?
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...They will see a bunch of fanatics who fight for whom will be more Amiga-ish than the other, without a decent web browser...This is my last post in an amiga forum (no, I won't be back)!
why such anger? Amiga today has an updated OS in 4.1 and actually has a few hardware options in the Sam boards too!! Morph, Aros..whatever the variant they still stem from AmigaOS & hopefully all these variants will help the overall Amiga OS in years to come...have fun & play with your Amiga (from a 1000 to a Sam/Morph etc....it still will make you smile) :-)