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Offline eliyahu

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #195 on: March 22, 2018, 04:16:08 PM »
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Offline kolla

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #196 on: March 22, 2018, 04:35:03 PM »
Quote from: grond;837643
Unfortunately this is not possible since Hyperion cannot do any business due to their status as dissolved entity.
Not being allowed to sell products is not the same as not being allowed to hire and do R&D.Btw - how is Apollo Team doing in this regard? Registered entity that is selling properly tested and approved products for the end user (most users) market? Or are the Vampire cards sold as "developer boards" to "developers"?
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Offline grond

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #197 on: March 22, 2018, 04:49:08 PM »
Quote from: kolla;837653
Not being allowed to sell products is not the same as not being allowed to hire and do R&D
 Since when has "doing business" become to exclusively mean "sell products"?  
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Btw - how is Apollo Team doing in this regard? Registered entity that is selling properly tested and approved products for the end user (most users) market? Or are the Vampire cards sold as "developer boards" to "developers"?

As you know the Apollo Team isn't selling Vampire boards, it is developing a core that is used on Vampire boards.
 

Offline PPC

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #198 on: March 22, 2018, 05:06:45 PM »
Quote from: kolla;837653
How is Apollo Team doing in this regard? Registered entity that is selling properly tested and approved products for the end user (most users) market? Or are the Vampire cards sold as "developer boards" to "developers"?


The boards where CE certified quite some time ago already.
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Offline kolla

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #199 on: March 22, 2018, 08:12:54 PM »
Quote from: grond;837654
Since when has "doing business" become to exclusively mean "sell products"?


Are you saying Hyperion are making money by other means than selling products?

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As you know the Apollo Team isn't selling Vampire boards, it is developing a core that is used on Vampire boards.


No, I really don't know where "Apollo Team" stops and "Vampire Team" begins - it's all a big blurry mess. http://www.apollo-accelerators.com - lists at the bottom "Team", without specifying whether it is "Apollo Team" or something else, but it certainly includes "Apollo Team" members. I would even go as far as to say it includes the _entire_ Apollo Team.
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Offline kolla

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #200 on: March 22, 2018, 08:19:26 PM »
Quote from: PPC;837656
The boards where CE certified quite some time ago already.

Anyone can slap a CE marking on their product - it is a claim by manufacturer, not an approval by any official.
It is not by any means a certification.

By marking the Vampire with CE, the manufacturer takes all responsibilities in case any of the required standards are not met though, so the "Vampire Team" better know what they are doing... if someone actually tests the cards for compliance, and find that they do not meet the requirements, manufacturer and resellers are the ones with all responsibility, or in other words, deep poop.
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Offline PPC

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #201 on: March 22, 2018, 08:40:45 PM »
Quote from: kolla;837661
Anyone can slap a CE marking on their product - it is a claim by manufacturer, not an approval by any official.
It is not by any means a certification.

By marking the Vampire with CE, the manufacturer takes all responsibilities in case any of the required standards are not met though, so the "Vampire Team" better know what they are doing... if someone actually tests the cards for compliance, and find that they do not meet the requirements, manufacturer and resellers are the ones with all responsibility, or in other words, deep poop.


It's not a slapped on CE marking, it's all done official well over a year ago.
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Offline kolla

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #202 on: March 22, 2018, 09:09:54 PM »
Quote from: PPC;837662
It's not a slapped on CE marking, it's all done official well over a year ago.

Yes, I remember that, it doesn't change the fact that there is no such thing as "CE certification" though. CE is a _claim_ by manufacturer and resellers that the product satisfies a whole range of requirements.
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Offline Neuf

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #203 on: March 22, 2018, 11:49:36 PM »
Olaf Schoenweiss in one of the next posts has it correct. After I learned about Apollo OS I made inquiries last year and basically got the same result They simply won't be bothered looking for people they've lost contact with and as a result they won't transfer any rights. By the way it is a situation where all rights are transferred or none are
 

Offline guibrush

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #204 on: March 23, 2018, 06:25:00 AM »
Quote from: kolla;837665
Yes, I remember that, it doesn't change the fact that there is no such thing as "CE certification" though. CE is a _claim_ by manufacturer and resellers that the product satisfies a whole range of requirements.
Okay, so even you perfectly know that the team has done the certification measures officially, you write a sentence suggesting to the readers of this thread that this is not the case and that there is cheating? Your level of intellectual mischief fascinates me from day to day.
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Offline grond

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #205 on: March 23, 2018, 06:41:23 AM »
Quote from: Neuf;837672
After I learned about Apollo OS I made inquiries last year and basically got the same result They simply won't be bothered looking for people they've lost contact with and as a result they won't transfer any rights.


So they don't care and neither allow nor prohibit copying of 3.9, at least not if no money is charged for the copy. That's what I would consider abandonware.
 

Offline psxphill

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #206 on: March 23, 2018, 07:01:53 AM »
Quote from: grond;837654
As you know the Apollo Team isn't selling Vampire boards, it is developing a core that is used on Vampire boards.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Gunnar is standing on a street corner selling Vampire boards, any more than Bill Gates sold Microsoft Products.

Interview with Gunnar from the Vampire Team.

http://theretrohour.com/sinclair-spectrum-in-2016-and-amiga-vampire-updates-the-retro-hour-ep34/

While he points out that he only does the core, at 16:30 he says "We started to sell vampires last Christmas" and he uses "Our" and "We as a team" when referring to the standalone boards.

So if there is a legal separation between Apollo and Vampire then it's very unclear and confuses Gunnar himself. Which makes me think that you are wrong.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2018, 07:10:50 AM by psxphill »
 

Offline guibrush

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #207 on: March 23, 2018, 07:50:34 AM »
Trolling is definitely an art. I think we found our guests for the next dinners on Wednesday night.
 

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Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #208 on: March 23, 2018, 09:23:22 AM »
Quote from: grond;837678
So they don't care and neither allow nor prohibit copying of 3.9, at least not if no money is charged for the copy. That's what I would consider abandonware.
First of all, it is not up to you to decide what has been abandoned or not. Second, a software that is for sale in a shop is certainly nothing I would call "abandoned". Just because you like it to be so does not make this true.
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #209 on: March 23, 2018, 09:42:55 AM »
Quote from: grond;837678
So they don't care and neither allow nor prohibit copying of 3.9, at least not if no money is charged for the copy. That's what I would consider abandonware.

ApolloOS is highly illegal from a legal point of view

To find copyright owners and get approval, examine documentations regarding distribution and so on is a lot of work. That is expecially true for former commercial software. I would estimate at least 40% of time is needed for that. To say I do not give a %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! on laws and simply ignore it saves a lot of time. Cinema4D f.e. what was included is still sold and not abandonware (of course not for amiga and reprogrammed not based on the old sources). So team members should not promote ApolloOS in public to not make them attackable in a legal sense. Vampire is if you look how many devices are sold something commercial so rules and laws have to be accepted. How much profit you do with it is not important.