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Offline kolla

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #180 on: March 22, 2018, 12:53:09 PM »
Quote from: OlafS3;837614
you just nerve, you are aware of

do us a favor and search for another hobby


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Offline kolla

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #181 on: March 22, 2018, 12:55:21 PM »
Quote from: grond;837611
Now that you put it this way, the Apollo Team seems even cooler.


Yeah, they are super cool... breaking the law, breaking the law!
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Offline Lord Aga

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #182 on: March 22, 2018, 12:55:41 PM »
Quote from: kolla;837619
You know perfectly well what I mean - Apollo Core  comes from a round planet. Do they exist?


Fixed :)
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Offline kolla

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #183 on: March 22, 2018, 12:56:36 PM »
Quote from: PPC;837603

Now the question is can there be a legitimate way to offer users the same as with coffin/Apollo OS whatever.
For starters i would be very happy to pay for such a product saves me a ton of work!


Simple - Hyperion hires Tuko to work with ThoR and Olsen. :laughing:
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Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #184 on: March 22, 2018, 01:02:58 PM »
Quote from: grond;837610
And since it is technically impossible to recreate such CDs from one original copy, this must be taken as proof that the copy is legitimate?

Which type of answer do you actually expect? If you buy computer hardware in a shop, and you want it repaired under warranty, you need a legal document showing that you bought the hardware. It is commonly accepted that a receipt will do so. So, the "legallly correct way" to ensure that you own a 3.9 copy is: Have your receipt ready. Is this good enough for you?

Now, this, of course, makes it rather hard to verify ownership by technical means, right?
So, what else should I do? I'm not spending my day verifying Os 3.9 receipts. I can only, by all the means I have, tell people: Please, have your 3.9 ready, get the original files from the CD, then appy the patch. That is as much verification I can do, without too much hassle.

Apparently, asking people to be honest seems to be asking too much these days? Oh, right, I'm talking to a lawer, that's why....

Once again: The shell patch is only for owners of 3.9. This is not a free distribution for everyone. If you want 3.9, go buy it in a shop. Got it?
 

Offline PPC

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #185 on: March 22, 2018, 01:03:31 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;837609
3.1.4 is supposed to become that, or at least, the "core of such a system" in the sense that includes the necessary core components that allow extension by third parties to their likings. The problem is that 3.9 consisted of various third party contributions that are out of reach. 3.1.4 will not contain any third party contributions, just the Os core.

So, for example, there are sufficient rights to include newer versions of workbench, icon, setpatch, FFS and a lot of other stuff, but Reaction is a H&P inhouse development H&P holds rights on, and for that reason, it cannot be included. So there is a lot of work going on backporting or extending 3.1 components to work without such contributions to the Os.

Doing it right is of course a lot more painful than just stealing what you want... Yes, you can still buy 3.9, so please no arguments in this direction. It is an accessible product.


Thomas,

What i mean is can these rights be transferred, would H&P let those go, it's not part of their core business anymore, and i cannot imagine it generates a substantial part of their income.
In short, if talked to H&P would they transfer those copyrights and the sources for a symbolic amount of money.
So we can get out of this limbo and would save guys like you a whole lot of work.
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Offline grond

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #186 on: March 22, 2018, 01:16:44 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;837626
So, the "legallly correct way" to ensure that you own a 3.9 copy is: Have your receipt ready.

To whom would I show the receipt?
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #187 on: March 22, 2018, 01:24:36 PM »
Quote from: PPC;837627
Thomas,

What i mean is can these rights be transferred, would H&P let those go, it's not part of their core business anymore, and i cannot imagine it generates a substantial part of their income.
In short, if talked to H&P would they transfer those copyrights and the sources for a symbolic amount of money.
So we can get out of this limbo and would save guys like you a whole lot of work.


I was in contact with Mr. Haage some time ago, to me he looked to say it polite "not very interested in amiga anymore". Even worse as far as I know they left the market not with good feelings. Also 3.9 is partly licensed so he would have to sorted out where he still has copyrights and where components are licensed. We talk about something 20 years ago so I am not sure if they still have all the documents anymore and even if why should they invest lots of time in it just to please a couple of users and not getting any money for it.
 

Offline grond

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #188 on: March 22, 2018, 03:28:55 PM »
Quote from: kolla;837624
Simple - Hyperion hires Tuko to work with ThoR and Olsen.

Unfortunately this is not possible since Hyperion cannot do any business due to their status as dissolved entity.
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #189 on: March 22, 2018, 03:42:30 PM »
Quote from: OlafS3;837630
I was in contact with Mr. Haage some time ago, to me he looked to say it polite "not very interested in amiga anymore". Even worse as far as I know they left the market not with good feelings. Also 3.9 is partly licensed so he would have to sorted out where he still has copyrights and where components are licensed. We talk about something 20 years ago so I am not sure if they still have all the documents anymore and even if why should they invest lots of time in it just to please a couple of users and not getting any money for it.

Meh.  Tell him I'll give him a thousand bucks for it.  How much could it really be worth, anyway?  That's probably more than they've made in the past decade off it.  I wonder if Vesalia is still tossing them a few bucks for each (presumably legal) CD they sell?

Reminds me off something off the Usenet days, when someone bought something just because they could.  I remember it being something pretty funny, but I can't remember what or who.  Which I guess renders that story a little bit less funny. :lol: :(
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guest11527

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Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #190 on: March 22, 2018, 03:45:05 PM »
Quote from: PPC;837627
In short, if talked to H&P would they transfer those copyrights and the sources for a symbolic amount of money.
So we can get out of this limbo and would save guys like you a whole lot of work.
Look, I tried to reach out for H&P, and didn't get a response. But sure, you are welcome to try your luck as well.
 

guest11527

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Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #191 on: March 22, 2018, 03:45:41 PM »
Quote from: grond;837628
To whom would I show the receipt?
You still don't get it, right? I mean the part about "being honest"?
 

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Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #192 on: March 22, 2018, 03:46:36 PM »
Quote from: grond;837643
Unfortunately this is not possible since Hyperion cannot do any business due to their status as dissolved entity.

Again spreading false rumours, right? So, where did you get this from?
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #193 on: March 22, 2018, 03:50:17 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;837647
Again spreading false rumours, right? So, where did you get this from?

that was the big topic recent days

f.e.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=42473&forum=16&viewmode=flat&order=0
 

Offline grond

Re: Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators
« Reply #194 on: March 22, 2018, 04:12:53 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;837646
I mean the part about "being honest"?

As in "honestly nobody cares"?