Public Release of MorphOS 2.5 & Introduction of eMac Support

[kolla]

Yay - does cbm ed work with muicon and syscon now?

[kolla]

If your registered hardware dies, and you can prove it ...

 As if that is any of their business. This hardware locking is pure nonsense and number one reason to not register. I do not see why I should have to chop up a perfectly functional macmini or sell it and reregister if I would want to run MorphOS on something else.

[kolla]

well I guess if the license was not tied to a single machine they would suffer alot from piracy mabe?

Yes, since the majority of MorphOS users are software pirates.

[kolla]

The price is a non-issue for me, it is the hardware locking that keeps me from registering. And piracy? Copying to friends computer? Get real, it might have been a problem 10 years ago, these days hardly anyone _want_ MorphOS in the first place, it's an oddity, like anything Amiga these days. Anyways, I suspect it wont be long before the need to register vanishes entirely, I doubt very much there will that many new registrations with 2.5 (on worse hardware) and reduced price.

[kolla]

While I recognize the same down sides as you do kolla, I must say that the MorphOS way (with Mac HW support and free download) beats the OS4 way by a magnitude.

I dont see the point in comparing OS4 and MorphOS, that is not the issue here.

It will be "their business" if you want to take advantage of the "warranty" built into the licensing scheme. If your HW breaks down, you discuss this with the MorphOS team, and you will get a new key file for your new HW.

Again, this is not the issue here. I would typically not have the hardware break down, but it would be very likely that I would want to for example rather run MorphOS on a 1.5GHz mini than the 1.42GHz one I have now, if I found one, and let the old run linux full time. MorphOS devs say I would have to go through all the hassle it is to find someone willing to buy the old one, pay the extra price to make up for the morphos license, and then buy yet another one to replace it. This is utter nonsense.

I'm not going to argue with you about it; take it or leave it (and it's the same for myself and everyone else).

Right, and I will leave it, or perhaps buy a license if there comes way to go around the locking.

MorphOS is the fastest NG OS.

Still a heck lot slower than UAE on modern PC, and doesnt really offer much over it either.

MorphOS is the most Amiga compatible NG OS.

Which is why I feel comfortable calling it a glorified emulator.

MorphOS has the best NG features and functionality of the NG OS's; it's the most competent OS, period!

It still is mostly stuck in the 90ies in terms of usability and features.

MorphOS currently runs on the fastest PPC hardware that any Amiga Program has come in contact with. *Mainstream* and readily available hardware!

Why is it important that it is PPC? Not like there is so much relevant amiga software that requires PPC.

MorphOS runs on the *best priced* hardware, and definitely with the best bang-for-the-buck ratio! This will be true even if some undefined "X1000" hardware would materialize.

You seem to live under the assumption that OS4 and MorphOS are the only options out there, and all your comparison is always against OS4. That is flawed.

Simply put: "MorphOS is Amiga done right! "

And you can try it for free!

There is lots of stuff in MorphOS that I don't like, so called "modern" interface choices that I find totally bogus, various shortcomings like the lack of proper arexx (where the official solution is to "pirate" from OS3.x), TCP stack that is like a 15+ year old artifact, a very limited desktop, rather crappy i18n and l10n etc.

Almost nothing Amiga has been "done right" since the fall of Commodore.

[kolla]

Everyone can download the latest version from the MorphOS website.

And yet hardly anyone do that. I might have a handfull of friends who have G4 minimac, and none of them have bothered to download MorphOS - why would they?

In old times when MorphOS 1.5 was leaked there apparently were mysterious "MorphOS betatesters" running MorphOS 1.5 they downloaded for free from somewhere. If you talked to right persons you could get image via /dcc on #morphos as well as on #aros or #amigaworld. Cant blame people when MorphOS was in such obscure state in those days, tho.

What do you mean "in those days"? It is not less obscure today.

Amiga was never done right at Commodore. Perhaps not since the fall of Commodore either but such is life.

So the conclusion is that Amiga was never done right.

[kolla]

@takemehomegrandma
Seems like you have a hard time understanding what I'm typing, since you keep using my own arguments against me. And as always you're pulling in OS4 - what is it with you and OS4?

From where do you get the idea that I think there is a market? Really, you don't make any sense. And all those smileys just make your postings look rather insane.

I have followed MorphOS since the start, and even back then I was all for the "break off and move on already" that was supposed to be the qbox. Not surprisingly that never happened - I suspect Laire would have wanted it to, but that most other devs were probably too much into improving abox, glorifying the emulator so to speak - I'm just guessing. And no, ofcourse I don't think MorphOS devs is out to "conquer the world" - what gave you that idea? The only one in the blue camp that ever's been out to "conqueror the world" was BBRV, and that was exactly why I never could stand the guy. Last hopes for "amiga ruling the world" probably vanished with Jim Collas.

And "copying to friends computer", that was a comment to what redrumloa wrote, what you mean with "And no, not ..." I have no idea.

So in short - no, I don't see your points.

[kolla]

How about the way Haiku is going?

What Haiku is doing makes sense, that contradicts the general rule of "the amiga way".

One can only hope that AROS as a project at some point might be able to do similar things. There were a couple of guys from FOSDEM who quite eagerly asked for AROS people to show up, but I don't think anyone went. And sadly, I dont think any of the "Amiga NG" systems have anything to show off at this point, being able to play full screen youtube doesn't really impress anyone.

[kolla]

Slashdotted

You wish.

[kolla]

Huh?

Clearly you do not know what Slashdotted means.

[kolla]

Other than appeal to our particular peculiarities and run our ageing software catalogue, is there anything practical that AmigaOS and it's various offshoots do  that linux can't ?

Nope.
And with the user interface changes done in MorphOS and OS4 - even less so.

[kolla]

Actually you will not have to compile a program, and you will not have to worry about figuring out where to put those library files. Unlike Linux, Amiga OS and it's clones are very user friendly as well as easy to use. Linux can't do that!

On linux I put them in /usr/local/lib, on MorphOS I can put them in sys:libs or sys:classes, except for those that are updates against those that come with morphos, then I have to put them in mossys:libs or mossys:classes, or put them in sys:libs or sys:classes, but rename those in respective mossys:libs and mossys:classes so that they wont be loaded. And these just some of the locations where libs might go.

[kolla]

Things get easier if you follow that simple and easy fact to not mess around with files in sys:morphos/.
Sure an old Amigan feels like he knows the system and isn't afraid to tinker around, but there is a good reason for that rule.

That's not a "fact", just a general rule.

Unfortunatly, in many cases you _have_ to mess around in sys:morphos - with 2.5 this has changed somewhat, since now more paths under sys: is also read automatically, read all about it in the update notes. Still, you have a library you want to use rather than the one in mossys:, updated mui classes, rexxsyslib.library or whatever - you quickly end up needing to change stuff in mossys:.  Not that I mind, most of the time I seem to have a clue on what I'm doing, since I have yet to break any systems.

And yes, I have altered the startup-sequence, removed all unneeded occuarances of >NIL:, lowered the failat value (rexxmast always exits 11 on morphos for some weird reason), shuffled around assigns, made my own c:mount wrapper that unmounts devices that are to be mounted but already exists (such as con), removed the resident lines for execute and assign (set the H flag on them instead), altered PATH, removed all the turboprint stuff I couldnt care less about, ditto for SDK etc.

I mean - this is why I would want an amiga system in the first place - I can tinker around with it as I am pleased, because it's a kind of system I know how to mess around with. :hammer: