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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: Piru on June 04, 2010, 12:49:58 AM
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The MorphOS development team is proud to announce the public release of MorphOS 2.5, the fifth new OS version since the debut of MorphOS 2.0 in the same month two years ago. MorphOS 2.5 finally adds the Apple eMac to its list of officially supported platforms. In addition to the extended hardware support, existing users will benefit from various bug fixes and a few new features. For an overview of the included changes, please read our release notes (http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes-2.5.html).
We strongly urge owners of eMac computers to carefully read our installation (http://www.morphos-team.net/installation.html) and troubleshoot (http://www.morphos-team.net/faq.html) guides before they attempt to install MorphOS for the first time. Existing users can upgrade via the familiar procedure but are encouraged to read the guides as well. MorphOS 2.5 is available for download in our files section (http://www.morphos-team.net/downloads.html).
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Coolness, but WAAAH!!! Where is Power Mac G4 support? I thought that would be first? :lol:
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Wow, eMacs are cheap!
http://computers.shop.ebay.com/Apple-Desktops-/111418/i.html?_nkw=emac+1.25&_catref=1&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282
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Actually this is a better search!
http://computers.shop.ebay.com/Apple-Desktops-/111418/i.html?_nkw=emac%201.25ghz&LH_BIN=1&_dmpt=Apple_Desktops&_fln=1&_sop=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m283 (http://computers.shop.ebay.com/Apple-Desktops-/111418/i.html?_nkw=emac%201.25ghz&LH_BIN=1&_dmpt=Apple_Desktops&_fln=1&_sop=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m283)
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Where is Power Mac G4 support?
In the pipeline. We didn't want to delay 2.5 any further (it was already delayed more than we anticipated).
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In the pipeline. We didn't want to delay 2.5 any further (it was already delayed more than we anticipated).
I'm just giving you a hard time! Good work! MorphOS is becoming very tempting again as the cost of entry is minimal...
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Yay - does cbm ed work with muicon and syscon now?
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Wow, eMacs are cheap!
http://computers.shop.ebay.com/Apple-Desktops-/111418/i.html?_nkw=emac+1.25&_catref=1&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282
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Actually this is a better search!
http://computers.shop.ebay.com/Apple-Desktops-/111418/i.html?_nkw=emac%201.25ghz&LH_BIN=1&_dmpt=Apple_Desktops&_fln=1&_sop=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m283
So are PowerMac G5's....
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So are PowerMac G5's....
Afaik G5 support is not planned. Right Piru?
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Wow, eMacs are cheap!
http://computers.shop.ebay.com/Apple-Desktops-/111418/i.html?_nkw=emac+1.25&_catref=1&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282
Yeah they are cheap, but those prices aren't even the cheapest I have seen. In fact, I have seen many eMacs priced at well below $100 and some below $50 US dollars. Even though some people still complain about the price of a MorphOS license, how can anyone not realize the excellent performance they can get for a very small price by getting a G4 eMac or MacMini and a MorphOS2.5 license key to run their Amiga programs and MorphOS specific PPC programs. With E-UAE for MorphOS they can even run all their old hardware banging Amiga games.
For the curious Amiga users that just want to check out MorphOS, they can now buy a very cheap G4 eMac (if they are lucky they might find one for less than $50 US dollars, or even for free) and then download the demo version of MorphOS2.5 that runs without any restrictions for approx. 30 minutes, then slows down, until they decide if they want to buy the MorphOS license key. IMHO there is no reason to not try it out now if you have any interest in seeing what it is like.
It does not surprise me that MorphOS support for the G4 eMac models has come before any PowerMac models, as there has already been some mention by members of the MorphOS Development Team that work on the PowerMac support was taking longer than they had first anticipated. Hopefully support for the G4 PowerMac models will come out before the end of this year, but no one outside the dev team has any idea of how much more work needs to be completed before that can happen.
I am happy to see the steady progress they continue to make and the increase of available hardware models that MorphOS runs on.
Congratulations MorphOS Dev. Team and keep up the great work. Competition and different choices for Amiga users past and present is a good thing in many ways (but not all).
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For the curious Amiga users that just want to check out MorphOS, they can now buy a very cheap G4 eMac (if they are lucky they might find one for less than $50 US dollars, or even for free) and then download the demo version of MorphOS2.5 that runs without any restrictions for approx. 30 minutes, then slows down, until they decide if they want to buy the MorphOS license key.
Which is available for 111,11 EUR now btw. :)
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Oh my god! What a great birthday present!
Gotta install this baby tonight on my Peg 2!
Awesome news MorphOS Team!
Cheers,
Dragster
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Which is available for 111,11 EUR now btw. :)
That is very good to hear. It is priced reduced or on sale? That coupled with the recent decline of the Euro against the USD makes it a lot easier to swallow.
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That is very good to hear. It is priced reduced or on sale? That coupled with the recent decline of the Euro against the USD makes it a lot easier to swallow.
From the news (http://www.morphos-team.net/news.html) page:
04.06.2010 - Special Celebratory Price
In anticipation of the 2nd anniversary of the release of MorphOS 2.0 later this month, you are now able to purchase a MorphOS keyfile at the special celebratory price of 111,11 EUR (includ. 19% VAT), the same price that was available to the very first buyers of version 2 of MorphOS during our introductory phase in 2008.
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111.11 Euros! That is also great news. If they will allow me to pre-purchase a license key for a PowerMac at that lower price now and wait until support is finished, I would send them the money tomorrow and double my search for a suitable G4 PowerMac. I have already purchased a MorphOS supported PowerMac graphics card in anticipation of the future release of a MorphOS version that will support the G4 PowerMac.
Edit: Nice list of improvements since version 2.4, can't wait to download and install it on both my Efika and my G4 MacMini.
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Out of curiosity, why is the G5 line not planned on being supported? is there some difference between G4 and G5 that makes it impractical?
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Yea, Just did a search on my local Craigslist for emacs.....Yes, they are dirt cheap! $120 USD!
http://raleigh.craigslist.org/sys/1769384986.html
sorry to people of the future that click that link! It won't work in a week or so!
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@Piru,
Are there any new videos of MorphOS2.5 running or being installed on an eMac?
Or perhaps any new videos of MorphOS2.5 new features running on any system?
@spihunter,
I am going to contact a friend of mine that works at a school that may have a few dozen G4 eMac's that they want to get rid of very cheaply. If I can get several of them for next to nothing, I am going to install the Demo of MorphOS2.5 on them and offer them to anyone that wants one at the same price it costs me to get them.
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Damn it all, and cool at the same time. I finally got my hands on a G4 MacMini and am just finishing installing MorphOS 2.4. I am so excited I could piss myself right now -- after all this time of wanting to go PPC for AmigaOS 4 (which I may still do, budget permitting,) I get my hands on a MacMini for FREE!
If MorphOS turns out to be everything everyone says it is, and I have little reason to believe otherwise, I will be buying a key.
SO DAMN EXCITED!! I may even take this thing on vacation with me!
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@LoadWB
I haven't used MorphOS since about v1.4 or so, but I can say even back then it was amazing. I can only imagine how good it is now. I gotta see what I can do to raise some $$$ to buy a key before the sale ends.
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At the prices the eMacs are selling for, I can't think of a good reason not to invest into MorphOS at this point! WOW!
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Are they still charging VAT to non-VAT countries? :confused: I don't like paying my own governments taxes much less someone elses.
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FREE MacMini?
Some people have all the luck.
The price reduction is a GOOD THING.
Which computer is better , the MacMini or the eMac ?
Right now it is $135 US according to MSN.Plus bank or paypal charges I suppose.
Do non-Europeans have to pay the VAT?
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Darn you releasing this/me noticing it right before bedtime! :)
Looking forward to playing with this over the weekend. My thanks to the team.
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For the curious Amiga users that just want to check out MorphOS, they can now buy a very cheap G4 eMac (if they are lucky they might find one for less than $50 US dollars, or even for free) and then download the demo version of MorphOS2.5 that runs without any restrictions for approx. 30 minutes, then slows down, until they decide if they want to buy the MorphOS license key.
Which is available for 111,11 EUR now btw. :)
The temporary discount of the OS is worth ~$48 USD if I count correctly, meaning that (if you are lucky) you *may* be able to buy both a complete G4 computer system (yes *complete*, since even the monitor is built-in) and a fully registered copy of MorphOS for *less* than you had to pay for the OS alone yesterday!
Wow!
:D
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@LoadWB
I haven't used MorphOS since about v1.4 or so, but I can say even back then it was amazing. I can only imagine how good it is now. I gotta see what I can do to raise some $$$ to buy a key before the sale ends.
The 1.4 -> 2.0 was a giant leap in many *fundamental* areas!
And you can browse the release notes of what has happened in the updates that has followed ever since:
1.4 -> 2.0 (http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes-2.0.html) -> 2.1 (http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes-2.1.html) -> 2.2 (http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes-2.2.html) -> 2.3 (http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes-2.3.html) -> 2.4 (http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes-2.4.html) -> 2.5 (http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes-2.5.html)
As anyone who takes the time to read through those links can see, one shouldn't be fooled by the tiny +0.1 increases in version numbers. Sure, there lots of minor fixes and improvements in them, but a lot of *completely new* features has been introduced as well!
And all +0.1 releases has been completely free of charge to registered users!
:)
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Are they still charging VAT to non-VAT countries? :confused:
No, rather a 19% higher price for the product itself! ;)
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I have a Powermac G4. How can I get discounted Morphos? Thanks.
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MorphOS on Mac laptops would be very cool.
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So how well does 680x0 code run on a 1.25Mhz G4?
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So how well does 680x0 code run on a 1.25Mhz G4?
Very. MOS uses JIT emulation, executing 680x0 code in a manner similar to UAE. Unlike UAE, however system calls are inevitably routed through native code, which can only help.
I've found that my 800MHz G4 with Petunia (OS4's JIT) is far faster than any of my real 680x0 machines for all my code/apps. From what I gather, trance (MOS's JIT) is even more aggressive.
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So assuming I was doing modeling (which I'm not), I'd be able to render images within a few seconds/minutes instead of hours?
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So assuming I was doing modeling (which I'm not), I'd be able to render images within a few seconds/minutes instead of hours?
Probably depends on how long it takes for example on a 68060. If it takes 24h on a 060, I doubt it'll finish in a few seconds with JIT ;) But it will still speed up considerably.
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Yeah they are cheap, but those prices aren't even the cheapest I have seen. In fact, I have seen many eMacs priced at well below $100 and some below $50 US dollars. Even though some people still complain about the price of a MorphOS license, how can anyone not realize the excellent performance they can get for a very small price by getting a G4 eMac or MacMini and a MorphOS2.5 license key to run their Amiga programs and MorphOS specific PPC programs. With E-UAE for MorphOS they can even run all their old hardware banging Amiga games.
Ironically, the eMacs are subject to the same leaking capacitor problems as other manufacturer's computers of the same era. (And PowerMac G5s.) From one platform with failing hardware to another...
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Well, kudos to the MorphOS team for this. Unlike Hyperion, they at least get part of the equation: inexpensive hardware, as opposed to modern inexpensive hardware. Unfortunately for me, I hate all of the uni-body Macs, so I doubt I'd get one even if I had room on my desk for it. (I'm more likely to get a Power G4 since it can hide under my desk).
Good luck guys. Might wanna publish your sales figures just to let everyone know, especially if they go up as a result.
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I hate all of the uni-body Macs, so I doubt I'd get one even if I had room on my desk for it. (I'm more likely to get a Power G4 since it can hide under my desk).
I am quite impressed with the MacMini.
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Well, kudos to the MorphOS team for this. Unlike Hyperion, they at least get part of the equation: inexpensive hardware, as opposed to modern inexpensive hardware. Unfortunately for me, I hate all of the uni-body Macs, so I doubt I'd get one even if I had room on my desk for it. (I'm more likely to get a Power G4 since it can hide under my desk).
I am quite impressed with the MacMini.
My MorphOS MacMini sits atop my Intel MacMini, which sits atop my AmigaOne, which sits under my desk :)
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I am quite impressed with the MacMini.
No doubt, :) but the Power G4 and eMac are considerably less and therefore more justifiable to someone like me who will only use it occasionally. As someone who remembers Amigas fondly but rarely uses them anymore, the smaller the price, the more likely I might purchase one.
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I must say this is great news, since Piru has convinced me to give MorphOS a go :)
The eMac support is great for me, since its a affordable choice for me to try the OS out :)
To bad it only supports the 1,25GHz revisions since a friend of mine could give me a 1,42 rev :/
So now ill look into buying a supported eMac when I got time and then replace the CRT monitor with a 17" TFT, tho my time is limitet due to many other projects and that I work this entire summer.
but ill try to give this a go as fast as I can, and kudos to the MorphOS team for their hard work!
just one question, if I buy MorphOS and I like it and want to buy a Mac mini instead, can I then discard the OS on the eMac and use the license on the Mac mini? Wihout any additional charge if I can prove im not using it on the eMac anymore?
Edit: also I know this is the wrong place for this question and I could search around for the info, but im browsing on my nokia N97 and ill just give it a shot here, does Payback run under MorphOS? ive read it can run with some work on AmigaOS 4.x.
thanks for reply.
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just one question, if I buy MorphOS and I like it and want to buy a Mac mini instead, can I then discard the OS on the eMac and use the license on the Mac mini? Wihout any additional charge if I can prove im not using it on the eMac anymore?
No.
The license is tied to the hardware, not to you.
You can however sell the hardware with the registered OS bundled, and recover money for a new registration that way.
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No.
The license is tied to the hardware, not to you.
You can however sell the hardware with the registered OS bundled, and recover money for a new registration that way.
Thanks for the reply!
well sounds fair, I guess I would not have alot trouble selling a eMac rebuild with a TFT with MorphOS at a decent price :) Since a eMac is cheep and I got spare 17" TFTs and trashed PSUs for them, I wont loose much money and I do not take proffit :)
But ill see what happens, I might just be satesfied with a eMac.
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No.
The license is tied to the hardware, not to you.
You can however sell the hardware with the registered OS bundled, and recover money for a new registration that way.
Really? Well, that settles my curiosity. When it supports an Apple product I would be interested in owning I may reconsider.
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Really? Well, that settles my curiosity. When it supports an Apple product I would be interested in owning I may reconsider.
Just out of curiosity - is it the PowerMac or PowerBook you would prefer the most?
Personally, I have always dreamed of a *laptop* running my favorite OS and applications! :)
(And BTW (directed towards the MorphOS team), my Voucher idea (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=562825&postcount=14) was seriously meant. The MorphOS team would get money now, and customers would be able to enjoy the Special Anniversary Price! A win-win IMHO! :) )
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Just out of curiosity - is it the PowerMac or PowerBook you would prefer the most?
Personally, I have always dreamed of a *laptop* running my favorite OS and applications! :)
(And BTW (directed towards the MorphOS team), my Voucher idea (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=562825&postcount=14) was seriously meant. The MorphOS team would get money now, and customers would be able to enjoy the Special Anniversary Price! A win-win IMHO! :) )
Either or. Anything "pro" and at least G4 and preferrably G5. It doesn't sound like the G5 is planned on being supported though. The license being tied to the machine is the biggest issue. This forces the issue if the old beater mac I picked up to run an OS that costs almost as much as Windows 7 goes south, I get to sink money into it for repair as opposed to go getting another cheap mac to replace it.
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the 1.4ghz models use radeon 9600's instead of 9200's which is why they dont work.
also its a shame as the emac 1.2ghz models still have only 32mb vram :(
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Either or. Anything "pro" and at least G4 and preferrably G5. It doesn't sound like the G5 is planned on being supported though.
Personally, I am *extremely* happy with my "silent upgrade" Mac Mini 1.5GHz G4. And I haven't even registered my MorphOS as of yet (but I will surely do so at the current discount price!)
:)
The license being tied to the machine is the biggest issue. This forces the issue if the old beater mac I picked up to run an OS that costs almost as much as Windows 7 goes south, I get to sink money into it for repair as opposed to go getting another cheap mac to replace it.
If your registered hardware dies, and you can prove it (you discuss this with the MorphOS team directly as your personal unique situation arises), you will get a new keyfile for your new hardware! A kind of "warranty". This has been discussed a lot over at MorphZone.org, look there if you don't believe me (I don't have any links, but you could always ask MZ's living webcrawler Andreas_Wolf about it ;) ).
It's handled manually on a case to case basis, and so far I haven't heard of any problems whatsoever about this.
:)
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The eMac support is great for me, since its a affordable choice for me to try the OS out :)
To bad it only supports the 1,25GHz revisions since a friend of mine could give me a 1,42 rev :/
Says who ? MorphOS does support these atleast by Apple's system-ID, so it will atleast boot.
MorphOS also supports Radeon9600s, just only as 2D.
So burn that CD, visit your friend and give it a try.....
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The eMac support is great for me, since its a affordable choice for me to try the OS out :)
To bad it only supports the 1,25GHz revisions since a friend of mine could give me a 1,42 rev :/
Says who ? MorphOS does support these atleast by Apple's system-ID, so it will atleast boot.
MorphOS also supports Radeon9600s, just only as 2D.
So burn that CD, visit your friend and give it a try.....
Indeed! Kronos definitely has a point here!
The MorphOS 2.5 release notes clearly says:
"eMac support for 1.25 GHz models (1.42 GHz eMac models have not been tested)"
This is probably just due to the fact that nobody had access to test it on such a system!
So I would really *encourage you* to follow Kronos' suggestion to burn a CD and try it out if you have access to one! :)
And then of course come back here and tell us all about how/if it worked! ;)
:)
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If your registered hardware dies, and you can prove it ...
As if that is any of their business. This hardware locking is pure nonsense and number one reason to not register. I do not see why I should have to chop up a perfectly functional macmini or sell it and reregister if I would want to run MorphOS on something else.
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No.
The license is tied to the hardware, not to you.
You can however sell the hardware with the registered OS bundled, and recover money for a new registration that way.
YIKES!!!!
Ya, I think I'll be holding off for a Mac Mini in that case. WOW. This reminds me of something Microsoft would do, which I don't like, it makes me feel like my own purchased Software is in my power to use as a please.
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Either or. Anything "pro" and at least G4 and preferrably G5. It doesn't sound like the G5 is planned on being supported though. The license being tied to the machine is the biggest issue. This forces the issue if the old beater mac I picked up to run an OS that costs almost as much as Windows 7 goes south, I get to sink money into it for repair as opposed to go getting another cheap mac to replace it.
well I guess if the license was not tied to a single machine they would suffer alot from piracy mabe?
For MS etc they can live with it, but MorphOS as small userbase as they have it would hurt them alot?
Then if you like w7 then buy it, I would never spend a single penny on windows when I can get Linux for free and do whatever I like with the source.
Myself will buy MorphOS when I got time for a eMac, I think their hard work deserves support.
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well I guess if the license was not tied to a single machine they would suffer alot from piracy mabe?
Yes, since the majority of MorphOS users are software pirates.
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Either or. Anything "pro" and at least G4 and preferrably G5. It doesn't sound like the G5 is planned on being supported though. The license being tied to the machine is the biggest issue. This forces the issue if the old beater mac I picked up to run an OS that costs almost as much as Windows 7 goes south, I get to sink money into it for repair as opposed to go getting another cheap mac to replace it.
well I guess if the license was not tied to a single machine they would suffer alot from piracy mabe?
For MS etc they can live with it, but MorphOS as small userbase as they have it would hurt them alot?
Then if you like w7 then buy it, I would never spend a single penny on windows when I can get Linux for free and do whatever I like with the source.
Myself will buy MorphOS when I got time for a eMac, I think their hard work deserves support.
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Says who ? MorphOS does support these atleast by Apple's system-ID, so it will atleast boot.
MorphOS also supports Radeon9600s, just only as 2D.
So burn that CD, visit your friend and give it a try.....
according to http://www.morphos-team.net/hardware.html
radeon 9600's are not listed. If they ARE supported the documentation needs updating...
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Yes, since the majority of MorphOS users are software pirates.
According to this poll, about 80% are or at least were in the past.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=28
The sad reality is it would get pirated. If nothing else some people would buy it and install it on multiple of their own computers and maybe their friends' computers locally.
Like it or not, and I am not crazy about it, the price is for a single user, single computer license. I thoroughly dislike the licensing scheme, just as I disliked Hyperion's licensing scheme in the past. Will it stop me from registering? It sure contributed when the cost of the OS was over $220(USD). With the sale and the decline of the Euro, it is a somewhat easier pill to swallow.
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@kolla
Well, this has been discussed a great deal over at MZ.org ever since the policy was revealed two years(!) ago. And for the record, before reading any further, you should know that I haven't been the greatest supporter of the policy myself...
But there is a flip side to every coin. Like this:
Hyperion is worrying to death that their OS4 for a certain platform will be pirated. They worry to *such a degree*, that they lock in the OS into some combo with obscure hardware so that nobody can get a hold it without buying the HW at the same time. The downside of this is that the only OS4 available HW is obscure, rare, untried (compared to *mainstream* Mac HW), and most of all *extremely expensive* for the performance it offers.
And this is the main reason to why OS4 isn't available for cheap, powerful, well-tried and proved Mac PPC HW. Because of their chosen licensing scheme! There was some "Moana" project going (I have the files here, like so many others), it was very promising (as proven today by MorphOS), but they never went ahead with it. "It would only get pirated..."
The MorphOS team however, offers free download of the *full* OS. Heck, they would probably *be glad* if someone would bother to make a .torrent out of it, since that would offload their servers/bandwith a bit. Spread it freely! Try it out for free! On *any* PPC Mac Hardware (soon)! PPC Mac HW is available everywhere! And it's a *full* version of the OS, you can use it without *any other* limitation than it slows down to an un-usable level after about 30 minutes. To prevent this single one limitation, you purchase a license for your machine of choice!
While I recognize the same down sides as you do kolla, I must say that the MorphOS way (with Mac HW support and free download) beats the OS4 way by a magnitude.
My biggest objection to the MorphOS licensing scheme is that there aren't any discounts for multiple licenses. I have 4 machines that are perfectly able to run MorphOS 2.5. And there is a reason to why I have only one keyfile for one of my Pegasos2's. I will get one for my Mac Mini though. That's for sure! :)
As if that is any of their business.
It will be "their business" if you want to take advantage of the "warranty" built into the licensing scheme. If your HW breaks down, you discuss this with the MorphOS team, and you will get a new key file for your new HW.
This hardware locking is pure nonsense and number one reason to not register.
Well, it's the way they have chosen to build their system. I'm not going to argue with you about it; take it or leave it (and it's the same for myself and everyone else). The reason to why I took it (for my only registered machine so far) is because:
MorphOS is the fastest NG OS.
MorphOS is the most Amiga compatible NG OS.
MorphOS has the best NG features and functionality of the NG OS's; it's the most competent OS, period!
MorphOS currently runs on the fastest PPC hardware that any Amiga Program has come in contact with. *Mainstream* and readily available hardware!
MorphOS runs on the *best priced* hardware, and definitely with the best bang-for-the-buck ratio! This will be true even if some undefined "X1000" hardware would materialize.
Simply put: "MorphOS is Amiga done right! :)"
And you can try it for free! :)
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The price is a non-issue for me, it is the hardware locking that keeps me from registering. And piracy? Copying to friends computer? Get real, it might have been a problem 10 years ago, these days hardly anyone _want_ MorphOS in the first place, it's an oddity, like anything Amiga these days. Anyways, I suspect it wont be long before the need to register vanishes entirely, I doubt very much there will that many new registrations with 2.5 (on worse hardware) and reduced price.
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Says who ? MorphOS does support these atleast by Apple's system-ID, so it will atleast boot.
MorphOS also supports Radeon9600s, just only as 2D.
So burn that CD, visit your friend and give it a try.....
Well just because hes my friend dosent mean we live close by, so the shipping of an eMac would be atleast half its value and thats more then im willing to pay just to try it out before I get a green light that it works on a Radeon 9600 ^^ where I live I can get a supported eMac for nearly nothing and I wont have to pay shipping since a few sellers live close enough :)
So I rather buy a supported and working eMac then gammble with the 1,42GHz one.
but still I have to wait untill my TC project is done and a few other minor projects so I have space for it :) My wife and I have a deal that I have to finnish my projects before starting on new ones since I allready take up tons of space in our small house ^^
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While I recognize the same down sides as you do kolla, I must say that the MorphOS way (with Mac HW support and free download) beats the OS4 way by a magnitude.
I dont see the point in comparing OS4 and MorphOS, that is not the issue here.
It will be "their business" if you want to take advantage of the "warranty" built into the licensing scheme. If your HW breaks down, you discuss this with the MorphOS team, and you will get a new key file for your new HW.
Again, this is not the issue here. I would typically not have the hardware break down, but it would be very likely that I would want to for example rather run MorphOS on a 1.5GHz mini than the 1.42GHz one I have now, if I found one, and let the old run linux full time. MorphOS devs say I would have to go through all the hassle it is to find someone willing to buy the old one, pay the extra price to make up for the morphos license, and then buy yet another one to replace it. This is utter nonsense.
I'm not going to argue with you about it; take it or leave it (and it's the same for myself and everyone else).
Right, and I will leave it, or perhaps buy a license if there comes way to go around the locking.
MorphOS is the fastest NG OS.
Still a heck lot slower than UAE on modern PC, and doesnt really offer much over it either.
MorphOS is the most Amiga compatible NG OS.
Which is why I feel comfortable calling it a glorified emulator.
MorphOS has the best NG features and functionality of the NG OS's; it's the most competent OS, period!
It still is mostly stuck in the 90ies in terms of usability and features.
MorphOS currently runs on the fastest PPC hardware that any Amiga Program has come in contact with. *Mainstream* and readily available hardware!
Why is it important that it is PPC? Not like there is so much relevant amiga software that requires PPC.
MorphOS runs on the *best priced* hardware, and definitely with the best bang-for-the-buck ratio! This will be true even if some undefined "X1000" hardware would materialize.
You seem to live under the assumption that OS4 and MorphOS are the only options out there, and all your comparison is always against OS4. That is flawed.
Simply put: "MorphOS is Amiga done right! :)"
And you can try it for free! :)
There is lots of stuff in MorphOS that I don't like, so called "modern" interface choices that I find totally bogus, various shortcomings like the lack of proper arexx (where the official solution is to "pirate" from OS3.x), TCP stack that is like a 15+ year old artifact, a very limited desktop, rather crappy i18n and l10n etc.
Almost nothing Amiga has been "done right" since the fall of Commodore.
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If your registered hardware dies, and you can prove it (you discuss this with the MorphOS team directly as your personal unique situation arises), you will get a new keyfile for your new hardware! A kind of "warranty". This has been discussed a lot over at MorphZone.org, look there if you don't believe me (I don't have any links, but you could always ask MZ's living webcrawler Andreas_Wolf about it ;) ).
Well, that is cool! So, once it gets on a Mac that's brushed aluminum I am so there :D
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And piracy? Copying to friends computer?
Nobodt have to copy MorphOS to friends computer. Everyone can download the latest version from the MorphOS website.
In old times when MorphOS 1.5 was leaked there apparently were mysterious "MorphOS betatesters" running MorphOS 1.5 they downloaded for free from somewhere. If you talked to right persons you could get image via /dcc on #morphos as well as on #aros or #amigaworld. Cant blame people when MorphOS was in such obscure state in those days, tho.
Almost nothing Amiga has been "done right" since the fall of Commodore.
Amiga was never done right at Commodore. Perhaps not since the fall of Commodore either but such is life.
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Everyone can download the latest version from the MorphOS website.
And yet hardly anyone do that. I might have a handfull of friends who have G4 minimac, and none of them have bothered to download MorphOS - why would they?
In old times when MorphOS 1.5 was leaked there apparently were mysterious "MorphOS betatesters" running MorphOS 1.5 they downloaded for free from somewhere. If you talked to right persons you could get image via /dcc on #morphos as well as on #aros or #amigaworld. Cant blame people when MorphOS was in such obscure state in those days, tho.
What do you mean "in those days"? It is not less obscure today.
Amiga was never done right at Commodore. Perhaps not since the fall of Commodore either but such is life.
So the conclusion is that Amiga was never done right. :)
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And piracy? Copying to friends computer? Get real, it might have been a problem 10 years ago, these days hardly anyone _want_ MorphOS in the first place, it's an oddity, like anything Amiga these days.
"Nobody wants MorphOS, like anything Amiga these days"; hehe, well, in some kind of way, you sound like one of the last few diluted persons that not until recently believed that anything *miga "had a chance to 'rule the world'." :)
And, no, not "copying to friends computer".
Take a look at the "MorphOS registration thread" (the one counting serial numbers of keyfile registrations, can't recall what the correct title is) over at MZ.org. While the number's indeed aren't that great, and hasn't impressed anyone but that "ssolie"-guy who suddenly felt a bizarre need to flood MZ with posts about potential fortunes made out of a few hundred registrations (there is no real market after all), and while obviously no-one can't possibly make a living out of it, it's still a fact that the project does have costs that needs to be covered, and some people (myself included) obviously wants MorphOS badly enough *to pay* what they ask for it.
Are you telling me that you can't see the impact of a full, *no time-restricted version* of MorphOS (able to run on any (soon) Mac HW) being uploaded to pirate bay? IMHO you could deduct about 600 registrations of that *current* sum right away...
Anyways, I suspect it wont be long before the need to register vanishes entirely, I doubt very much there will that many new registrations with 2.5 (on worse hardware) and reduced price.
You are only deceiving yourself if you believe that there is any kind of *market* (by the definition of the word) around anything "Amiga" at this point. And personally I think they will get more registrations thanks to the *price reduction* rather than the additional HW support (although the latter will certainly contribute as well! :)).
And it's not "worse" HW, it's *a wider scope of HW options*! Big difference! :)
The ultimate goal is obviously to cover *all* Mac G4 platforms, one at a time. It just happened that the eMac was covered before the PowerMac and PowerBook. But you can already today choose *Mac Mini*, which in many aspects will be a more powerful HW than the eMac.
But not as cheap! And price is also a feature! And when it comes to consumer products, it's often *the most important* feature...!
:)
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I might have a handfull of friends who have G4 minimac, and none of them have bothered to download MorphOS - why would they?
If none of your Mac friends are interested in Amiga, then of course you are right - why would they?
It's not like the MorphOS team is out to conquer the world. Did you really think so?
Honestly?
EDIT: BTW, Will your Mac friends buy the new 1,500-2,000 EUR "X1000" + the OS4 fee? Why? Why not? Do you see my point?
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While I recognize the same down sides as you do kolla, I must say that the MorphOS way (with Mac HW support and free download) beats the OS4 way by a magnitude.
I dont see the point in comparing OS4 and MorphOS, that is not the issue here.
There are basically two ways the teams could have gone regarding the issue you want to discuss here kolla (and I described them above);
The way OS4 team went...
...and the way the MorphOS team went!
There are pros and cons to them both. I, however, believe that the MorphOS did the right choice as opposed to the OS4 team, for the reasons I explained above.
:)
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How about the way Haiku is going?
http://www.haiku-os.org/
They set up a corporation to manage donations and trademarks, the OS is available for free, and the contributing coders are mostly working for free.
The donations go to attending opensource events and hosting coding sessions as well as putting some money aside for hiring programmers to work on specific items on a contractual basis.
In addition, they have been part of Google's Summer of Code for the last several years and have had interested students work on things ranging from internationalization to porting Webkit to the OS.
So yeah, there's more than two ways to go about this type of thing. The Haiku devs are doing it in their spare time out of passion more than anything. I guess the MorphOS guys want to get paid a little. Both are valid approaches and if they want to get paid, more power to 'em!
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And yet hardly anyone do that. I might have a handfull of friends who have G4 minimac, and none of them have bothered to download MorphOS - why would they?
Yes and...?
So the conclusion is that Amiga was never done right. :)
Indeed :) Apparently RJ Mical loved 3DO very much where they didnt repeat old mistakes.
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@takemehomegrandma
Seems like you have a hard time understanding what I'm typing, since you keep using my own arguments against me. And as always you're pulling in OS4 - what is it with you and OS4?
From where do you get the idea that I think there is a market? Really, you don't make any sense. And all those smileys just make your postings look rather insane.
I have followed MorphOS since the start, and even back then I was all for the "break off and move on already" that was supposed to be the qbox. Not surprisingly that never happened - I suspect Laire would have wanted it to, but that most other devs were probably too much into improving abox, glorifying the emulator so to speak - I'm just guessing. And no, ofcourse I don't think MorphOS devs is out to "conquer the world" - what gave you that idea? The only one in the blue camp that ever's been out to "conqueror the world" was BBRV, and that was exactly why I never could stand the guy. Last hopes for "amiga ruling the world" probably vanished with Jim Collas.
And "copying to friends computer", that was a comment to what redrumloa wrote, what you mean with "And no, not ..." I have no idea.
So in short - no, I don't see your points.
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How about the way Haiku is going?
What Haiku is doing makes sense, that contradicts the general rule of "the amiga way".
One can only hope that AROS as a project at some point might be able to do similar things. There were a couple of guys from FOSDEM who quite eagerly asked for AROS people to show up, but I don't think anyone went. And sadly, I dont think any of the "Amiga NG" systems have anything to show off at this point, being able to play full screen youtube doesn't really impress anyone.
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No, rather a 19% higher price for the product itself! ;)
Well I was hoping the MorphOS devs had gotten their act together on the VAT mischarging. After all, they've had two years to figure it out. I guess I'm just not destined to run MorphOS for more than 30 minutes at a time. :lol:
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Aladdin 4D 5.x seems to run better under MorphOS 2.5.
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The one big reason for running OS4/AROS/MorphOS is that you can run "Amiga emulation" (Or C64 emulation) with NO Microsoft beneath it ! And slightly closer to the hardware ? And with SLIGHTLY more control over the OS than if you run WinUAE on Windows .. Linux .. well .. Its also a monolith bloatware .. ?!
These days I feel less and less comfortable with Linux as well.. Im sure theres no problem to spy on inexperienced Linux users like me if some hackergroup wanted to ..
Haiku could be interesting also :-)
Another thing the various "AmigaNG" should get involved in is to get students at tech colleges coding on it ! Like it is mentioned above, Haiku is slightly further in those areas ..
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These days I feel less and less comfortable with Linux as well.. Im sure theres no problem to spy on inexperienced Linux users like me if some hackergroup wanted to ..
What are you talking about?
Why are you afraid anyone would like to spy on you?
Set up a linux server at home wich acts as a Fire wall then use linux on your end computer and I can tell you that you are quite safe.
It's alot of work to get into a safe up to date Linux system, can't realy see any reasons for some "random hacking group" to jump into your computer just for the kicks of it.
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I thought MorphOS was out to conquer the world...
...I mean wasn't MorphOS behind the French Revolution, the fall of Russia, and now America? I could of swore it was the MorphOS team who infiltrated the British Masons and corrupted their cause, assuming it wasn't already corrupt from the get go.
And to think that I thought I had an ally. Where shall I turn now?!?!?
Oh ya, Microsoft! :)
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Just wondering why only the 1.25GHz eMacs are supported?
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This is just excellent news!
Just wondering why only the 1.25GHz eMacs are supported?
I think is was written somewhere that out of eMacs, only 1.25 were tested. That doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't work with faster eMacs.
Not a long ago I got my hands on G4 MacMini, so now is the right time for me to do try MorphOS 2.5 out! :-)
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@takemehomegrandma
Seems like you have a hard time understanding what I'm typing, since you keep using my own arguments against me. And as always you're pulling in OS4 - what is it with you and OS4?
It's also quite a nonsensical point to raise in a thread specifically regarding the availability MOS on Mac hardware.
I guess there are still people in the community (and this goes four ways - classic, OS4, MOS and AROS) that see their OS only in terms how it's better than a competing one, rather than actually appreciating what is truly good about it.
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This is good news. Is there a list somewhere of supported emac and g4 models? I don't want to buy one on ebay that is not sure to work.
Steven
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Just to add I am with kolla on the licence issue. I have a mac mini sat doing nothing for 1 year now, which I might have put morphos on it, if it was sold in a different way, and perhaps even done some development for it. I do think the price is still a little high aswell though. Not that a lot of work hasn't gone into it, but it wouldn't be my main os, but rather a hobby - and so I don't know if I could justify it, but I dont even consider it anyway due to the licence.. I also think morphos could do more to intice developers onto the platform.
These days I do most stuff on linux. I like the open nature of the environment and apps, that I can submit back fixes, improvements. For example I was able to submit a small patch for the kernel so a network card was setup correctly. I think going back to a closed Amiga platform would be hard now.
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Thanx MorphOS Team for adding a fix in MorphOS 2.5 so Aladdin 4D installs with no problems with the installer. In earlier versions of MorphOS Aladdin 4D would have to be installed manually. It is much appreciated.
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Congratulations to the MorphOS development team.
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redfox
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This is good news. Is there a list somewhere of supported emac and g4 models? I don't want to buy one on ebay that is not sure to work.
Steven
Check here (http://morphos-team.net/hardware.html).
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This is good news. Is there a list somewhere of supported emac and g4 models? I don't want to buy one on ebay that is not sure to work.
Steven
all eMac's are G4's, but the first ones had nvidia gfx cards which wont work, and came with 128mb ram.
the eMac (USB 2.0) version is the 1.25GHz model which works with morphos, with a radeon 9200 gfx card. 1.42GHz gets you a radeon 9600 gfx card, but as the readme says "(1.42 GHz eMac models have not been tested)"
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I agree the price even at 111.11 euros seems a bit high for a hobby OS ; but the developers need at least beer, bread and sausages.MorphOS is a bit smaller group of coders than Linux.I will probably be squeezing that sum out of my meager finances,as it is much better than 150 (and the exchange rate change helps ,too.)That way I can have an Amiga-like experience on G4 hardware.
The MorphOS license locking the OS to a particular MAC address(motherboard) is really not much different legally than Microsoft's OEM licensing which states the OEM Windows is for that machine(motherboard) only and if that machine breaks you must either repair(replace) the motherboard with another of the same OEM model , or BUY a new copy of Windows for different model motherboard.
Now I think the old OEM Windows CD were each set up to check for a particular BIOS rather than the MAC address.
Here is an idea for the MorphOS team : make a deal with Efika/Directron to bundle MorphOS at a special rate.There evidently are still a number of efika 5200 in the warehouse and 400MHz is faster than any classic Amiga ,by far.
I would like to see the AOS4/MorphOS/AROS/Classic/Amithlon/Natami/AF(UAE)/MiniMig(FPGA) groups share ideas and everyone just enjoy heading in the general direction of a better Amiga experience.
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Perhaps I was over negative in my previous post. I stand my what I said, but I would be really interesting in hacking around a bit in morphos. porting a few things, and doing a bit of code, but like many amiga things, its a closed network, and I can only be a user.
I also noticed that they have ported GISH to morphos now. im sure that and many of other other games recently released under the "humble indie bundle" will now be ported. A great initiative that was and I paid a good contribution having already owned a game. It's nice now that morphos and OS4 can benefit from our support. I hope they also contributed! If only the Amiga World could embrace similar ideas..
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Slashdotted
Slashdot Apple Story | MorphOS 2.5 Released, Supports More Old Macs
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/06/05/203227/MorphOS-25-Released-Supports-More-Old-Macs?art_pos=6&art_pos=6
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Slashdotted
You wish.
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You wish.
Huh?
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Slashdotted
Slashdot Apple Story | MorphOS 2.5 Released, Supports More Old Macs
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/06/05/203227/MorphOS-25-Released-Supports-More-Old-Macs?art_pos=6&art_pos=6
Yikes, not getting much love from the Slashdot crowd. Linux tunnel-vision has made up their minds for them.
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Or common sense? :)
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It's not a reaction from slashdot that surprises me.
Let's be realistic here. Other than appeal to our particular peculiarities and run our ageing software catalogue, is there anything practical that AmigaOS and it's various offshoots do that linux can't ?
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Huh?
Clearly you do not know what Slashdotted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdotted) means.
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Other than appeal to our particular peculiarities and run our ageing software catalogue, is there anything practical that AmigaOS and it's various offshoots do that linux can't ?
Nope.
And with the user interface changes done in MorphOS and OS4 - even less so.
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Actually you will not have to compile a program, and you will not have to worry about figuring out where to put those library files. Unlike Linux, Amiga OS and it's clones are very user friendly as well as easy to use. Linux can't do that!
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I apologise for any previous comments about MorphOS. I think I was kind of wrongly critical of the powerpc dependance. I went and looked at a friends emac and mac mini. When I thought about it, its actually quite ingenious porting morph to that hardware, because it really is nice hardware, and its readily available, (and cheap!)
I would never buy a mac before, because I'm a linux guy. I felt kinda like why should I get raped for an outrageous price just to use a suped up prettied up bsd clone that is closed source? Still I remember seeing macs and really liking the style of them, especially the white keyboard and mouse and how it just looks inviting to use.
When I examine the hardware without osx, they are actually quite nice computers. Then I think, hey I bet I can dual boot osx and morph, so for a few hundred bucks thats not a bad computer to have around to play with.
God help me if I decide I really like osx though.
As far as linux...
Linux is very easy to use once you kind of figure out where everything goes. I only compile programs I can't find packages for, which is very rare.
I have had amigas back in the day, then recently got a 500 then a 1200... Then I made a dedicated amiga emulation pc running amikit... Then I had an aros box... A morphos box is probably in my future. I'm thinking emac because its an all in one and I don't have to worry about monitor and so on... Anyone have a compattible emac who wants to trade for an amiga 500? 2.0 roms, and some other upgrades? I'll throw in some assorted amiga stuff as well...
Steven
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Actually you will not have to compile a program, and you will not have to worry about figuring out where to put those library files. Unlike Linux, Amiga OS and it's clones are very user friendly as well as easy to use. Linux can't do that!
On linux I put them in /usr/local/lib, on MorphOS I can put them in sys:libs or sys:classes, except for those that are updates against those that come with morphos, then I have to put them in mossys:libs or mossys:classes, or put them in sys:libs or sys:classes, but rename those in respective mossys:libs and mossys:classes so that they wont be loaded. And these just some of the locations where libs might go.
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It's not a reaction from slashdot that surprises me.
Let's be realistic here. Other than appeal to our particular peculiarities and run our ageing software catalogue, is there anything practical that AmigaOS and it's various offshoots do that linux can't ?
Screens! :)
More seriously, why is there still hardware and software development for the C64? It's absurdly impractical, but it's really nifty. I guess I expected more of that sentiment from the Slashdot crowd.
OSX crawls on my Mini, Ubuntu crawls on my Pegasos, but MorphOS flies on both - especially on a program-to-program basis (i.e., MPlayer). Surely a system like that is worth taking a look at?
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Actually you will not have to compile a program, and you will not have to worry about figuring out where to put those library files. Unlike Linux, Amiga OS and it's clones are very user friendly as well as easy to use. Linux can't do that!
You don't have to compile a program to use linux (unless you want to). Most linux distributions come with a large selection of packages which can be installed with a few clicks. you dont generally need to worry about manually copying library files to certain locations, and in the case of compiling stuff from source, most programs will have a "make install" command.
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More seriously, why is there still hardware and software development for the C64? It's absurdly impractical, but it's really nifty. I guess I expected more of that sentiment from the Slashdot crowd.
OSX crawls on my Mini, Ubuntu crawls on my Pegasos, but MorphOS flies on both - especially on a program-to-program basis (i.e., MPlayer). Surely a system like that is worth taking a look at?
for fun. but c64 users have a slightly different attitude towards their c64 than Amiga users seem to have towards their os4/morphos machines.
Im happy that you have found morphos to be useful. If it wasn't >100 euros more people might even use it on their old machines.
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This news item has been added to the Aladdin 4D Blog to help spread the word.
http://aladdin4d.blogspot.com/2010/06/morphos-25-now-available-and-supports.html
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You don't have to compile a program to use linux (unless you want to). Most linux distributions come with a large selection of packages which can be installed with a few clicks. you dont generally need to worry about manually copying library files to certain locations, and in the case of compiling stuff from source, most programs will have a "make install" command.
./configure && make && make install
Unless you are like me and running Solaris, in which case a lot of programs are a little more intricate than this. Thank $_DEITY for SunFreeware!
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@thread
Hi everyone, just want to let you know that I received an eMail from discreetFX.
I won a MorphOS 2.5 License-Key for my MacMini.
Big Thanks to discreetFX for this nice price and the cool X-Mas Giveaway contest last year!!!
greetings
zErec
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OOOOH!
Nice prize.
Got to either get the MacMini set up with MorphOS (thinking of replacing the MacOS hard-drive with a 8gb flashcard, OR register one of my efikas;can't afford two keyfiles.
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So assuming I was doing modeling (which I'm not), I'd be able to render images within a few seconds/minutes instead of hours?
I have put a few benchmark measurements to http://via.i-networx.de/bench_en.html . Stuff like Maxxon Cinema works nicely fast. But today it is probably the smarter approach to use the excellent port of Blender for MorphOS which is native and utilizes the GPU.
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On linux I put them in /usr/local/lib, on MorphOS I can put them in sys:libs or sys:classes, except for those that are updates against those that come with morphos, then I have to put them in mossys:libs or mossys:classes, or put them in sys:libs or sys:classes, but rename those in respective mossys:libs and mossys:classes so that they wont be loaded. And these just some of the locations where libs might go.
Things get easier if you follow that simple and easy fact to not mess around with files in sys:morphos/.
Sure an old Amigan feels like he knows the system and isn't afraid to tinker around, but there is a good reason for that rule.
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Or common sense? :)
Yea, it was this kind of "Common Sense" that got us stuck in a largely Windows world.
Thinking inside a box never gets anyone anywhere.
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Yea, it was this kind of "Common Sense" that got us stuck in a largely Windows world.
Thinking inside a box never gets anyone anywhere.
I like how you did that. Take what I wrote and try and make it mean something completely different!
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Well, I dunno... what did you actually mean? :)
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"Devs/Networks/Sungem
Improvements in packet handling, should solve performance problems"
Thats one of the fixes on morphos 2.5, this one really fix the ethernet problem on the macmini?
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Does/will MorphOS support the wireless on the wireless MacMinis? I do not know if mine has wireless or not, it may be Bluetooth, but it has some kind of antennas inside.
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Things get easier if you follow that simple and easy fact to not mess around with files in sys:morphos/.
Sure an old Amigan feels like he knows the system and isn't afraid to tinker around, but there is a good reason for that rule.
That's not a "fact", just a general rule.
Unfortunatly, in many cases you _have_ to mess around in sys:morphos - with 2.5 this has changed somewhat, since now more paths under sys: is also read automatically, read all about it in the update notes. Still, you have a library you want to use rather than the one in mossys:, updated mui classes, rexxsyslib.library or whatever - you quickly end up needing to change stuff in mossys:. Not that I mind, most of the time I seem to have a clue on what I'm doing, since I have yet to break any systems.
And yes, I have altered the startup-sequence, removed all unneeded occuarances of >NIL:, lowered the failat value (rexxmast always exits 11 on morphos for some weird reason), shuffled around assigns, made my own c:mount wrapper that unmounts devices that are to be mounted but already exists (such as con), removed the resident lines for execute and assign (set the H flag on them instead), altered PATH, removed all the turboprint stuff I couldnt care less about, ditto for SDK etc.
I mean - this is why I would want an amiga system in the first place - I can tinker around with it as I am pleased, because it's a kind of system I know how to mess around with. :hammer: