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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: XDelusion on December 04, 2011, 12:39:03 AM
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I'm starting this thread to see what you all have been playing in DosBOX (under AROS obviously).
Anvil of Dawn
[youtube]LK4vkw1NsxY[/youtube]
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I have DOS_Box installed on MacOSX and have Forgotten Realms Unlimited Adventures (FRUA) installed. It allows you to make and run your own, or other people's game modules that are just like the Sierra Gold Box D&D games, like Pools of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, etc.
There is still a small group of people that make and publish modules for FRUA and it has a mailing list and forum site. Too bad FRUA was never ported to the Amiga 68k.
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I wish I had time to actually use my AROS Dosbox port :) Ive got a pretty full basket at the moment, trying to get back into making some original amiga software again, and a few other ports are eating up all my free time at the moment :)
There's lots of stuff Id like to try though, and some other stuff I was using for testing purposes Id like to play properly. System shock being one. Great game, but everytime I play it I get maybe halfway through, then get distracted and put it aside for so long I start it again, only for the exact same thing to happen :)
Id also love to try usng win9x and running windows software. While WinXP or linux dont run "natively" in Dosbox, Im very curious to try a virtual machine inside win9x (running on dosbox), and then trying other oses inside that :) Dosbox on even a semi modern x86 machine is reasonably fast so it could be a fun, and actually semi useful experiment. :)
As for the video posted, slightly off topic, but it wouldve been nice if we got a few games of this style towards the death end of commercial amiga games. Still "3d", as was the trend at the time, but the amigas "weakness" in this area isnt a concern in this game the way it is for a fps (which was what game developers tended on focus on for an upgraded amiga towards the end).
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I'm stuck at the wizard on level 7 of Ultima Underworld!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZsNTatF8fs[/youtube]
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I have 8 gigs+ of dos games leeched off various dos abandonware games sites.
I just don't have any time to play them.
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Oh, and just a quick note, there's a tool for creating harddrive images for use in dosbox that Ive compiled for aros as well. I'll include it in the archive when I get off my butt and upload a proper archive of latest dosbox.
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I have some abandonware downloads, but I've been trying to support these games by buying them from sites like Good Old Games (GOG.COM).
GOG is really great because they also weed out MOST of the incompatibilities, add extras like sound tracks, sell the games CHEAP and DRM free and run deals all the time.
No, I don't have any stock in the company. But if I could, I'd soooo buy in!
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Master of Magic with a couple of outstanding fan patches
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Wow, that GOG.com site is great. I think it's really neat what they are doing - providing old games in a safe, legitimate package compatible with modern OSs with no fuss for those not wanting to deal with emulators or shady dowload sites/torrents. Price is great, too.
It's funny how in the "About Us" though - they advise you not to pay any attention when your kid laughs at the graphics of these games because the the gameplay is more important. To me, these games look totally modern and have amazing graphics - as I'm still playing Commodore 64 and VIC-20 games with 8-bit graphics (which are fine for me). It seems funny to hear people talking with nostalgia about games from "only" 7 or 8 years ago (although I knew it would come eventually).
I can just see in about 30 years there will be a PS3 nostalgia forum (just like Amiga.org today) on some future versino of the internet where people complain that the new fully immersive holo-deck type games of 2041 are all flash and graphics and that games from "the golden age" of 2011 were so much simpler, more innocent and had better gameplay. Human nature.
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Hi,
@XDelusion
Obviously I don't use Aros, (tried it on a couple of machines but don't like the way it works), I would rather use a good OS like Ubuntu, but I do use DOSbox on it and I play such games as Doom, DoomII, Empire in DOSbox and on Euae. I also play Quake, Castle of Wolfestein. They all work great in DOSbox, oh yeah lets not forget Silent Service, and Great Naval Battles, and the Red Baron.
They all work great on Ubuntu with DosBox.
best regards
smerf
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I have 8 gigs+ of dos games leeched off various dos abandonware games sites.
I just don't have any time to play them.
That's the down side to being a collector. It becomes overwhelming at times, and it's hard to slow down and enjoy little gems that can be found in such collections, which was the original point of making my collection in the first place. After all these years, I'm finally getting the hang of it. I'm finally slowing down enough to fully experience a bit of what I have.
At this point, I'd say 30Tb plus of "stuff" is about enough these days, I'll never have the time to experience it all anyhow, though every now and then I find something else that I feel must be added! How ironic! :)
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J-Golden: GOG.COM
Curious! :)
fishy_fiz: Awesome to hear, this is MUCH needed!!!!! I have not received a copy of Win95a CD version yet, so maybe by the time I get it, your update release will be available... along with the PrBOOM update! ;)
AmigaDave: Forgotten Realms Unlimited Adventures...
How cool is that?! Thankx!!! :)
Everyone: Pictures and Photos please, especially for those rare gems!
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Last thing I played in DosBox was Crusader no remorse.
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Actually PRBoom has been put on hold until hardware renderer works again. Seems there's a few probs with aros sdl at the moment and some sdl+gl software will have probs when trying to use a gl context for rendering. I did actually finish the port, but its software rendering only for now, so I'll wait.
Oh, and incidently aros dosbox has a record to video option if you ever feel the urge to record what youre playing :)
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Tripitaka: Ya, me too! :)
Fish: Aghh, the curse of following developing Alt OS'.
Sometimes it sucks not being a developer in the coding sense, but alas I've got too many hobbies and such on the table right now.
When my faster machine is built, I'll have to play with that Video Record feature. I've got tons of unknown gems I'd love to share video of!
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Just for you XDelusion http://ua.reonis.com/index.php & http://frua.rosedragon.org/
Two sites that should get you started with FRUA.
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Ha ha, cool thanks man! :)
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If you are just running dosbox on a commodity pc, why not just run the programs under dos, lol.
Then again, I never could get AROS working in even a mediocre fashion, so I must be missing something. All due respect to the efforts made, but I've got a stack of PC mobos here and that OS doesn't see SATA on a single one of them.
I never understood the emulation under emulation deal anyways, like the guys who told me I could cheerfully run legacy amiga code on OS4 with the OS4 version of UAE.
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If you are just running dosbox on a commodity pc, why not just run the programs under dos, lol.
There are a number of reasons why installing real DOS on any reasonably modern PC isn't really a good solution for playing games.
Many games have speed problems on faster processors; not only running too fast but certain games are known to crash on launch when you try to run them on anything around 200MHz or faster due to a timing bug. Games that use prefetch-queue tricks won't work on Pentiums or newer.
Some games don't like more than 16MB of memory to be installed in your system.
Many games require you to fiddle with your memory manager to get varying amounts of EMS and XMS memory. Certain games are very fiddly to get working and require a configuration that pretty much won't work with anything else (Ultima 7 comes to mind....)
You'll possibly need to setup a seperate FAT16 or FAT32 partition on your hard drive for DOS (depending on what version of DOS you are running).
You have to set up CDROM and sound card drivers under DOS. CD drives can usually be done with the oakcdrom.sys on the win98 boot disk but good luck getting sound card drivers for anything remotely modern. Even then, many PCI sound cards and newer don't perform FM synthesis properly (like on the Adlib or Sound Blaster), often your music will sound terrible if it works at all. DOSBOX also allows you to use soundfonts for high quality general MIDI music, which under DOS would require an expensive wavetable soundcard or MIDI synth.
There are workarounds to many of these problems but DOSBOX gets around all of them, and you don't even have to reboot out of your main OS to use it :) And if you use a frontend like DFend Reloaded its even easier - just drag and drop :) Unfortunately that's windows only, not sure of any equivalents for AROS.
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@Duce
Funny you should sy that. Ive never had a pc mobo that doesnt work with AROS. And I use sata drives. It sometimes takes some bios tweaking, but at the end of the day probably 6 out of 7 pcs will work with AROS.
Care to name some of these mobos and the chipsets theyre using?
Also, what are you talking about when you say , "emulation under emulation" ?
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By "emulation under emulation" I mean the old argument that some OS4 fanatic gave me when I first bought my SAM, which I love by the way: For what it is.
He told me any old legacy Amiga program that won't natively run under OS4 can just be run in UAE for OS4. I understood the solution he was proposing, but didn't exactly rejoice in the fact I bought an overpriced and underpowered SAM just to have to run UAE - and in fact, I had no expectations of the SAM being able to run programs without a hitch that were coded 20 years ago, heh. I may have been optimistic, but I was also realistic when I got a "modern Amiga".
The fact remained I have a $100 PC beside me that can run all my old Amiga apps under Amithlon/3.1 100x faster than UAE on the SAM, so it was sort of a mixed bag of enjoying the modern SAM while realizing its' limitations.
Was also at that time I started trying to learn C to convert some of these old programs I would love to see run flawlessly and natively on my SAM, in my case - old BBS software.
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Sorry, it may appear Im being arguementative. It's not my intention, but Im a little confused here.
Os4 will run system friendly os3.x apps without the need for a form of uae. In fact in this regard its quite similar to amithlon (my fav. "amiga" system incidently) in that "only" system friendly 68k software will run without uae (even for amithlon). Granted amithlon/os3.x will run them much faster than a sam, but that doesnt elate the confusion :)
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Sorry, it may appear Im being arguementative. It's not my intention, but Im a little confused here.
Ya, that's my job! Actually mine's just to cause strife amongst those who take trivial things too seriously, arguments I could care less for. :)
Os4 will run system friendly os3.x apps without the need for a form of uae. In fact in this regard its quite similar to amithlon (my fav. "amiga" system incidently) in that "only" system friendly 68k software will run without uae (even for amithlon). Granted amithlon/os3.x will run them much faster than a sam, but that doesnt elate the confusion :)
Exactly! I discovered much the same thing when using MorphOS, many apps run, but those that hit the hardware directly, or were coded funky do not and require emulation...
...which is where Amithlon rules the day!!! I've no time to run an emulated Amiga environment on top of Windows, except maybe when setting up hard drives, but that's it!
On that note, I seriously hope that JIT gets ported over to the PPC incarnations of UAE, and I hope that some day UAE, gets the same kind of love, dedication, and attention that WinUAE gets...
The fact that Amiga users actually put more love into a Windows based Amiga emulator over all the non-Windows alternatives, just comes to me as a smack in the face. We grew up hating and loathing Microsoft...
...now a days everyone uses it without the slightest hint of shame...
Heh, and here I am talking about people who take trivial things too seriously. I guess in the grand scheme of things, even Amiga is trivial. ;)
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I would rather use a good OS like Ubuntu, but I do use DOSbox on it and I play such games as Doom, DoomII
When there happens to exists native game engines for old games then (usually) it's only disadvantageous to stick to the original engine:
* native efficiency > emulated original efficiency
* native controls (wasd + mouse look) > original controls
* native capabilities (gfx, sound, ...) > original capabilities
:)
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I agree with the previous poster, DOSBOX is just easier and better than keeping a real dos install or dos/win98 or earlier pc. You can run dosbox on windows,aros, macos,linux and more. So just keep a thumbdrive of your 8 or 16 gb dos partition and copy it accross all your machines.
I loved dos and used it more than anything else but amiga. I hated windows and being forced to use their ****ty gui, so I kept using dos for way longer than most folks. Remember, all the most powerful programs were written in dos longer after windows came around... On my dos dependance it was a mixture of things, but mostly due to all the most powerful games andprograms running on it that made me lik it so much as well as my music needs. (Ft2's fault mostly) I even kept a windows 98 pc into xp/vista days just to run dos programs.
Dosbox made that need for a dedicated dos pc no longer necessary. It runs most games and applications beautifully.
On aros, its easy to find a 3ghz single or dual core machine that dosn't use sata but ide. To me, its worth a bit of time to get it working, even if I have to buy extra parts/motherboards whatever on ebay for a couple of bucks.
AROS is progressing beautifully and its fun to tinker with. It runs on anything (with ide I suppose) and an emu10k sblive, intel pro 100 network card and supported gpu accelerated video cards. (more options too but going this route is easiest)
Long live amiga, but dos too please for some things... :roflmao:
Steven
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Ironically my AROS machine is mostly just for playing with DOSbox. At least till Wanderer becomes more feature rich like Ambient.
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Disney Studio and can not get SpaceQuest 1 to work.
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@runequester:
Yes, Master of Magic FTW!
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Disney Studio and can not get SpaceQuest 1 to work.
Assuming ScummVM on AROS ever gets an update and bug fix, you'll be able to use it to play through Space Quest 1-5 as well as the VGA remake of part one whick removes the need to type.
Of course if you run MorphOS you can enjoy them all now.
...are you trying to run Disney Studio on DOS box? I thought that only released on Amiga?
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Prince Of Persia II - Never Released for Amiga.
about five months ago that do not play again.. actually do not remember what level I am