More Micro AmigaOnes Coming

[falemagn]

Yeah, your Meanwhile link, whilst leading to a very good offer does have one little drawback, will it run OS4?

Ask Hyperion to get a license from AInc and port AOS4 to the peg.

They say they only need a license to do it, don't they? :-)

[falemagn]

No Faleamiga,

Err, faleamiga?

BBRV/Genesi/BPlan/Window Cleaner/Whoever wants to own up this week, to be responsible for the Pegasos, has to apply to Amiga Inc to get a license

That's what they keep telling you, but reason about it, it makes no sense whatsoever.

Anyone can buy a pegasos, anyone could be able to buy AOS4 to run on the pegasos. The license should be acquired by whoever does the port, because it's him/they who is/are going to get money out of selling AOS4, certainly not the producer of the board - unless there's a specific agreement.

There's absolutely zilch reason for which Genesi should buy a license from AInc in order for Hyperion to port AOS4 to the pegasos, for the simple fact that Genesi would be totally out of the whole business: I repeat it, anyone can buy a peg.

When they're asked to port AOS4 to the Mac, they do say they'd need a license to do it, but they never said that it would be Apple the one to get that license. It'd be so damned silly :-)

[falemagn]

Would you explain to me why you keep calling me "faleamiga"?

But as BBRV has already said in another thread on Amiga.org, they don't need to get Hyperion to port OS4 to the Pegasos, it's done already. Which, because it's already ported, means that asking Hyperion to get a license from Amiga Inc to port OS4 to the Pegasos, is pointless

Hyperion may have ported AOS4 to a microwave owen,  yet they'd not be able to sell/distribute it unless they got a license or otherwise got in a deal with someone who got a license. Or so they say.

You started this off by saying that AOS4 doesn't run/is not available on the Peg, that's why I said ask Hyperion to get a license.

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment.

[falemagn]

Hyperion have not ported OS4 to the Pegasos. Period Full Stop. Writing OS4 for the AmigaOne is a full time job as it is.

I couldn't care less where AOS4 runs, unless it runs on commodity HW I'm never going to buy it. However, from their point of view, it would make sense to target the widest possible potential customer base. Sticking with the AONE, considering that other productions of it aren't likely to be made, is a dead end.

[falemagn]

That's your opinion, not Alan's As I understand it, yes, things aren't good at the moment, but where you get the notion that more AmigaOnes will not be made is beyond me.

I'm sure you read the interview, right?

There won't be other productions of existing designs unless there's demand - there's no demand if the hardware keeps being the crappy hardware it is.

There will not be new designs - the hardware will keep being crappy.

All in all, even if they produced and sold 1000, 2000 AONE's more, that would just delay the death of the platform for a bit longer, it wouldn't certainly save it.

Yes, you can bet these are my opinions, but I dare you show they're baseless :-)

Since you don't have any intention of buying an AmigaOne or running OS4, why are you bothering?

Because I'm interested in the topic nonetheless.

Oh, did I say "because I can"? :-)

[falemagn]

There will be new designs of that I am sure.

Alan stated that's not the case. I dunno if you know more than Alan does, or if Alan just lied then.

The hardware isn't crappy, my Micro A1 is brill, everything works on it as it should

I consider "crappy" hardware any hardware that is blatantly overpriced for what it offers and/or has issues.

As to your reason for posting on this thread, it's plainly obvious to everyone, that you have ulterior motives.

Please, do state which motives would those be. I'm eager for a laughter ;-)

[falemagn]

- First thing to do: Ask Amiga, Inc for a license.
[...]
Who:
- Anybody, not necessarily the board manufacturer

You do confirm, then, that it could be you the one who could ask for such a license?

[falemagn]

Again, that's your opinion, Since you don't actually own one of the machines, it is obviously based on hearsay, rather than facts.

Ever crossed your mind that I do not own an Aone for the aforementioned reasons? It's overpriced, if it costed around $200 (no more) I would consider it. I don't consider AOS4 an enough good reason to spend so much money on such outdated hardware.

Those seem pretty hard facts to me, I certainly do not need to buy an Aone to know how much does it cost, and which problems it has, right?

Ask the majority of Micro AmigaOne owners and they will say they are happy with their purchases.
Yes, I will conceed that the hardware is expensive. But at least they are not unrealistic prices, considering the fact that the boards are not sold at a loss and have a price factor which allows dealers to eat and support their customers.

There's another board which could run AOS4, namely the peg, which is way more cost effective than the AmigaONE and has no hardware issues of any sort. It can even run an unpatched linux, go figure! :-) And it's not sold at a loss, for all we know.

No, I wouldn't buy a pegasos either, but I'm sure it would be certainly more attractive than the Aone.

We have been down this route many times elsewhere, not gonna start on that one again.

You never stated which motives would mine be, you only ever claimed I have those "ulterior motives". If you really think those motives exist, then enumerate them, or else just avoid making accusations you can't prove.

[falemagn]

Whilst technically, they *could* ask Amiga Inc for a license, I don't think they mean They are going to.

That appears clear to me. Considering that porting AOS4 to the peg would certainly increase sales on the desktop, either they think such increase in sales wouldn't cover the development and license costs (which however shouldn't be that big, considering the amount of work needed - as an example, AROS was ported to ppc in less than 100 man hours) or they're not interested in the desktop market.

[falemagn]

Actually the Pegasos *is* sold at a loss, BBRV himself admitted it.

You sure?

So, let's see, you don't own an Amigaone
Don't own a Pegasos.

Therefore, I conclude that the only reason you come on here is to cause aggrevation???

Yeaaah, I'm a big TROLL, didn't you know? :-)

[falemagn]

Hyperion are not gonna port AOS4 to the Pegasos unless someone pays them and Amiga Inc for a license.

You sound a bit upset. Chill down, we're just discussing.

Hyperion don't get license fees for AOS4, for what I understood, it's AInc that get those, so it could be Hyperion themselves who could ask AInc for such a license - as Rogue seems to have confirmed above.

Get over it, it's not happening. move on.

Get over it? Move on? Did I ever state I'm waiting for AOS4 to be ported to the pegasos, or something like that? We were just discussing and evaluating the various possibilities.

I've speculated on the motives for Hyperion to not port AOS4 to the pegasos - if you have anything to say about those, I'm eager to listen to you.

Use Aros, I hear it's getting there. Be happy in your choice and we'll be happy in ours.

I don't use AROS, I program it, for the fun of it. I use Linux and Windows daily, but, as you can see, I still feel an amigan pretty much like anyone else here. Luckily I don't need to have an "Amiga" sticker stamped on my forehead to be able to speak here or elsewhere.

Besides, as has already been stated by BBRV they alredy have OS4 running on the Pegasos. They don't need Hyperion to re write it.

Even if it were true, they can't distribute it.

Save the money, just get the license from Amiga inc direct and cut out the middle man (i.e. Hyperion)

Yeah, sure... ever heard of copyright laws? :-D

[falemagn]

Yes I did and so do a lot of other people.

You take me way too much seriously, sometines :-P

And on that note, I have posted all I wanted to post about this issue. I doubt if there is anything worth while to add. So I will not return back to this thread.

Take care!