More Micro AmigaOnes Coming

[System]

@Mikey_C

Now all we need is some icecream, sauces, and a cherry for a great banana split.

:-)

[logicalheart]

Amen Brother Doobrey, someone forgot that we are happy with our Amigas.  - Lars

[Mikey_C]

Now you are making me hungry wayne :-D

*rushes off to the shops for some bananas :-D

[strobe]

Wayne, Wayne, Wayne... :roll:

1) My point is that the PowerPC was NEVER the processor in the "bulk of new desktop machines". Thinking this was the case prior to 2006 is loony.

2) 68k never ruled the desktop. Gates&Co had taken over a long time prior. The only time Apple ever used the processor in most PCs was with the MOS 6502.

3) You are a paranoid schizophrenic. Classic textbook case:

Paranoid: Thinking the ODW release has any relation to either Apple or Eyetech/MAI.

Schizophrenic: Red, no blue, no red!!!

LOOK BEHIND YOU!!! It's the BOOGEYMAN!!

This thread needs more
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[System]

@strobe

Your personal attack on me is now removed.  

My comments have nothing to do with the Amiga or Pegasos.  My comments were about enforcing the WRITTEN rules.  What part of this do you not understand?

Let's examine this, step by step, shall we?

1) You hijacked a thread about the AmigaOne motherboards to advertise the Pegasos ODW.  If you  want to pretend that the ODW has nothing to do with the Amiga, why did you post an ODW advertisement in a thread about the AmigaOne motherboard?

Against the posted guidelines re: spamming

2) You deliberately went off-topic

Against the posted guidelines re: staying on topic

3) You have now crossed into the realm personal attacks

Against the posted guidelines re: no personal attacks

I know you're used to using Bill Buck's Moobunny and it's "honesty" (read: anarchy) but here we have rules.  Abide by them, or sod off.  End of story.

[Velcro_SP]

Mikey_C says "Alan Redhouse has stated that a new batch of Micro AmigaOne's are to be dispatched to dealers who have ordered, within a short period of time."

I can't find the part where he says "short period of time." He does say "So at the moment we are out of stock, we have mostly paid for the next batch and the manufacturer has everything lined up for production except the cpu's. I will post here when we receive them." And then two days ago he said about the "µA1-I" and "A1-XC" that "boards will only go into production when we have volume orders for them from industry."

So I don't see how you can announce "More Micro AmigaOnes Coming" in a "short period of time." You know a lot of people are going to read that and get the idea that they are on the way or something, but I don't see that that is the case.

I would read a lot of uncertainty in all of what Alan Redhouse has straightforwardly said recently. I guess I would interpret it like he has said, that they haven't fully paid for the next batch, and that the availability of CPUs is unknown. "The main reason for the delay has been the availability of cpus at the price IBM originally quoted."  So I think there's a lot of uncertainty there, and people ought to know that, rather than just being told that new A1s are on the way, or coming in a short period of time, as you said.

[System]

@Velcro

My personal interpretation is that they have a bunch of parts laying about and want to build up enough orders to buy the CPU's and clear them out so that they can at least break even and clear up a few shelves.  

I don't know, but I'm still not enthusiastic about the idea that anything beyond this "hopeful order" would be forthcoming in the future.  Alan pretty much said all that needs to be said the other day.  This seems more like damage control, official or not.

From that thread, I find this MOST interesting:

So at the moment we are out of stock, we have mostly paid for the next batch and the manufacturer has everything lined up for production except the cpu's.

I know that this is fodder for the trolls.  I don't intend it that way at all, but is it just me, or did Alan just hand us conclusive evidence that the AmigaOne motherboard is not their product and that they're only a "relabeller"?  

Just help me understand without trolling please.  Eyetech takes the Teron motherboard design, has someone else build the board (as well as handle parts acquisition management apparently) then puts their "AmigaOne" sticker on it?  I'm honestly asking because I don't know.  I guess I stopped trying to keep up some time ago, what with the other two other circus' in Amiga-town.

What exact part does Eyetech play in the AmigaOne, other than middle-man?

Wayne

[sundown]

Alan posted a couple more comments about the way Eyetech deals with the board manufacturer that should clear some things up.

thread

Software Hut has been saying they expect a new batch end of this month & I don't think Alan would have brought up the cpu shortage if he didn't expect the shortage to be resolved soon.

Time will tell.

[sundown]

@Wayne

It's common to out-source product lines. Can you imagine the cost to set up a production line, a lot. It's so much cheaper to take the design to a company that is already set up to stuff & build the boards. The out-sourcing company problably tests them too. Eyetech is just a distributor as far as I can tell.

[Kronos]

Of course, Genesi putting out such a specially priced machine the day after Alan pretty much declares the AmigaOne dead is a typical marketing decision by Genesi management which is designed to fragment the Amiga community and capitalize on people's disappointment from Alan's interview.

Sorry Wayne, but I think you are letting your personal problems with them block your view on reality.

The deal they stroke is real, and so is the pricing and therefore they offer would been made regardless of anything Amiga.

This "Genesi is doing this&that just because AInc/Hyperion/Eyetech...."-thing has been going on for years now, but honestly when should they have made the announcment ?

Last week when everything was sooooo o.k. on the red-side ?
When Alan declared the A1 dead ?
When Alan declared the A1 just delayed ?
When Ben starts babbling about mystery-devices and Cell ?
When someone brings up the ACK-boards ?
When Alan declares they now have an date for CPU-delivery ?
When Alan declares that this date has been missed ?
When Alan declares that the board are actually made ?

See, there is allways something going on that coincides with any blue announcment so that the conspiracy-theories can be fuelled.

[Wiffy]

@Wayne

Eyetech bought the design rights. For each model post XE he has also been the main point of contact for board redesigns between the designers and a small team of hardware people giving input.

Eyetech contracted a fab plant to make the boards in the far east ( same way IBM does btw ).

Eyetech takes shipment of those fabbed boards.

Eyetech sends them out, with AmigaONE stickers, to the dealers.

The dealers send them on.

This is normal business practise? What did you think Alan was sitting there with a soldering iron making each individual board?

This isn't the same as rebranding, which is to take someone elses product at the 'dealer' point, slap a different label on it, then ship it out.

[falemagn]

Yeah, your Meanwhile link, whilst leading to a very good offer does have one little drawback, will it run OS4?

Ask Hyperion to get a license from AInc and port AOS4 to the peg.

They say they only need a license to do it, don't they? :-)

[Mikey_C]

Okay I admit, I used a bit of Poetic License. "Short time" To me (Amiga wise) a short time is around a month or so. Now, admittedly, it could take longer. But I read what Alan had posted and to me, it seemed positive that the delivery of the CPU's would not be  much longer.

If you want to take what he said as meaning they'll be shipping sometime around Christmas, that's your problem

Mikey C

[Mikey_C]

No Faleamiga, BBRV/Genesi/BPlan/Window Cleaner/Whoever wants to own up this week, to be responsible for the Pegasos, has to apply to Amiga Inc to get a license

Then, you have to negotiate fees with Hyperion, for porting OS4 over.
However since BBRV claims that OS4 is already running on the Pegasos, before it's finished, no porting is required.

Mikey C

[falemagn]

No Faleamiga,

Err, faleamiga?

BBRV/Genesi/BPlan/Window Cleaner/Whoever wants to own up this week, to be responsible for the Pegasos, has to apply to Amiga Inc to get a license

That's what they keep telling you, but reason about it, it makes no sense whatsoever.

Anyone can buy a pegasos, anyone could be able to buy AOS4 to run on the pegasos. The license should be acquired by whoever does the port, because it's him/they who is/are going to get money out of selling AOS4, certainly not the producer of the board - unless there's a specific agreement.

There's absolutely zilch reason for which Genesi should buy a license from AInc in order for Hyperion to port AOS4 to the pegasos, for the simple fact that Genesi would be totally out of the whole business: I repeat it, anyone can buy a peg.

When they're asked to port AOS4 to the Mac, they do say they'd need a license to do it, but they never said that it would be Apple the one to get that license. It'd be so damned silly :-)

[Mikey_C]

faleamiga

But as BBRV has already said in another thread on Amiga.org, they don't need to get Hyperion to port OS4 to the Pegasos, it's done already. Which, because it's already ported, means that asking Hyperion to get a license from Amiga Inc to port OS4  to the Pegasos, is pointless

QED.