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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Hardware News => Topic started by: Mikey_C on June 09, 2005, 01:14:41 AM
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Alan Redhouse has stated that a new batch of Micro AmigaOne's are to be dispatched to dealers who have ordered, within a short period of time.
On this thread (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12882&forum=14#179826)
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Wow, you think this merits two exclamation points?
Meanwhile... (https://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php?category=10)
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I'm not fussed either way. Both Pegasos and Amiga machines will come with processors that are not going to be in the bulk of new desktop machines that are to be sold from 2006 onward, and therefore can be considered to be technologically marginalised, and as such are not desirable to me.
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dispatched without cpus... :-P
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Yeah, your Meanwhile link, whilst leading to a very good offer does have one little drawback, will it run OS4?
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@mattabat
So, what are you gonna do for future Amiga usage? Use WinUAE and run OS3.9?
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Both Pegasos and Amiga machines will come with processors that are not going to be in the bulk of new desktop machines that are to be sold from 2006 onward...
What on earth does that have to do with 2006?
Hell, since when was the 68k processor in the "bulk of new desktop machines" sold?! Between no way and no how, that's when!
BTW Mikey, you forgot the dancing bananas
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:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Happy to oblige
Mikey C
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EDIT:
Sorry, it is not allowed to go OT in any way. My fault.
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@djbase:
Yes, but for starters, this news item is clearly only about amigaone/os4, so bringing up pegasos/morphos i would call going OT ;-)
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@djbase,
The hijacking of this thread is, well, a bit desperate. Not only was strobe off-topic, but spamming in violation of the posting guidelines. It also violates the posted guideline about "staying on topic", so it's equally in the wrong.
That being said, I won't edit or delete the comment, because -- simply stated -- I don't need the aggravation of listening to all the "baby blue trolls" whining about "censorship" (when in fact, I would simply be enforcing the POSTED rules), but the incessant need to hijack Amiga-related threads by some seems fairly desperate to me.
Of course, Genesi putting out such a specially priced machine the day after Alan pretty much declares the AmigaOne dead is a typical marketing decision by Genesi management which is designed to fragment the Amiga community and capitalize on people's disappointment from Alan's interview.
In the end, buy whatever you want, run whatever you want. I don't really care, but the rules are in place for a reason. All I ask before you purchase either machine is that you do your research and decide for yourself which is a company that really deserves your hard-earned money for a product that may, or may not make it into the future beyond 2006.
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@strobe
What on earth does that have to do with 2006?
June 6th, 2006, Apple will introduce their X86-based Macintosh, meaning that PPC will -- from that moment -- make up less than 1% of the new desktop market. On June 6th, 2007, Apple will stop making PPC Macs altogether, meaning that there will be NO viability for the PPC on the desktop.
Hell, since when was the 68k processor in the "bulk of new desktop machines" sold?! Between no way and no how, that's when!
1985 actually, with the release of the Amiga and the Apple machines, the 68k ruled the desktop for a short while, until Gates and company took over.
Wayne
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.....and therefore can be considered to be technologically marginalised, and as such are not desirable to me.
What's wrong with just buying and using a machine because it does what you want?
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:banana:
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redfox
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@Mikey_C
Now all we need is some icecream, sauces, and a cherry for a great banana split.
:-)
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Amen Brother Doobrey, someone forgot that we are happy with our Amigas. - Lars
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Now you are making me hungry wayne :-D
*rushes off to the shops for some bananas :-D
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Wayne, Wayne, Wayne... :roll:
1) My point is that the PowerPC was NEVER the processor in the "bulk of new desktop machines". Thinking this was the case prior to 2006 is loony.
2) 68k never ruled the desktop. Gates&Co had taken over a long time prior. The only time Apple ever used the processor in most PCs was with the MOS 6502.
3) You are a paranoid schizophrenic. Classic textbook case:
Paranoid: Thinking the ODW release has any relation to either Apple or Eyetech/MAI.
Schizophrenic: Red, no blue, no red!!!
LOOK BEHIND YOU!!! It's the BOOGEYMAN!!
This thread needs more
:banana: :banana: :banana:
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@strobe
Your personal attack on me is now removed.
My comments have nothing to do with the Amiga or Pegasos. My comments were about enforcing the WRITTEN rules. What part of this do you not understand?
Let's examine this, step by step, shall we?
1) You hijacked a thread about the AmigaOne motherboards to advertise the Pegasos ODW. If you want to pretend that the ODW has nothing to do with the Amiga, why did you post an ODW advertisement in a thread about the AmigaOne motherboard?
Against the posted guidelines re: spamming
2) You deliberately went off-topic
Against the posted guidelines re: staying on topic
3) You have now crossed into the realm personal attacks
Against the posted guidelines re: no personal attacks
I know you're used to using Bill Buck's Moobunny and it's "honesty" (read: anarchy) but here we have rules. Abide by them, or sod off. End of story.
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Mikey_C says "Alan Redhouse has stated that a new batch of Micro AmigaOne's are to be dispatched to dealers who have ordered, within a short period of time."
I can't find the part where he says "short period of time." He does say "So at the moment we are out of stock, we have mostly paid for the next batch and the manufacturer has everything lined up for production except the cpu's. I will post here when we receive them." And then two days ago he said about the "µA1-I" and "A1-XC" that "boards will only go into production when we have volume orders for them from industry."
So I don't see how you can announce "More Micro AmigaOnes Coming" in a "short period of time." You know a lot of people are going to read that and get the idea that they are on the way or something, but I don't see that that is the case.
I would read a lot of uncertainty in all of what Alan Redhouse has straightforwardly said recently. I guess I would interpret it like he has said, that they haven't fully paid for the next batch, and that the availability of CPUs is unknown. "The main reason for the delay has been the availability of cpus at the price IBM originally quoted." So I think there's a lot of uncertainty there, and people ought to know that, rather than just being told that new A1s are on the way, or coming in a short period of time, as you said.
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@Velcro
My personal interpretation is that they have a bunch of parts laying about and want to build up enough orders to buy the CPU's and clear them out so that they can at least break even and clear up a few shelves.
I don't know, but I'm still not enthusiastic about the idea that anything beyond this "hopeful order" would be forthcoming in the future. Alan pretty much said all that needs to be said the other day. This seems more like damage control, official or not.
From that thread, I find this MOST interesting:
So at the moment we are out of stock, we have mostly paid for the next batch and the manufacturer has everything lined up for production except the cpu's.
I know that this is fodder for the trolls. I don't intend it that way at all, but is it just me, or did Alan just hand us conclusive evidence that the AmigaOne motherboard is not their product and that they're only a "relabeller"?
Just help me understand without trolling please. Eyetech takes the Teron motherboard design, has someone else build the board (as well as handle parts acquisition management apparently) then puts their "AmigaOne" sticker on it? I'm honestly asking because I don't know. I guess I stopped trying to keep up some time ago, what with the other two other circus' in Amiga-town.
What exact part does Eyetech play in the AmigaOne, other than middle-man?
Wayne
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Alan posted a couple more comments about the way Eyetech deals with the board manufacturer that should clear some things up.
thread (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2346)
Software Hut has been saying they expect a new batch end of this month & I don't think Alan would have brought up the cpu shortage if he didn't expect the shortage to be resolved soon.
Time will tell.
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@Wayne
It's common to out-source product lines. Can you imagine the cost to set up a production line, a lot. It's so much cheaper to take the design to a company that is already set up to stuff & build the boards. The out-sourcing company problably tests them too. Eyetech is just a distributor as far as I can tell.
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Of course, Genesi putting out such a specially priced machine the day after Alan pretty much declares the AmigaOne dead is a typical marketing decision by Genesi management which is designed to fragment the Amiga community and capitalize on people's disappointment from Alan's interview.
Sorry Wayne, but I think you are letting your personal problems with them block your view on reality.
The deal they stroke is real, and so is the pricing and therefore they offer would been made regardless of anything Amiga.
This "Genesi is doing this&that just because AInc/Hyperion/Eyetech...."-thing has been going on for years now, but honestly when should they have made the announcment ?
Last week when everything was sooooo o.k. on the red-side ?
When Alan declared the A1 dead ?
When Alan declared the A1 just delayed ?
When Ben starts babbling about mystery-devices and Cell ?
When someone brings up the ACK-boards ?
When Alan declares they now have an date for CPU-delivery ?
When Alan declares that this date has been missed ?
When Alan declares that the board are actually made ?
See, there is allways something going on that coincides with any blue announcment so that the conspiracy-theories can be fuelled.
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@Wayne
Eyetech bought the design rights. For each model post XE he has also been the main point of contact for board redesigns between the designers and a small team of hardware people giving input.
Eyetech contracted a fab plant to make the boards in the far east ( same way IBM does btw ).
Eyetech takes shipment of those fabbed boards.
Eyetech sends them out, with AmigaONE stickers, to the dealers.
The dealers send them on.
This is normal business practise? What did you think Alan was sitting there with a soldering iron making each individual board?
This isn't the same as rebranding, which is to take someone elses product at the 'dealer' point, slap a different label on it, then ship it out.
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Yeah, your Meanwhile link, whilst leading to a very good offer does have one little drawback, will it run OS4?
Ask Hyperion to get a license from AInc and port AOS4 to the peg.
They say they only need a license to do it, don't they? :-)
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Okay I admit, I used a bit of Poetic License. "Short time" To me (Amiga wise) a short time is around a month or so. Now, admittedly, it could take longer. But I read what Alan had posted and to me, it seemed positive that the delivery of the CPU's would not be much longer.
If you want to take what he said as meaning they'll be shipping sometime around Christmas, that's your problem
Mikey C
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No Faleamiga, BBRV/Genesi/BPlan/Window Cleaner/Whoever wants to own up this week, to be responsible for the Pegasos, has to apply to Amiga Inc to get a license
Then, you have to negotiate fees with Hyperion, for porting OS4 over.
However since BBRV claims that OS4 is already running on the Pegasos, before it's finished, no porting is required.
Mikey C
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No Faleamiga,
Err, faleamiga?
BBRV/Genesi/BPlan/Window Cleaner/Whoever wants to own up this week, to be responsible for the Pegasos, has to apply to Amiga Inc to get a license
That's what they keep telling you, but reason about it, it makes no sense whatsoever.
Anyone can buy a pegasos, anyone could be able to buy AOS4 to run on the pegasos. The license should be acquired by whoever does the port, because it's him/they who is/are going to get money out of selling AOS4, certainly not the producer of the board - unless there's a specific agreement.
There's absolutely zilch reason for which Genesi should buy a license from AInc in order for Hyperion to port AOS4 to the pegasos, for the simple fact that Genesi would be totally out of the whole business: I repeat it, anyone can buy a peg.
When they're asked to port AOS4 to the Mac, they do say they'd need a license to do it, but they never said that it would be Apple the one to get that license. It'd be so damned silly :-)
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faleamiga
But as BBRV has already said in another thread on Amiga.org, they don't need to get Hyperion to port OS4 to the Pegasos, it's done already. Which, because it's already ported, means that asking Hyperion to get a license from Amiga Inc to port OS4 to the Pegasos, is pointless
QED.
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Would you explain to me why you keep calling me "faleamiga"?
But as BBRV has already said in another thread on Amiga.org, they don't need to get Hyperion to port OS4 to the Pegasos, it's done already. Which, because it's already ported, means that asking Hyperion to get a license from Amiga Inc to port OS4 to the Pegasos, is pointless
Hyperion may have ported AOS4 to a microwave owen, yet they'd not be able to sell/distribute it unless they got a license or otherwise got in a deal with someone who got a license. Or so they say.
You started this off by saying that AOS4 doesn't run/is not available on the Peg, that's why I said ask Hyperion to get a license.
It was a tongue-in-cheek comment.
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falemagn (third time lucky)
Hyperion have not ported OS4 to the Pegasos. Period Full Stop. Writing OS4 for the AmigaOne is a full time job as it is.
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Hyperion have not ported OS4 to the Pegasos. Period Full Stop. Writing OS4 for the AmigaOne is a full time job as it is.
I couldn't care less where AOS4 runs, unless it runs on commodity HW I'm never going to buy it. However, from their point of view, it would make sense to target the widest possible potential customer base. Sticking with the AONE, considering that other productions of it aren't likely to be made, is a dead end.
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falemagn
That's your opinion, not Alan's As I understand it, yes, things aren't good at the moment, but where you get the notion that more AmigaOnes will not be made is beyond me.
Since you don't have any intention of buying an AmigaOne or running OS4, why are you bothering?
Mikey C
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That's your opinion, not Alan's As I understand it, yes, things aren't good at the moment, but where you get the notion that more AmigaOnes will not be made is beyond me.
I'm sure you read the interview, right?
There won't be other productions of existing designs unless there's demand - there's no demand if the hardware keeps being the crappy hardware it is.
There will not be new designs - the hardware will keep being crappy.
All in all, even if they produced and sold 1000, 2000 AONE's more, that would just delay the death of the platform for a bit longer, it wouldn't certainly save it.
Yes, you can bet these are my opinions, but I dare you show they're baseless :-)
Since you don't have any intention of buying an AmigaOne or running OS4, why are you bothering?
Because I'm interested in the topic nonetheless.
Oh, did I say "because I can"? :-)
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Okay I admit, I used a bit of Poetic License. "Short time" To me (Amiga wise) a short time is around a month or so. Now, admittedly, it could take longer. But I read what Alan had posted and to me, it seemed positive that the delivery of the CPU's would not be much longer. If you want to take what he said as meaning they'll be shipping sometime around Christmas, that's your problem
@Mikey_C:
No, he didn't say anything about Christmas either. I'm not going to read any date into what the man said. Going by the sum of what he said though, it doesn't seem like it'll be soon to me. Where's he going to get the money to finish paying the board maker? Where is the board maker going to get the CPUs when IBM doesn't want to sell them at the cheap rate? Didn't Alan just remark that Eyetech would have financially done better to avoid the whole A1 project altogether and gift each A1 owner with $500 instead? "In fact as it stands today it would have been far cheaper for us to have given all current board owners $500 each not to buy a board and walked away from the whole Amiga scene in early 2001." So he is supposed to stick his neck out again to get this new batch on the way soon? Where's the money going to come from?
Anyhow, I don't know if it will be soon or not. I leave that to Eyetech to announce if the boards are on the way and it will be soon. But I definitely don't think headlines should be crafted to put out this "A1s coming" "short time" stuff when Eyetech has just identified some real issues that have to be overcome. I think people who don't examine the 20 questions and details too closely are going to get a wrong idea from this kind of headline and blurb, and surely you don't want that, to lead them on and keep them hanging or something.
As for poetic license... Bill McEwen and Fleecy Moss used poetic license. I suppose "on schedule and rockin'" was a little poetic license. Bill Buck also managed to tick people off with poetic license about "no Mai without April." I think we could use a little less poetic license and a little more factualness.
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There will be new designs of that I am sure. :-)
The hardware isn't crappy, my Micro A1 is brill, everything works on it as it should :-)
Sure there a couple of OS issues still needing to be addressed, but then, unlike the version of OS4 that Genesi have for the Pegasos, it's not finished yet.
Also, Previous to having the Micro AmigaOne, My A1200T had been my main computer since 1993. So, if I have to use the Micro A1 for the next 4-5 years, it isn't any hardship to me.
As I said in my Micro AmigaOne review, OS4 (pre release) runs very fast indeed, and DMA hasn't even been enabled yet!
Nice bit of Kit to be honest.
As to your reason for posting on this thread, it's plainly obvious to everyone, that you have ulterior motives. Still as you say, it's your right to say what you want, and I defend your right to say it, even if I don't agree with it.
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@Hobbyist
With Regards to payment of the board, I will quote in it's entirity what Alan said on the matter on Amigaworld.net.
Another misinterpretaion I'm afraid.
We are not 'saving up to pay the rest' as you are tring to imply. We paid the majority up front several months ago and pay the balance on delivery, as that gave us the best prices by taking the financing of the component costs (and the manufacturing set up costs) away from the manufacturer.
But with a (very) sustantial six-figure sum paid over to them several months ago we are clearly doing everything possible to expedite the delivery of the boards.
You are completely correct on one point - they won't get built until we receive the cpus.
Alan
Original Source
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2346&start=0#26490
Mikey C
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There will be new designs of that I am sure.
Alan stated that's not the case. I dunno if you know more than Alan does, or if Alan just lied then.
The hardware isn't crappy, my Micro A1 is brill, everything works on it as it should
I consider "crappy" hardware any hardware that is blatantly overpriced for what it offers and/or has issues.
As to your reason for posting on this thread, it's plainly obvious to everyone, that you have ulterior motives.
Please, do state which motives would those be. I'm eager for a laughter ;-)
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@ thread
One-time post. Don't bother following up on this, or starting to "discuss" it. I'm repeating (for the umpteenth time) the conditions for a Pegasos 2 port, and that's the last and only thing I say in this thread:
What:
- First thing to do: Ask Amiga, Inc for a license.
- Second thing to do: Clear up the modalities of the porting process with Hyperion.
(If you're nice, you'll notify Hyperion before going for step one).
Who:
- Anybody, not necessarily the board manufacturer
I hope that clears it up. Please note that before anybody screams "Why should somebody spent money on this": Nobody said anybody would need to spent money on this. How and now much money will flow in what direction is up for discussion *of the involved parties*. Rogue once posted a rough calculation of how much a port would cost, but that's just an estimation, and who will actually pay that depends on the modalities worked out in step 2.
I heard a lot of nonsense like "The license will cost $ X0000" and such stuff. No, it doesn't. Fact is, nobody of you here knows how much it will cost, or if it will cost anything at all.
And no, we have not ported OS4 to the Pegasos (yet).
Thanks for listening. We now return to the regular program
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I consider "crappy" hardware any hardware that is blatantly overpriced for what it offers and/or has issues.
Again, that's your opinion, Since you don't actually own one of the machines, it is obviously based on hearsay, rather than facts.
Ask the majority of Micro AmigaOne owners and they will say they are happy with their purchases.
Yes, I will conceed that the hardware is expensive. But at least they are not unrealistic prices, considering the fact that the boards are not sold at a loss and have a price factor which allows dealers to eat and support their customers.
Please, do state which motives would those be. I'm eager for a laughter
We have been down this route many times elsewhere, not gonna start on that one again.
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- First thing to do: Ask Amiga, Inc for a license.
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Who:
- Anybody, not necessarily the board manufacturer
You do confirm, then, that it could be you the one who could ask for such a license?
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Whilst technically, they *could* ask Amiga Inc for a license, I don't think they mean They are going to.
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Again, that's your opinion, Since you don't actually own one of the machines, it is obviously based on hearsay, rather than facts.
Ever crossed your mind that I do not own an Aone for the aforementioned reasons? It's overpriced, if it costed around $200 (no more) I would consider it. I don't consider AOS4 an enough good reason to spend so much money on such outdated hardware.
Those seem pretty hard facts to me, I certainly do not need to buy an Aone to know how much does it cost, and which problems it has, right?
Ask the majority of Micro AmigaOne owners and they will say they are happy with their purchases.
Yes, I will conceed that the hardware is expensive. But at least they are not unrealistic prices, considering the fact that the boards are not sold at a loss and have a price factor which allows dealers to eat and support their customers.
There's another board which could run AOS4, namely the peg, which is way more cost effective than the AmigaONE and has no hardware issues of any sort. It can even run an unpatched linux, go figure! :-) And it's not sold at a loss, for all we know.
No, I wouldn't buy a pegasos either, but I'm sure it would be certainly more attractive than the Aone.
We have been down this route many times elsewhere, not gonna start on that one again.
You never stated which motives would mine be, you only ever claimed I have those "ulterior motives". If you really think those motives exist, then enumerate them, or else just avoid making accusations you can't prove.
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Whilst technically, they *could* ask Amiga Inc for a license, I don't think they mean They are going to.
That appears clear to me. Considering that porting AOS4 to the peg would certainly increase sales on the desktop, either they think such increase in sales wouldn't cover the development and license costs (which however shouldn't be that big, considering the amount of work needed - as an example, AROS was ported to ppc in less than 100 man hours) or they're not interested in the desktop market.
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Actually the Pegasos *is* sold at a loss, BBRV himself admitted it.
Trawl back through ANN and you'll find the relevant quote. Along the lines of they would need to sell over 15,000 boards a month to make it financially viable.
So, let's see, you don't own an Amigaone
Don't own a Pegasos.
Therefore, I conclude that the only reason you come on here is to cause aggrevation???
Mikey C
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Actually the Pegasos *is* sold at a loss, BBRV himself admitted it.
You sure (http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/114745.shtml)?
So, let's see, you don't own an Amigaone
Don't own a Pegasos.
Therefore, I conclude that the only reason you come on here is to cause aggrevation???
Yeaaah, I'm a big TROLL, didn't you know? :-)
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falemagn
Hyperion are not gonna port AOS4 to the Pegasos unless someone pays them and Amiga Inc for a license. Get over it, it's not happening. move on. Use Aros, I hear it's getting there. Be happy in your choice and we'll be happy in ours.
Besides, as has already been stated by BBRV they alredy have OS4 running on the Pegasos. They don't need Hyperion to re write it.
Save the money, just get the license from Amiga inc direct and cut out the middle man (i.e. Hyperion)
On the very subject of OS4 for the Pegasos, Rogue has just posted on Amiga.org with regards to this matter the link is here
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16186
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Hyperion are not gonna port AOS4 to the Pegasos unless someone pays them and Amiga Inc for a license.
You sound a bit upset. Chill down, we're just discussing.
Hyperion don't get license fees for AOS4, for what I understood, it's AInc that get those, so it could be Hyperion themselves who could ask AInc for such a license - as Rogue seems to have confirmed above.
Get over it, it's not happening. move on.
Get over it? Move on? Did I ever state I'm waiting for AOS4 to be ported to the pegasos, or something like that? We were just discussing and evaluating the various possibilities.
I've speculated on the motives for Hyperion to not port AOS4 to the pegasos - if you have anything to say about those, I'm eager to listen to you.
Use Aros, I hear it's getting there. Be happy in your choice and we'll be happy in ours.
I don't use AROS, I program it, for the fun of it. I use Linux and Windows daily, but, as you can see, I still feel an amigan pretty much like anyone else here. Luckily I don't need to have an "Amiga" sticker stamped on my forehead to be able to speak here or elsewhere.
Besides, as has already been stated by BBRV they alredy have OS4 running on the Pegasos. They don't need Hyperion to re write it.
Even if it were true, they can't distribute it.
Save the money, just get the license from Amiga inc direct and cut out the middle man (i.e. Hyperion)
Yeah, sure... ever heard of copyright laws? :-D
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Yeaaah, I'm a big TROLL, didn't you know? :-)
Yes I did and so do a lot of other people.
And on that note, I have posted all I wanted to post about this issue. I doubt if there is anything worth while to add. So I will not return back to this thread.
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Yes I did and so do a lot of other people.
You take me way too much seriously, sometines :-P
And on that note, I have posted all I wanted to post about this issue. I doubt if there is anything worth while to add. So I will not return back to this thread.
Take care!
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Actually the Pegasos *is* sold at a loss
Define "sold at a loss".
a) cheaper than parts+assembly, clearly not the case with the Peg2 (the Peg1 may be a different matter due to the costly April-fix, but good costumer-care has to be done regardless of + or -)
b) doesn't pay for all running costs, well thats quite naturally when you want to build a market (and just as a sidenote, under this definition OS4 is also sold at a loss).
c) units sold sofar didn't recoup all development-cost (on top of a+b), well under this definition every new car model is sold at a loss during the first 2-3 production years, and didn't Alan just recently state that he would still be in the red with his A1-adventure ?
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This isn't the same as rebranding, which is to take someone elses product at the 'dealer' point, slap a different label on it, then ship it out.
@Wiffy and everyone else
Thank you. That's what I needed to know. Without knowing exactly what was happening, it simply appeared differently. As I said, it was not my intent to troll, I was just trying to understand what part Eyetech actually played, if not as a "rebadger".
Wayne
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Wiffy said:
This isn't the same as rebranding, which is to take someone elses product at the 'dealer' point, slap a different label on it, then ship it out.
Er, why the "at the dealer point" modifier?
When did rebranding stop being rebranding when someone else's product is taken at the manufacturing point to be... rebranded? Don't all distributors of rebranded goods buy the stuff at the manufacturing point, or from whole-sale dealers/exporters?
I still don't see why people still seem to try to hide or re-phrase the fact that "AmigaOnes" are rebranded Terons. It's not the rebranding per se that's bad or embarrassing.
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falemagn said:
Ask Hyperion to get a license from AInc and port AOS4 to the peg.
They say they only need a license to do it, don't they? :-)
Heh!
Well, insane times take insane measures. The software producer would benefit from selling their software. Hardware producers are either hostile towards or couldn't care less about that software. But there's a licensing requirement in order to sell the software for more hardware. Ergo, to sell more software, the software producer has to buy "their own" licence and start selling hardware.
Perhaps Hyperion will have better luck getting a reply from AInc. :D
The post-Amiga world doesn't make any sense, but it sure isn't boring. :)
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falemagn: There won't be other productions of existing designs unless there's demand - there's no demand if the hardware keeps being the crappy hardware it is.
Exactly.
MikeyC: There will be new designs of that I am sure.
Nobody even remotely connected to Amiga will design them -- only recycle them.
MikeyC: The hardware isn't crappy, my Micro A1 is brill, everything works on it as it should
My Celeron 400 works as it should, too, but that didn't stop me from replacing it with an Athlon 1600+, and then a high-end P4.
To people who have had to deal with 50Mhz CPUs for a decade, PPC seems like a miracle. Those of us with real hardware know better. I see no point in using oddball hardware if it works no better than, say, a vanilla Athlon system. There are plenty of MicroATX PC systems to choose from, and most of them blow away the Micro AmigaOne.
Then again, I do actual work. I'm not the kind of person who's satisfied browsing the Internet, using AIM, and playing cheezy Flash games all day like the bottom 90% of computer owners. Do Amigans fall into that class of people? If so, they aren't the same DeluxePainting, ProTracking, FredFishing, public-domaining community I grew up with, that's for sure.
falemagn: It's overpriced, if it costed around $200 (no more) I would consider it.
Well, it would have to be more than that given that it comes with a CPU, and they need extra insurance because of the small volume. Macs have never been cheap, either.
I still say it would have been nice if Amiga had chosen just one x86 chipset and graphics card to support. At the very least, it gives a whole lot of CPU choices.
falemagn: No, I wouldn't buy a pegasos either, but I'm sure it would be certainly more attractive than the Aone.
The price bracket is about the same. The Pegasos II may not have the same bugs as the AmigaOne due to the different chipsets, but they have most the same technical shortcomings.
falemagn: Considering that porting AOS4 to the peg would certainly increase sales on the desktop...
Another grand advantage to Amiga on x86: less petty politics.
Kronos: Define "sold at a loss".
No net profit.
Prototype runs, defective products, returns, unsold product, storage, shipping, advertising, service, tech support, middlemen, developer support, legal crap...
Hardware is a cutthroat business. You can't do low-level and high-level stuff at the same time unless you're rich.
Seehund: Well, insane times take insane measures.
Will there ever be sane times?
Seehund: Perhaps Hyperion will have better luck getting a reply from AInc. :D
Yeah, what are partners for? :-)
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