Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...

[OlafS3]

Why is it every time someone want to improve and give great hardware the developers of an outdated system cry foul? When was the last time P96 was even updated, I think the last version was released in like the late 90's? People don't release new cards for Amiga because of this stupid crap. Open up a damn donation site and start allowing others to pay them. Its that simple. If they write an update, charge for it. How hard is that to understand?

We have so many examples of people wanting to pay for software and new hardware on the Amiga platforms and just as many examples of developers not allowing for a way to pay them or worse yet they ignore customers wanting to pay.

Simply because it is easy money. They are not interested anymore and will not invest any time in it and do not care about amiga anymore but when you get money from something that was wortless before just by requesting then you do it... that lack of common sense partly killed the platform because it was typical for most members of the community with everyone sueing everyone

[grond]

I believe it's more a case of irrational behaviour caused by hurt feelings because the work, skill and idealism that went into picasso was never recognised. And then doing something takes more effort than just ignoring the entire situation.

[utri007]

Just wondering why clone Picasso II? There are much faster Graphics cards wich has schematics lying around, chips availlable and support for Zorro III.

As I have understand it is possible and actually very easy read chips data?

[zipper]

With a GD5434 it's merely a Piccolo clone, just a plain ZorroII version. And that's why something much faster has no use with ZorroII 3.5 MB/s max "speed" which isn't enough even for 640x480 at good fps.

[kolla]

I believe it's more a case of irrational behaviour caused by hurt feelings because the work, skill and idealism that went into picasso was never recognised. And then doing something takes more effort than just ignoring the entire situation.

Legally, nothing has to be done. Anyone who wants can legally develop drivers without using the original DDK and distribute them as they see fit. An effort could be put into making a third party open and available DDK for P96, based on studying and reverse engineering existing drivers, and legally there is nothing the original authors can do about it (though I would love to see them try.)

[utri007]

With a GD5434 it's merely a Piccolo clone, just a plain ZorroII version. And that's why something much faster has no use with ZorroII 3.5 MB/s max "speed" which isn't enough even for 640x480 at good fps.

That was excatly my point. Why to limit it to Zorro II? Why they choosed poor chip and support only for Zorro II?

Tseng Labs ET4000W32 offers some FPS more for Quake even with Zorro II bus, compared to Cirrus Logic GD5434. Easiest to found amiga supported chip is however S3 Virge.

[zipper]

Because it's made primarily for A500 and at a low price.
Actually it started from Georg Braun's Amiga 1000 GBA060 replacement motherboard.

[guest11527]

That was excatly my point. Why to limit it to Zorro II?  

Essentially because Zorro-III is a can of worms. There are multiple Buster revisions around, ranging from "less working" to "more working", and nobody can currently affort to provide sufficient service for the card and work out all the tweaking necssary for Zorro-III. It's also a matter of the complexity of the design. Zorro-III needs to run both Zorro-II slots and the handover to Zorro-III, then native Zorro-III support.  

Why they choosed poor chip and support only for Zorro II?

Because the GD5434 is still available in quantities, unlike many other chips of similar age. The GD5446 (from the P-IV) is, for example, certainly a more powerful chip, but you simply do not find it in sufficient quantities for reasonable prices.

The GD5434 is certainly an old chip, but it supports a couple of features that makes it interesting, like a true hardware sprite and a blitter (both of which are supported by P96).    

Tseng Labs ET4000W32 offers some FPS more for Quake even with Zorro II bus, compared to Cirrus Logic GD5434. Easiest to found amiga supported chip is however S3 Virge.

And where to buy them from for prices that allow to sell the cards for end-user friendly prices?

[Acill]

Legally, nothing has to be done. Anyone who wants can legally develop drivers without using the original DDK and distribute them as they see fit. An effort could be put into making a third party open and available DDK for P96, based on studying and reverse engineering existing drivers, and legally there is nothing the original authors can do about it (though I would love to see them try.)

This is exactly what ends up happening. People want something, are willing to invest money into it and yet the developers don't care. In the end they will make it work without them and a good opportunity for the developers is wasted.

I would put money towards seeing P96 revived and developed for newer hardware and more features.

[guest11527]

Actually the work and skill that went into picasso is respected  a lot. How much would they want to release all picasso sources under the GPL?

Please let me make a couple of statements here:  

First, I don't think this forum is the right spot to start negotiations. Yes, I do have contact to the authors, and yes, I know the figure they expect. But please understand that I'm not the right partner to negotiate with, as I have no rights on the actual code. I can at best moderate.

However, if you want to take my personal observations: From what I learned from Alex, I would *personally* consider it unlikely that they are willing to provide P96 under LGPL terms, even if you would want to pay for this right. But that is, as said, my observation, and something you should discuss with them.

I believe you have the email address, but - to be completely frank again - their willingness to talk to the Apollo team given what happened before seems not to be "overly enthusiastic", to put it mildly. I would assume that you - your team - should make some first step, probably to make them understand that you accept their rights.

Anyhow, just my two cents. I am neither with them nor any other party, that's just my opinion and my observation.

[Cosmos]

Please let me make a couple of statements here:  

First, I don't think this forum is the right spot to start negotiations. Yes, I do have contact to the authors, and yes, I know the figure they expect. But please understand that I'm not the right partner to negotiate with, as I have no rights on the actual code. I can at best moderate.

However, if you want to take my personal observations: From what I learned from Alex, I would *personally* consider it unlikely that they are willing to provide P96 under LGPL terms, even if you would want to pay for this right. But that is, as said, my observation, and something you should discuss with them.

I believe you have the email address, but - to be completely frank again - their willingness to talk to the Apollo team given what happened before seems not to be "overly enthusiastic", to put it mildly. I would assume that you - your team - should make some first step, probably to make them understand that you accept their rights.

Anyhow, just my two cents. I am neither with them nor any other party, that's just my opinion and my observation.

And we want a clean P96 installation for the Indivision ECS, Mediator 3dfx and Radeon...

[Gulliver]

And we want a clean P96 installation for the Indivision ECS, Mediator 3dfx and Radeon...

You forgot Amithlon, GBAPII++, VampireV2 (SAGA), Arcade Replay, etc

But that is fairly easy to achieve.

I am working on it.

[WeiXing3D]

OK, after returning from almost 1 month of business travel, and reading this thread, I jumped in the wagon and bought my own Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter.

So question, and I should have asked this before my purchase: Do I need any additional accesory(ies) to install the card in my A3000D, w/A3640? My video/gfx Zorro slot (the very top one in my setup) is free since I don't have any gfx card at this moment.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

So question, and I should have asked this before my purchase: Do I need any additional accesory(ies) to install the card in my A3000D, w/A3640? My video/gfx Zorro slot (the very top one in my setup) is free since I don't have any gfx card at this moment.

Doesn't look like it from the pictures.    FYI most video cards only use a Zorro slot, with the exception of cards like the PIV (that requires the video slot for it's scandoubler module).

[Acill]

OK, after returning from almost 1 month of business travel, and reading this thread, I jumped in the wagon and bought my own Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter.

So question, and I should have asked this before my purchase: Do I need any additional accesory(ies) to install the card in my A3000D, w/A3640? My video/gfx Zorro slot (the very top one in my setup) is free since I don't have any gfx card at this moment.

Also post #8 and #9 in this thread have the link for the monitor file you use. Be sure to rename the files and edit the icon info as well as mentioned in post 8.

[kolla]

I am lost - what happened before between Apollo team and P96 authors? Has the Vampire2 existed long enough to make the P96 authors grumpy already? Hilarious.