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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: IBase on July 24, 2003, 10:48:15 PM
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When I Was child I saw the Amiga vs Atari battle,
then the Amiga1.3 vs Amiga 3.0 (!!) and the Amiga vs MSDos.
The final battle (Amiga vs Windows) was our defeat (I joined the "Amiga army" with my a1200), but we still continued our battles (do you remember the Amiga vs p-Os battle?).
Altough I think that this keeps the platform alive, do you REALLY think that we need to fight agains a brother os like MOS? I would have never started the project because of the community split it has produced, but since it is here ...
regards,
Claudio
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Hi IBase,
i can understand the Amiga V's Atari 'Battle' - as you put it
this is not the same thing
but do you really think that there needs to be an AmigaOS versus MorphOS battle? is that really productive?
is there any good reason to be on either side?
the difference this time, is that they are so damn simmilar(from a users AND developers perspective) that there is no technical reason why a program for one cant be ported to the other
they will both most likely have the same software for a large part, and users will probably(as i like to imagine it) switch from one to the other without alot of fus, swapping all the apps over and all that(ok, i know its not 100% compatable)
there is really no need for fighting
chose the one you want - and leave the other users alone IMO
:-)
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you are right, but still I cannot see the two words AmigaOS and MorphOS on the same thread without flames being spread. I would really love to have both running, but it is not going to happen, unfortunately.
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but still I cannot see the two words AmigaOS and MorphOS on the same thread without flames being spread.
thats a problem cause by only certain members...(BTW let me remind you that you did just that, now, somebody could be mistaken for thinking that you wanted to start a flame war!) but it is not going to happen, unfortunately.
what would happen if it did? is there any particular reason for 'it' not happening??
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Err yes, I understand and want to apologize with the MOS friends out there. The points is quite complex: I do some programming on multiple targets (Posix, AmigaOS 3, MacOS Classic and, as soon as the G5 is out, Mac OS X). Testing software is already a horrible task, now imagine having to deal with subtle differences, GUI aspect and behaviour, kernel timings and so on. Imagine keeping the source trees up and running on all these systems!
so when I say that I will not run both AOS and MOS is because since they share the same API, I expect them to run the same software and possibly tha same way.
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With threads like this the place is going to burn down. :-) :-D
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Amiga war???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Mosph OS hasn't anything to do with amiga ;-)
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You can get amiga look like skin to your window same thing
Just my opinion and my last reply for this
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I'll sleep on MorphOS. What can MorphOS do that Windows can't? If I want a secondary choice of computing, then I shall use my Amiga 1200 68030/50mhz. :-D
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> I'll sleep on MorphOS. What can MorphOS do that
> Windows can't?
Run Amiga software?
> If I want a secondary choice of computing, then I
> shall use my Amiga 1200 68030/50mhz.
Nothing wrong with retro I guess, but 600+ MHz Gx's sure sound tempting.
:-D
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IBase wrote:
When I Was child I saw the Amiga vs Atari battle,
Oh.. you are young.. It was much more interesting at the time of Commodore 64 and Spectrum (at least in Europe). Atari had no *** chanse against Amiga. :-P
Altough I think that this keeps the platform alive, do you REALLY think that we need to fight agains a brother os like MOS? I would have never started the project because of the community split it has produced, but since it is here ...
regards,
Claudio
Well.. What keeps platforms alive is either sheer nostalgia (like old Amigas) or new development. And even though these fights don't itself much help on development they do sometimes point out the parts that need to be enhanced for making better product.
Otoh, it's not allways best for peronal relations between people on different factions.. But it's a bit difficul to say which way causality goes. At some people at least it sees that their old hatred and mistrust to others has driven then to do what they do.
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When OS4 cames out, the war will end :-D
:flame:
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I'm sure it will :lol:
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[Edited by Targhan]
Post removed due to rude personal attack.
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When OS4 cames out, the war will end
In alla honestly, I really think so. Then there wont be these petty (sp?) comments like "OS4 isn't out yet" and yada, yada.
When OS4 is out we will have two things to actually compare and then we will all notice that if we take each others hands and join forces againt the whole dumb, stupid world outside ours we will accomplish everything.
Come on! Take hands and join me!
[color=FF3333]"We shall overco-o-me, we shall overco-o-me, [/color]
[color=FF3333]we shall overcome someda-a-ay.
Oh, oh, deep in my heart,
I do believe,
we shall overcome some day.[/color]
:-o :-D
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jaokim wrote:
When OS4 cames out, the war will end
In alla honestly, I really think so. Then there wont be these petty (sp?) comments like "OS4 isn't out yet" and yada, yada.
When OS4 is out we will have two things to actually compare and then we will all notice that if we take each others hands and join forces againt the whole dumb, stupid world outside ours we will accomplish everything.
Come on! Take hands and join me!
[color=FF3333]"We shall overco-o-me, we shall overco-o-me, [/color]
[color=FF3333]we shall overcome someda-a-ay.
Oh, oh, deep in my heart,
I do believe,
we shall overcome some day.[/color]
:-o :-D
Get your tambourine and sandals out boys! ;-)
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No matter for "reasons" for war, in the end, it's always the same:
User vs User
...
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Bill Suck is superman-alike, your petty bullets can't harm him.
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utri007 wrote:
Amiga war???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Mosph OS hasn't anything to do with amiga ;-)
Erm...... On that basis would you say AROS "hasn't anything to do with amiga" also?
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Hooligan_DCS wrote:
Bill Suck is superman-alike, your petty bullets can't harm him.
LOL
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The Amiga user base always divides itself into "shirts" and "skins."
Cybergrafix v. Picasso96 and PowerUP v. WarpUP are just a couple
examples. I think it is a side effect from a passionate user base.
These battles are not seen in the PC world because it is a
dictatorship. Amiga users are much more empowered. Just think of all
the software that were written by user-developers that we cannot live
without: MUI, AHI, Miami(DX), VisualPrefs, Birdie...the list is huge!
Amiga passion has its good and bad points. The current fighting is
one of the bad sides, but it will sort itself out.
--Aaron Diezman
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mdma suggested:
Get your tambourine and sandals out boys!
or is that tambourines and guitars! :lol:
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Hooligan_DCS wrote:
Bill Suck is superman-alike, your petty bullets can't harm him.
Bill Buck, like Superman, has a weakness.
Those are magical Amiga Kryptonian boing-bullets.
Krypton is a dead planet but Kal-El is rising. :-D
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Hi,
@Diezman
"These battles are not seen in the PC world because it is a dictatorship. "
NO WAY
there is intel, there is AMD.
there is nvidia, there is ATI Radian
there is winchester drives and scsi drives.
I didn't know how much battle was going on in the PC world till I bought MaximumPC magazine. This rag put the fun back in compootin for me in the PC world. If you see an issue at your local rag store, then get a copy and find out what the true geeks are fighting about in the PC world. They give you tips and if you pay the xtra bucks you get a cd with your rag with lots of neat junk on it. Reminds me of the good old days with the Amiga. It almost makes living with winblows possible. I will admit winblows is hard to alter but they give enough tips that you can alter it just like the Amiga's OS.
Neat stuff in this rag "MaximumPC"
Closest thing to an Amiga rag in the PC world
smerf
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> Neat stuff in this rag "MaximumPC"
it was better back when it was called "Boot" magazine.
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ikir wrote:
> When OS4 cames out, the war will end
You mean that as in, "The war will end, when hell freezes over"? :-)
(just joking.. no offence please :-))
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utri007 wrote:
Mosph OS hasn't anything to do with amiga ;-)
think what you like, but I'm a User, not a nerd. (i don't get all hot over code)
for me, an OS is ONLY useful if i can run a program on it.
At AmiWest I helped Kermit install ImageFX4.5 on one Pegasos/MorphOS system and the next day installed IFX4.5 on another Peg/MorphOS machine.
And I ran IFX, and used it and used it and it NEVER crashed.
THAT alone makes it a useful OS.
When I can do the same with OS4, I'll be just as happy!!!
I have no bad feelings about either OS because I am not insane.
I am a professional and the only thing that matters is results. everything else is bullshit.
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I don't see a war going on. The biggest problem with the community at the moment isn't that we're all bickering, it's that too many people tip over because the actions of a few individuals.
If everyone were a little more thick-skinned, these few individuals would get bored and move on to something else. (What good does it do to put on a show if no one watches?)
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there is nvidia, there is ATI Radian
there is winchester drives and scsi drives.
What :-D
Sorry to be anal here, but it's Radeon ..
Also, the Winchester (http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/catalog/catalogpage_0000001327.html) drive was from the stone age of computing, definitely not in use any more.
I guess I've been enough of an asshole today.. Carry on! :-)
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if billbuck is superman....then i am abit shocked, i belived superman was killed some years ago and the cartoons was stopped..
anyway i have said the same thing over and over again, the fights should come to an end...but
its not likely that it will ever happen...
and thats sad.....
anyway i am going the os4 route.., and if pegasos gets up and beyond the France / germany route...well then i might jump on tht ship also....but i will use both plattforms.....if so..
cheers