Which OS Would Be The Best Amiga Way Forward...

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@Franko

The main idea is that if you have a ROM burner then you can burn your own ROM with the AROS Kickstart image. Once you have that you should be able to install it into a real Amiga, and run all your old Amiga software (including your original Workbench ) plus you get access to AROS only software as well. For old systems like the A500 with only a few Kb of RAM this might be the only real option

Sadly I don't have a ROM burner since I got rid of my PIC programmer... Personally I prefer to softkick the AROS rom so that I can use the latest build at all times

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@Xdelusion

You have missed the point that AROS on the 68k can run Amiga Apps you can try of your yourself on your real Amiga now if you like.

The point is that AROS currenty runs on:

1. Real Amigas
2. The PPC machines
3. X86 Machines
4. X86-64 Machines (I know all modern x86 machines are actually this now)
5. ARM machines

To quote Sam earlier, AROS is the lowest common denominator. It has a future in terms of hardware support and also in terms of retro support.

When you buy into AROS you aren't buying into a specific hardware platform, you are buying into an "Amiga" platform that suits your personal hardware requirements.

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If I may jump in for a moment!

The Emumiga concept was discussed and rejected in favour of an integrated UAE, which is the "official" 68k compatibility route that has been taken. But let us NOT forget AROS is a research operating system, and that makes projects like Emumiga really bloody exciting!

I'm wondering if the ideal solution would be some kind of Hybrid... With both a translation layer and complete 68k parts of AROS running in the Emumiga environment. It's things like this that both excite and inspire, and that's the point

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Hmm... not sure why you think that no-one still uses all these old apps anymore, I do, every day...

I very rarely play games on the Amiga and use it on daily basis for everything I need computing wise gfx, DTP, audio etc...

So I'm not sure if what your saying is that AROS can't handle such basic things as all these old apps or are simply saying that they would be better re-written or re-compiled to run under AROS. In which case I'm back to doubting if AROS in it's 68K form would indeed be the best way forward...:confused:

Issues are getting confussed here.

AROS 68k will run your 68K apps just fine. The main thread now is that Emumiga will only ever run a subset of 68k apps within the AROS x86 environment... But that isn't really a problem as we already have a transparent UAE for running 68k Apps in AROS on other CPUs.

Emumiga is an experiment, an interesting idea that keeps people like me, who are fascinated by weird experimental concepts, interested in the platform.

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@ Bloodline

Thanks for clearing that up, that other post left me wondering (again) if AROS 68k would not be able to run a lot of stuff and then what would be the point of it, I'll take your word for it though over anyone else's...cheers...

Please don't just take my word for it! Try it out Seeing my old 68k apps (some written nearly 20 years ago) running in AROS on my A1200 is a very oddly emotional expeience

Probably because I've dreamed of a 68k version of AROS ever since I first ran it on a Pentium II back at university, 12 years ago!

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There are probably 5 or 6 old 68k apps that I would like to run in AROS x86... Given that is a very small set, I might be possible to get Emumiga to a level where they could run via that... If not then, Transparent UAE it is

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Bloodline...How is your Aros68K-A1200 experience? Looks like it is OK. In my own Aros68K-UAE poking around, it seems to me that this is the way to go as opposed to a massively patched 3.x original. Would you tend to agree? Question...Aros kickstart' files are softloaded at boot somehow?
 

:lol: AROS 68k on an A1200 is currently slow, painful and bloody good fun

There is a nightly build ADF on the AROS website, write it to a real Amiga disk... Boot your Amiga with the disk, it will softkick the AROS ROM... The fun is then throwing all your Amiga software at it and seeing what crashes and what produces weird results

I am debating on installing this in my A3000. I am assuming that all of the expansion hardware I have wouldn't be an issue and that I would still be able to run RTG video via cybergraphx4. The problem I have in the A3000 is memory. only a 2/16MB config. Maybe it is time to jump onboard the 256MB ZorRam thing. Which would mean I have issues with # of cards installed. I think dumping the X-Surf/Subway USB combo in favor of Deneb/USB/USB Network would do the trick. I need to learn more about this USB network thingy I see people using...
 
So Aros68K very interesting and certainly could solve once and for all the 68K OS availability and politics and do so with improved functionality.
 
Cheers.

Try the nightly build, have a play, you're not going to break anything and te devs welcome all feedback!

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@Franko

Very odd, I can't find the boot 68k disk on the AROS website... here is my build:

http://www.cutiemish.com/bootdisk-amiga-m68k.adf

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Cheers Wawrzon, I'll give the ADF Bloodline kindly supplied first...

PS: Wawa... hmm... sounds more like an ewok than a hobbit now that I think about it, need to have a look through me Star Wars collection and see if I can find you...

My build is quite old, so after trying mine... give the one in the latest build a go as stated by wawrzon.

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Hmmm, you'll need to disable your HD and blizzard board, as I had to do the same to get it to boot. It seems to work best with older software at the moment

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@ Bloodline

Tried all the things you suggested in the PM but still no luck...

Just realised from your post there "that I'm a diddy" spent all last night trying to get it to work on my Blizzard 060/PPC for the simple reason of the ".elf" in the filename which always make me automatically think that this is PPC software and therefore I needed to run it on my PPC board (which is pretty dumb of me cos the whole point is that this is the 68k version). doh...

Now I'll give it a try one my plain Blizzard 060 or my plain Blizzard 030 (or any of the others I have around) and see if it works on those, cos I think myself it has something to do with the BPPC board... oh well... if at first you don't succeed put in ra boot and then ra heid...
 
@ Wawrzon

I'll need to try downloading one the other versions again and see if my mac can unarchive them instead...

@Franko

I've not tried a newer build yet, but my old ADF image really didn't like my BlizzPPC board... Which I have now replaced with my Blizzard 1230 IV... That's much happier.

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@ Bloodline & Wawrzon

Ok just tried to use Bloodlines ADF on the following setups but all with the same results:- Green Flash followed by a black screen, no floppy activity at all (not even a click in the floppy)...

Blizzard060/PCC 256MB RAM
Blizzard060 60Mhz 128MB RAM
Blizzard030 MKIV 50Mhz 64MB RAM
Blizzard030 MKIII 50Mhz 32MB RAM
GVP30 MKIV 50Mhz 4MB RAM
VIPER030 28Mhz 32MB RAM
MBX 1200z 4 & 8MB RAM
A1207 4 & 8 MB RAM

Thought I'd take a pic of me boards seen as I had dug them all out...

(just realised I've lost one me 4/8MB RAM boards, can't find it anywhere, how the frig can you lose a RAM Board... )

Weird, I have the same Blizz 030 mkIV with 32Meg

How long did you let it sit for? Also as soon as the machine resets get the softkick floppy out of the drive (the faster you can do this the better)!

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Tried all sorts of things, waiting for up to 5 minutes, being as quick as possible taking the floppy out, inserting another bootable floppy as quickly as possible, tested it using two different A1200 motherboard revisions, tried it with 3.0 & 3.1 ROMS...

Strange thing is there is no sign of life on the floppy drive at all (ie: no lights or even the faintest of motor sounds or clicking noises) just the green flash then nothing... :confused:

I'll upload a newer build for you later.

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@Franko

Yeah, on a Real Amiga (tm) AROS is simply a free Kickstart replacement. That is Toni's (one of the two key AROS68k developers) aim.

If one wishes, then they can use AROS's extra features, but that is optional, and I expect most users of AROS68k will just use it as a free alternative to the old Commodore ROMs.

Feel free to download the AROS sources and build yourself a custom Kickstart to suit your own needs.

The issue we need to workout now is, why doesn't it boot your machine?

You have AGA.
You have 020.
You have 4+Meg of fast RAM.

I can't see why your machine doesn't work... Are you using an Amiga International or a Commodore A1200?