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Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« on: May 10, 2016, 06:34:58 PM »
You guys seen this? I take it that this is NOT a scan doubler? Could this be used with an Indie ECS?

 I.E., "A special internal connector allows for direct connection to internal VGA flicker fixer board for Denise."

Anyone on a1k.org that might be able to give a few more details? :)

http://webstore.kryoflux.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=56

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Offline zipper

Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2016, 07:04:56 PM »
It's a RTG Graphics card with Cirrus GD5434 chip and 2 MB of RTG memory. Just like PicassoII etc but with a faster chip.
 

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2016, 07:16:28 PM »
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You guys seen this? I take it that this is NOT a scan doubler?
Indeed, this is not a scan doubler, nor does it have a scan doubler on board. If you want to use native Amiga video out with a VGA monitor, you need an additional scan doubler.  
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Could this be used with an Indie ECS?
In addition to an Indie ECS, yes. It has a plug on its video in that can be directly connected to the Indie ECS. It does have a "special connector" in that sense - except that it's not very special.  
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Anyone on a1k.org that might be able to give a few more details?  
It's based on the Cirrus GD5434 chip, with 2MB graphics memory. It is approximately equivalent to the Piccolo SD64 card if you want to look this up. This gives you a 1280x1024x8 as a native resolution, or 1024x768x16, or 800x600x32.  As such, it is a nice replacement for my aging GVP Spectrum - it does not reach similar resolutions.
 

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2016, 07:41:31 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;808199
It is approximately equivalent to the Piccolo SD64 card if you want to look this up.

So it's seen by P96 as a Piccolo SD64?  Or it requires additional drivers?
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2016, 09:05:11 PM »
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So it's seen by P96 as a Piccolo SD64?  Or it requires additional drivers?


I think the whole point of using that chip is that a driver already exists.

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=999281&postcount=4
 

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2016, 09:54:51 PM »
Quote from: Rob;808202
I think the whole point of using that chip is that a driver already exists.

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=999281&postcount=4

Thanks.  Doesn't answer the question.  Is it supported by this?

http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/Picasso96.htm

Or do you need to download something else?  The kryoflux website doesn't mention anything about software.  I found this link:

http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=52795

But it's in German and requires membership to read it. :(


Am feeling super-grumpy today, I wish Amiga users were better at giving full details of stuff.  How hard is it to say "Yes, it works with Picasso96 using the blahblahblah driver.  Or, yes, it works with CyberGraphX"?  It's like working in IT, a user tells you they're having a problem with something, but when you try to ask for more details it's like their mouth is suddenly full of bananas, haha.   :banana: :banana:
« Last Edit: May 10, 2016, 09:57:59 PM by Oldsmobile_Mike »
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2016, 10:45:09 PM »
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;808204

http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=52795

But it's in German and requires membership to read it. :(



Use Chrome on a ssupported platform for auto-translation, that's how I read it.

Then you can read what you need in order to register for free login to the forum site.

Works great...

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2016, 10:55:07 PM »
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Thanks.  Doesn't answer the question.  Is it supported by this?

http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/Picasso96.htm

Or do you need to download something else?  The kryoflux website doesn't mention anything about software.  

Yes you need the GBAPII++.card file that is hosted as an attachment in  that german board (put it in LIBS:Picasso96/), and when you install Piccasso96 you must select the PiccoloSD64 as the graphics card. After that you need to change the PiccoloSD64 monitorĀ“s file tooltype to BOARDTYPE=GBAPII++
 

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2016, 11:02:14 PM »
"Yes, it works with Picasso96 using the blahblahblah driver."
The blah... driver is here, either of them:
http://www.amibay.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=82100&d=1421846702
http://www.a1k.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100184&d=1421847118
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2016, 11:03:33 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver;808206
Yes you need the GBAPII++.card file that is hosted as an attachment in  that german board (put it in LIBS:Picasso96/), and when you install Piccasso96 you must select the PiccoloSD64 as the graphics card. After that you need to change the PiccoloSD64 monitorĀ“s file tooltype to BOARDTYPE=GBAPII++

Excellent!  Thank you sir.  This response makes me much less grumpy today.  :lol:
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2016, 01:04:12 AM »
Thanks for the great replies!

So, I gotta ask 'cause I just don't know... probably obvious to some...
When using this board with an Indie ECS does it provide a "scan doubled" Cirrus GD5434 video output? I think Thomas already stated that would be true but I would like to make sure as I want to order one ASAP. :)

I think someone needs a beer!! :roflmao:

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2016, 01:44:27 AM »
Stupid question: would this new graphic card work with my A3000 w/A3640?

How does this card compare with the VA2000 Zorro II Video Card (FPGA based gfx card) being developed by Lukas Hartmann. There is a separate thread about this one here http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=69972&highlight=FPGA+graphic+card
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2016, 01:58:24 AM »
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Stupid question: would this new graphic card work with my A3000 w/A3640?

Presumably if it physically fits (no reason it shouldn't that I can think of, since it looks like it was designed for A2000) and you can figure out the drivers (comments above should help).  But it's Zorro II, so you won't get the advantages of your faster bus.

Plenty of folks use a PII in A3k and are happy with it.  If it were me, I'd hold out for a Zorro 3 graphics card.  ;)
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2016, 02:02:48 AM »
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When using this board with an Indie ECS does it provide a "scan doubled" Cirrus GD5434 video output? I think Thomas already stated that would be true but I would like to make sure as I want to order one ASAP. :)

I think someone needs a beer!! :roflmao:

Presumably it would work the same as any other Amiga with an Indi + a graphics card would.  Native screenmodes are doubled by the Indi (prior to the pass-through), P96 modes are handled exclusively by the graphics card.

I like the concept of this, need some time to look into it a bit further.  Currently my Indi output is in one of the slots of my A2000, fed back in through a separate cable into my Spectrum, then back out to my monitor.  If this card makes that connection internally it would be a bit cleaner.  Hooray for fewer wires on my desk, and all that.  ;)

I'll take that beer now!  :pint:
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2016, 02:07:19 AM »
Also:
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