68k library DVD for Natami MX

[vox]

Natami MX is coming to the almost production level.

Thomas Hirsch of the Natami Team has just manufactured the first Natami MX boards. This is the board revision that will be sold to the public, provided that the board bringup and hardware tests goes well.

Natami is a clone of the classic Amiga computer and its architecture. It is a 68k-based computer containing the classic Amiga chipset with enhancements and quite a few modern hardware features.

The MX board features:
-Altera FPGA from the Cyclone IV-series, containing the enhanced Amiga chipset "SuperAGA" as well as other system logic, and the brand new 68k CPU design "N68050"
-512 MB DDR2 SDRAM (onboard)
-1x PCI slot, expandable to 3x PCI with a PCI riser
-"SyncZorro" expansion slot, for adding f.e. a CPU card (68060 card will be available as an option for this slot)
-DVI-I port for 31kHz video (one can connect both analog VGA and digital DVI), scandoubling function for legacy modes
-15kHz RGB-output/input expansion slot (for optional 15kHz card)
-Realtek RTL8110 Gigabit Ethernet
-NEC USB2 controller and USB ports
-3,5 inch IDE port
-Internal Compact Flash connector (IDE)
-Kickstart flash memory
-Floppy connector (Amiga and PC drives both usable)
-Amiga serial port (although reduced to 9-pin)
-Amiga parallel port
-2x Amiga joystick/mouse port
-4x Cinch/RCA connectors for stereo sound output and input
-PS/2 keyboard/mouse ports (old bigbox Amiga keyboards are connectable)
-Classic Amiga LED:s along with scandoubler LED

Natami MX pictures:
http://www.natami.net/hardware.htm
Natami MX bringup thread:
http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=33366

Since its gonna be the strongest 68k so far, could we compile best software that could work on it, and help the team?

Same is for benefit of all emulator users, since everyone (even phones) can use UAE

Amiga OS 3.5 or OS 3.9
Boing Bags and extras
http://www.monkeyhouse.eclipse.co.uk/amiga/boingbag/
YAM 68k and many modern 68k software could run well
If possible, increase RAM to max

If you are really brave, AROS 68k
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/68k_support

Aminet, mass of things is still 68k
http://m68k.aminet.net/

If you really want to experiment, you could go ScalOS
http://scalos.noname.fr/
or download AmiKit on PC and take everything back to roots
http://amikit.amiga.sk/features.htm

DOPUS
http://www.gpsoft.com.au/amiga/Amiga...s/Amazing.html

http://www.linux-m68k.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_software

[vox]

Let's first see if the Natami bring up will be successfull before making a lot of plans.

OK, lets make best 68k library at one place, for all that can emulate 68k while wait for Natami!

What would be yout best OS and application choices if you had 060+ CPU power and 512mb RAM? What was Amigas 68k high end? Vista landscape processing, Morphing, early Lightwave, late Imagination, ImageFX, Alladin, Tornado?

[vox]

Let's first see if the Natami bring up will be successfull before making a lot of plans.

Dont forget any PC can emulate AmigaOS using Amikit and OS 3.5/OS 3.9CD
http://amikit.amiga.sk/

And your high end PC becomes high end Amiga without CUSA/Amiga Inc tax

With such DVD on sale (and all royalties paid to the authors) ex Amiga companies would have some Amiga revenue (and may be interested to make some AmigaOS comeback with 1 title) and users worldwide would get new Amiga feeling: Amiga without limits.

[vox]

OK, lets make best 68k library at one place, for all that can emulate 68k while wait for Natami!

What would be yout best OS and application choices if you had 060+ CPU power and 512mb RAM? What was Amigas 68k high end? Vista landscape processing, Morphing, early Lightwave, late Imagination, ImageFX, Alladin, Tornado?

Late Imagine, Real 3D, any more heavyweight champs?

[vox]

Also, it could be good to have all 68k improvements in kind of Better WB 2.0
http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/BetterWB.htm

[vox]

I'm pretty sure the N68050 doesn't have an MMU, so no Linux.

Could MMU be emulated? Its FPGA. Or doesn any 68k Linux that works without MMU exists?

[vox]

You don't "need" an MMU for Linux.
There are ports for embedded systems generally that don't require an MMU.

That being said, I love Linux.
I'm a Linux admin at work (which means I spend most of my day fixing Windows servers), but I plan on running AmigaOS on 68k..  

desiv

I would kindly ask you if you have any ideas how to increase support of SAM and Pegasos and AmigaOne boards in PPC LInux distros?

[vox]

It's already in process.
There are PPC Linux ports.  

There are also already projects for these:
For AmigaOne Linux:
http://amigaone-linux.sourceforge.net/
And SAM:
http://elwoodb.free.fr/articles/Sam440/
And PegaSOS:
http://powernico.free.fr/linux/linux_install.html

And I'm a Linux admin, not a kernel hacker.  There's a difference.
It means I CAN write some code, but you REALLY don't want to run it ...anywhere..  :roflmao:

But there are people more qualified than I working on it..

desiv
(I'm more a Linux in the Datacenter kind of guy..)

OK, but how about informing all existing PPC Linux ports more boards exist as potential target? Mediating interst with Acube and whatever company that board is given for development or Amiga bounty of such kind with couple systems exist?

Yellow Dog Linux, latest Debian, fedora, open office, iceweasel ...

We need PPC Linux and its apps until such software is ported to AmigaoS 4 and MOS as well as is good to have Linux. Two last real alternatives together.

[vox]

A real dream of Classic users! Congratulations mates!
Now, it will be "north of 500 euros" for board.
And please, please build best Classic library, that we 68k emulation boys (phones, consoles, PCs, MOS, AmigaOS 4, AmiKit, WinUAE, Cloanto Amiga Forever)
can use! Above you see that you have resources to build BetterWB Monster Pack :-)
And there is AROS Kickstart too

[vox]

A list of most used software to test on the beta boards would be a novel idea.

I'd suggest OctaMED S. S. of course!

DigiBooster 68k latest Beta and whatever yoiu music boys can come out. With FPGA boards Paula is there, same goes for Minimig 68000 14Mhz ECS 2MB CHIP 4MB FAST. Making a bootable 512MB or 1GB file would be great. Also there is AROS Kickstart, so freedom and updates to you and all of us that emulate 68k, Off course, Amiga Forever and Amiga Forever Deluxe deserve purchase by every user so you could have all legal kickstarts, nice interfrace and legal ADFs to start with. AresOne comes with it, best competitors to CUSA. If you need AROS and 68k emulation box, AresOne is to go! This pack should also make for it!

[vox]

If 68k softwate archive grows, everyone benefits.

A 30$ DVD could be assembled with royalties to all last versions of 68k software companies in contract with them. Why not giving last DPaint, Brilliance, Photogenics, Real3D for 2$ of DVD sale? And it would all be legal. Natami, Minimig would also benefit as avaliable 68k hadrware first time since A4000 and CD32. I am also legal OS 3.5 user, and it relates to me too, even my A1200 died.

[vox]

that wasnt less true all the time in the past. 68k is the common denominator since ever ...

now, aah, i see.. this moobunny leak?? thats why os4 guys desperately leave or flee under another banner. dont sink our boats guys.

Well, with upcoming JIT UAE OS4 boys can also benefit from it. I want perfect 68k Box under AmigaForever or OS4.

And respect Natami next level 68k power, waits to see its performance
as top 68k native hardware availiable in 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EvCUqlEFo0

[vox]

This threads ruddy confusing... :confused:

Is it about Natami

Is it about OS4.x

Is it about neither

Is it about time, we had subtitles round here to help understand what some folk are saying...

Its about 68k software. Only in one instance I have asked what are possibilities of PPC LImuxes supporting PPC boards. I might ask about 68k Linuxes supporting Classics, Natami and Minimig, but that is someway pushing too far

[vox]

fans being optimistic about natami or x1k for that matter will not make them better or sooner available. on the contrary: unrealistic expectations and delusional posts about such projects put people off rather than attract them. stay tuned but calm. thats what id say.

This is merely a software library idea. And it will be needed

Maybe its Hype, but that is first almost consumer Natami on the table after what? Six years?

[vox]

@vox: a member of the team, i think the name was schoenweiss, was already gathering software to be released with natami. there even was a web page for it but it is lost now. if you are willing to help, why not register on their forum and volunteer? for what i see everybody is welcome. just do not let you get carried away about it like about os4, its only what i say.

Intersted, but I am interested working in behalf all 68k software, especially in compiling last versions that can work emulated but yet half native (GUI, libs etc.) under MOS and OS4. Do you get it now?

Also AROS 68k software, does that exist at all?