My review of Pegasos+MorphOS

[takemehomegrandma]

Spidey wrote:
Hi takemehomegrandma,

So your total boottime is around the same as mine?
Didn't you have 256 MB RAM? (I've got 512)
This would mean the startup isn't affected by the amount of memory??

Yes, SW boot time is quick ;-)

Spidey

Hi.

I have a 512 MB registered samsung module in mine. A big RAM: disk it is! :-)

[takemehomegrandma]

Spidey wrote:
Wow!

You got UAE running?!
Please help me out with it!!!
I'm asking questions everywhere.

Please see the thread at MorphZone

Thanks in advance!!!

Spidey

Wasn't this discussed on the beta2 mailing list a while ago?

[Spidey]

Hello takemehomegrandma,

"Wasn't this discussed on the beta2 mailing list a while ago?"

Yes and also by me :-)
But the responsives weren't enough.
I saw an email adressing my question about UAE this morning, so'll look into it this evening when I0m home from work.

The problems with UAE I'm having now are:

- RX doesn't work, so I can't start UAEGui.rexx with that. I can only start it with "muirexx uaegui.rexx"
- What for is UAEWB.rexx? This one doesn't do anything except polling the dir (with SnoopDOS I see the command "changedir"
- I've extracted my 3.1 ROM but PPC UAE gets in a loop when starting. The 68k UAE does show the 3.1 kickstart screen.
- How to adress and get running a hardfile/partition.
- With UnDMS you don't need to change your DMS files into ADF files. Where to find UnDMS?
- If someone could give me an example ".uaesrc" for the PPC UAE with the available commands, I would be very happy!

Ok, I'll stop now :-D (I've got a few more actually)

About the memory, with us both having the same amount of RAM, it isn´t a surprise we have the same boottime! :-D

If I remember correctly HAK has 256 MB.
HAk, can you give the exact total boot time?
You did say something about the idle time, it was around 5 seconds?
I´ll see what my idle time is, but it isn´t 5 whole seconds though.
More of this "total boot time" this evening :-)

Spidey

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Thanks Warface !!!

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Raquel and Bill   :-)

[olegil]

Hmm, I forgot to clock it, but I would estimate my A1 boots into kdm (not kde, just to the login window in kdm. I don't have kde installed, because it takes so long to log in) in about 30 seconds. That's a linux file server setup with X. I somehow expect AOS4 to remove at least 15 of those seconds due to lack of X ;-) (X is almost as slow at starting up on the A1/Radeon 7500 as it is on the P4/Matrox G550. Almost). Logging in with afterstep takes about 3 seconds.

[Zorro]

Hi olegil,

How many seconds take the hardware testing (bios time) ?

(I think that we can add to this time about 5 seconds to boot the OS and then to be very happy amiga men ! ) :-D

[Warface]

Spidey wrote:

- If someone could give me an example ".uaesrc" for the PPC UAE with the available commands, I would be very happy!

Start UAE with the parameter "-h". It will list all available commands. (Yesterday I've managed to get UAE running :-))

[Leo42]

>I don't understand your remark.
> On that picture I see you aplied one of the skins from the FTP-site. It is ofcourse nice, but...

The problem is that ONLY window gadgets are fully skinnable and MUI has big limitations: you *cannot* use any 8/16/24bit brush as mui buttom, arrows,... and mui gadgets (up to now) MUST use the MagicWB 16 colour palette...

=> This results in a non-coherent GUI where you have:

 .new (nice) true color pictures as window gadgets
 .old (looks ugly in a 16/32bit desktop) 4bit brushes as GUI gadgets (in the best case: standard gadtools gadgets are even worst...)

=> new window gadgets + old gui gadgets=an ugly mixed GUI :-(
=> See bottom window in my screenshot...


=> in the top-window, I edited the picture so that the window theme MATCHES the GUI theme... (well, I tried, I'm not that good at 2D drawing )
=> A fully skinnable GUI could look like this...

Hope you'll see what I mean...

Regards,
Leo.

[Spidey]

Hello Leo,

I just took a closer look at your picture and I understand it now :-)

I have to make you a compliment, because the first time I thought the first window was the actual window after applying the skin. Well made! :-D

Spidey

[Spidey]

Hello Zorro and olegil,

My guess is that software startup will also be 2-3 seconds at most :-D
The main part of the startup will be determined by the hardware (unlike some other systems where the software startup takes ages and after that the harddisk "refuses" to stop spinning and loading something :-))

Spidey

[Leo42]

>I have to make you a compliment, because the first time I thought the first window was the actual window after applying the skin.

Unfortunately: this is the first image we get when applying the theme ;(

(by playing with mui prefs you could have something better but still very far from the first window ;()

Leo.

[Warface]

Never the less, your mockup was very nice. Connecting window/mui themes into one theme was already discussed on the beta2 mailing list, however I can't recall anything related to MUI abilities. Maybe you 'd better tell it directly to the developers. I'm sure they will listen to you, if it's not already implemented in the next update.

[Zorro]

Hi Spidey and olegil,

Then the speed of the hardware detection (the bios time) will be the crucial factor... olegil can you test the speed of the hw detection of the AOne bios ?

[Spidey]

Hello Zorro and olegil,

And if we want to compare it, give also the relevant hardware configuration.

I'm thinking: the type of RAM inside the Peg is of a registered one. Can anyone explain what's the difference between a registered one and unregistered.
Also, is it possible that startup with registered RAM takes more time than with unregistered RAM?

(oh, please help out with UAE :-D...somebody?? :-D check my questions :-))

Spidey

[HAK]

@Spidey,

>If I remember correctly HAK has 256 MB.

Yes, that's correct.


>HAK, can you give the exact total boot time?

Just did some tests.
First, I cutted the delay-time during boot to 3 seconds (instead of the 5 I had there before).
Times given are *included* those 3 seconds.

Equipment:

Pegasos with 256 MByte RAM.
Voodoo3 (PCI)
Hauppage TV Videocard
Realtek 8029 based Ethernetcard
Harddisk and CD-Rom on 1st IDE-connector
Harddisk and CD-Writer on 2nd IDE-connector

Time for booting: 30 seconds.


I did a second test where I exchanged the Voodoo3 with a Radeon7000 (AGP).

Time for booting: 27 seconds.

Obviously the booting time depends on your equipment.

BTW, there was no difference between switching on the Pegasos or doing a reset.


HTH


Bye HAK

[ple3003]

I'm thinking: the type of RAM inside the Peg is of a registered one. Can anyone explain what's the difference between a registered one and unregistered.
Also, is it possible that startup with registered RAM takes more time than with unregistered RAM?

@spidey

Normally all RAM with parity needs to be checked before booting process continues. That is usually 10-30 seconds. All RAM wich has ECC uses parity bits to find glitches in memory flow. If i'm not mistaken, Reg. memory sticks often use ECC as well...