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Title: Aros on laptops
Post by: Dazxy2001 on December 21, 2011, 11:22:49 PM
Im aware of AspireOS, but I was curious to know if anyone has had success using Aros on something a little bigger ?
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: EDanaII on December 21, 2011, 11:28:41 PM
I run it on my Lenovo SL510 without too many issues...
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: EDanaII on December 21, 2011, 11:31:56 PM
Oh, and have a look here (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_Complete_System_HCL).
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: Dazxy2001 on December 21, 2011, 11:37:04 PM
awesome, many thanx for the list, wishing to move away from windows but I have no desire to go down the *nix route and Aros is getting to the stage where I can think about migrating over. Hoping to pick up an Aspire tomorrow but might be a little hard on the eyes :)
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: EDanaII on December 21, 2011, 11:50:41 PM
Glad to help... :)
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: spihunter on December 22, 2011, 12:07:28 AM
Cool, I didn't realize that the Dell D410 I have sitting here is almost fully supported!. Might have to give it a go.....


Quote from: EDanaII;672301
Oh, and have a look here (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_Complete_System_HCL).
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: Dazxy2001 on December 22, 2011, 01:25:23 PM
Typing this on my Aros powered Aspire... well happy :D
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: bloodline on December 22, 2011, 01:32:24 PM
Quote from: Dazxy2001;672374
Typing this on my Aros powered Aspire... well happy :D
Welcome to the future ;)
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: Dazxy2001 on December 23, 2011, 09:03:01 PM
Quote from: bloodline;672376
Welcome to the future ;)


Thanks :)
I tried Icaros but found that alot of the apps wouldnt fit correctly on screen for some reason, usually the windows were too tall for the screen and couldnt figure how to fix it, so have gone back to AspireOS instead
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: HenryCase on December 24, 2011, 09:07:44 AM
Quote from: Dazxy2001;672374
Typing this on my Aros powered Aspire... well happy :D


Congratulations! Glad you're happy with your new machine. :-)

Should point out AspireOS 1.5 is due to be released any time now (maybe even today), and brings some nice new features (system-wide icon snapshotting, Intel 3D graphics acceleration, etc...). See announcement here:
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=62336#forumpost62336
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: Dazxy2001 on December 24, 2011, 11:24:35 PM
Quote from: HenryCase;672713
Congratulations! Glad you're happy with your new machine. :-)

Should point out AspireOS 1.5 is due to be released any time now (maybe even today), and brings some nice new features (system-wide icon snapshotting, Intel 3D graphics acceleration, etc...). See announcement here:
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=62336#forumpost62336


Yup, I downloaded and installed it yesterday and had a nosey around aros-archives... Sonic the Hedgehog looks great running on the dgen port :D
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: TheMagicM on December 27, 2011, 03:00:31 PM
downloading Icaros right now.   Going to see if I can get the full install booting off my USB memory stick.  From screenshots it looks very elegant.   Is UAE included?  Does Icaros/AROS have a website with a files section so we can download other things?   I would have registered on the AROS exec forum, but yahoo.com email addys not allowed..  oh well.
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: HenryCase on December 27, 2011, 05:40:18 PM
Quote from: Dazxy2001;672789
Yup, I downloaded and installed it yesterday and had a nosey around aros-archives... Sonic the Hedgehog looks great running on the dgen port :D

Cool. :-)

Quote from: TheMagicM;673082
downloading Icaros right now.   Going to see if I can get the full install booting off my USB memory stick.  From screenshots it looks very elegant.   Is UAE included?  Does Icaros/AROS have a website with a files section so we can download other things?   I would have registered on the AROS exec forum, but yahoo.com email addys not allowed..  oh well.


Yes, UAE is included, and if I remember correctly the AROS Kickstart ROM is as well, meaning it's ready to use straight away. Additional programs for AROS can be found on AROS Archives ( http://archives.aros-exec.org/ ) and Aminet ( http://aros.aminet.net/ ), but probably the best way to keep track of new software releases is to read AROS-Exec forum posts. I could see if there's a chance of removing the block on your particular email address, if you like. PM it to me, and I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: TheMagicM on December 27, 2011, 05:58:14 PM
@HenryCase

That is probably the best looking UI in all the "Amiga" like OS's (Amiga OS classic vs AmigaOS 4 vs MorphOS) ..  I ran it thru VirtualBox and it ran fine..I'm going to see if I can get it to load in a USB drive.
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: HenryCase on December 27, 2011, 07:43:53 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;673116
@HenryCase

That is probably the best looking UI in all the "Amiga" like OS's (Amiga OS classic vs AmigaOS 4 vs MorphOS) ..  I ran it thru VirtualBox and it ran fine..I'm going to see if I can get it to load in a USB drive.


Of course best looking is a subjective decision, but I'm glad to hear you like the UI.

If you're looking to install AROS to a USB stick, I'd recommend taking a look at the Icaros manual, section 3.1:
http://www.icarosdesktop.com/icarosfiles/IcarosDesktop_manual.pdf

The Icaros manual has quite a bit of useful information, definitely worth looking through to get to know how to install and configure AROS.
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: Borut on December 27, 2011, 07:54:41 PM
Somebody tried that on an IBM T42?
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: HenryCase on December 27, 2011, 10:42:36 PM
Quote from: Borut;673135
Somebody tried that on an IBM T42?

Yes. See here:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_Complete_System_HCL#IBM.2FLenovo

As you can see, support for the T42 isn't perfect, but it's not bad. Probably the main thing to do if you wanted to use AROS on the T42 right now would be get a supported wireless device (an internal card or a USB wireless dongle). You can read more about USB wireless dongle support here:
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?start=0&topic_id=6299&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: TheMagicM on December 27, 2011, 11:31:31 PM
Quote from: Borut;673135
Somebody tried that on an IBM T42?



Funny....I have one and am planning on trying it.
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: kickstart on December 28, 2011, 12:59:39 AM
Maybe im so stupid but cant install aron on a usb stick, theres some incompatible usb sticks but i dont know.
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: Dazxy2001 on December 28, 2011, 01:25:23 PM
I switched from AspireOS to Icaros 1.3.3 with the latest update and have set up Amibridge, I have to say I love the integration and even the matching mouse pointers makes it seem even more transparent to the user, the only thing missing now is Flash to make a complete user experience.
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: gaula92 on December 28, 2011, 01:49:34 PM
what about Macbooks? Has anybody tried?
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: bloodline on December 28, 2011, 02:06:32 PM
I run AROS natively on several MacBooks :)
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: gaula92 on December 28, 2011, 02:11:46 PM
@Bloodline: very interesting. OSX stinks. Does it boot from GRUB2 in EFI mode yet? Or do you have to rely on legacy BIOS emulation layer?

Does the touchpad work smoothly or does it have the same skippy tact found in current Linux drivers?

Does HDA-Audio sound and 3D graphics work for Intel (X3100, 2008 models) work well?

thanks
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: Borut on December 28, 2011, 02:17:19 PM
Quote from: HenryCase;673172
Yes. See here:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_Complete_System_HCL#IBM.2FLenovo

As you can see, support for the T42 isn't perfect, but it's not bad. Probably the main thing to do if you wanted to use AROS on the T42 right now would be get a supported wireless device (an internal card or a USB wireless dongle). You can read more about USB wireless dongle support here:
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?start=0&topic_id=6299&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0


THX i have read that but wanted some info from one who actually tried it. How is the speed and how about surfing the web and watching flash, divx and the like movies?
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: HenryCase on December 28, 2011, 02:29:12 PM
Quote from: kickstart;673184
Maybe im so stupid but cant install aron on a usb stick, theres some incompatible usb sticks but i dont know.


If you wish to install AROS to a USB flash drive, I'd advise using a virtual machine like VirtualBox or VMware to set this up. First, you need to format the USB drive with FAT32 and make sure the 'bootable' flag is set. If you're using Windows, using this tool will make all this straightforward (please note this software will work with all USB flash drives):
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/HP-USB-Disk-Storage-Format-Tool.shtml

Next, get a virtual machine solution. If you're unsure which one to go for, start with VirtualBox. https://www.virtualbox.org/

You will need to play around with mounting the external USB drive as a drive that VirtualBox can use. Here are a couple of guides that tell you what you need to know (Disclaimer: I wrote the first guide):
http://forums.trinityhome.org/viewtopic.php?t=1586
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6216

In VirtualBox, mount the AROS ISO image. You should then be able to start AROS inside the virtual machine. You can then use the AROS installer to install to the USB drive.

Hope this helps. Please let me/us know if you get stuck.

Quote from: Dazxy2001;673241
I switched from AspireOS to Icaros 1.3.3 with the latest update and have set up Amibridge, I have to say I love the integration and even the matching mouse pointers makes it seem even more transparent to the user, the only thing missing now is Flash to make a complete user experience.


Flash would be nice, but there's plenty of other work to do before this is likely to happen.

However, one thing to bear in mind is that the first Zune Fix bounty is likely to be taken soon (a well respected AROS developer has shown an interest). Fixing Zune will make Odyssey Web Browser (a.k.a. MOS-OWB) easier to port, and Odyssey has workarounds for lack of Flash (e.g. it can play videos from YouTube).

Quote from: gaula92;673247
what about Macbooks? Has anybody tried?


People have got AROS running on x86 Macs. Your best bet is to burn an AROS live CD, and try it out first, before deciding if you want to install it. You've got a few different options when it comes to AROS distros, probably worth trying out Icaros first:
http://www.icarosdesktop.org/
If you have trouble installing it, best to ask on the AROS-Exec forums for help.
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: HenryCase on December 28, 2011, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: Borut;673255
THX i have read that but wanted some info from one who actually tried it. How is the speed and how about surfing the web and watching flash, divx and the like movies?


Watching movies is going to be fine, as long as you avoid CPU-intensive HD content, as MPlayer supports virtually any format you throw at it.

Flash isn't supported (not yet, at least). Surfing the web is fine.

As for speed, try out a live CD. I imagine you'll be happy enough with the speed. Now consider, it'll be even faster installed on a hard drive! That should tell you all you need to know. ;-)
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: TheMagicM on December 28, 2011, 02:53:05 PM
Fixing to install this on a T42..
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: TheMagicM on December 28, 2011, 03:06:26 PM
WOW... doing a USB CDROM install of Icaros.. MAN!!! This looks FREAKIN SHARP!!! How responsive!   I'm excited!!!
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: HenryCase on December 28, 2011, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;673266
WOW... doing a USB CDROM install of Icaros.. MAN!!! This looks FREAKIN SHARP!!! How responsive!   I'm excited!!!


Glad to hear you're liking what you see TheMagicM. :-)

Would like to advise you purchase a supported wireless dongle, if you want an even better experience. These are known to work and cost less than $15 USD:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/?_kw=usb%20rtl8187b&_clu=2&_fcid=154&_localstpos=&_stpos=&gbr=1
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: Terminills on December 28, 2011, 03:46:15 PM
Quote from: HenryCase;673270
Glad to hear you're liking what you see TheMagicM. :-)

Would like to advise you purchase a supported wireless dongle, if you want an even better experience. These are known to work and cost less than $15 USD:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/?_kw=usb%20rtl8187b&_clu=2&_fcid=154&_localstpos=&_stpos=&gbr=1


Before he buys a new wireless card he might want to test the atheros driver since the T42 came with 6 different wireless cards.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IBM_ThinkPad_T42
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: EDanaII on December 28, 2011, 03:48:39 PM
My previous laptop was a T42. I don't recall any serious issues running AROS on it.
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: TheMagicM on December 28, 2011, 03:57:44 PM
Quote from: Terminills;673272
Before he buys a new wireless card he might want to test the atheros driver since the T42 came with 6 different wireless cards.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IBM_ThinkPad_T42


I'll try it out and reply back.


One error I did find in the install was when I selected for it to create a "Work" volume/partition.  It didnt and asked me to insert Work volume.  I figured it would partition/create it automatically if it didnt exist.   Reinstalling now without a "Work" volume.
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: Terminills on December 28, 2011, 04:07:24 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;673275
I'll try it out and reply back.


One error I did find in the install was when I selected for it to create a "Work" volume/partition.  It didnt and asked me to insert Work volume.  I figured it would partition/create it automatically if it didnt exist.   Reinstalling now without a "Work" volume.



It may have something to do with this if you downloaded it before it was patched.

http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&type=&topic_id=6541&forum=24
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: TheMagicM on December 28, 2011, 04:12:12 PM
You mentioned something about trying wireless drivers.. how would I go about doing that?
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: bloodline on December 28, 2011, 04:17:18 PM
Quote from: gaula92;673254
@Bloodline: very interesting. OSX stinks. Does it boot from GRUB2 in EFI mode yet? Or do you have to rely on legacy BIOS emulation layer?

Does the touchpad work smoothly or does it have the same skippy tact found in current Linux drivers?

Does HDA-Audio sound and 3D graphics work for Intel (X3100, 2008 models) work well?

thanks
GRUB boots via the BIOS emulation, and none of the Mac hardware is well supported, but the generic drivers work fine.
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: Terminills on December 28, 2011, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;673277
You mentioned something about trying wireless drivers.. how would I go about doing that?

Look in Prefs: Network change the device to the atheros driver then goto the wireless tab and change accordingly.  I would be more detailed but I don't have my box in front of me. :D
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: TheMagicM on December 28, 2011, 10:36:36 PM
Quote from: Terminills;673295
Look in Prefs: Network change the device to the atheros driver then goto the wireless tab and change accordingly.  I would be more detailed but I don't have my box in front of me. :D


It works!!!  Now I have a reason to use this laptop!  Very cool stuff!!!
Title: Re: Aros on laptops
Post by: kickstart on December 29, 2011, 12:42:18 AM
Quote from: HenryCase;673258
If you wish to install AROS to a USB flash drive, I'd advise using a virtual machine like VirtualBox or VMware to set this up. First, you need to format the USB drive with FAT32 and make sure the 'bootable' flag is set. If you're using Windows, using this tool will make all this straightforward (please note this software will work with all USB flash drives):
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/HP-USB-Disk-Storage-Format-Tool.shtml

Next, get a virtual machine solution. If you're unsure which one to go for, start with VirtualBox. https://www.virtualbox.org/

You will need to play around with mounting the external USB drive as a drive that VirtualBox can use. Here are a couple of guides that tell you what you need to know (Disclaimer: I wrote the first guide):
http://forums.trinityhome.org/viewtopic.php?t=1586
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6216

In VirtualBox, mount the AROS ISO image. You should then be able to start AROS inside the virtual machine. You can then use the AROS installer to install to the USB drive.

Hope this helps. Please let me/us know if you get stuck.



Flash would be nice, but there's plenty of other work to do before this is likely to happen.

However, one thing to bear in mind is that the first Zune Fix bounty is likely to be taken soon (a well respected AROS developer has shown an interest). Fixing Zune will make Odyssey Web Browser (a.k.a. MOS-OWB) easier to port, and Odyssey has workarounds for lack of Flash (e.g. it can play videos from YouTube).



People have got AROS running on x86 Macs. Your best bet is to burn an AROS live CD, and try it out first, before deciding if you want to install it. You've got a few different options when it comes to AROS distros, probably worth trying out Icaros first:
http://www.icarosdesktop.org/
If you have trouble installing it, best to ask on the AROS-Exec forums for help.


Thanks for the tips, seems a  bit complicated install aros on a usb-stick just for test... maybe its best for me a dual boot with windows xp.