X2000 or sue ... your comments

[utri007]

Vox, that Powermac G5 with MorphOS 3.2 is still for sale, asking 150 Euros.

http://www.njuskalo.hr/macintosh/powermac-g5-2.0ghz-dualcore-oglas-8614473

Amiga.org has quite few Amiga OS4 users, because historical reasons.

[Iggy]

Vox, that Powermac G5 with MorphOS 3.2 is still for sale, asking 150 Euros.

http://www.njuskalo.hr/macintosh/powermac-g5-2.0ghz-dualcore-oglas-8614473

Nice price.
With or without an OS key?

Funny, this whole discussion of the merits of one option vs the other parallels a long discussion I had with David Morris.
And while I now own a G5, I would still consider an X2000 or a SAM460 (at least if MorphOS were an option).

[WolfToTheMoon]

Nice price.
With or without an OS key?

I would have to call to confirm either way, but probably without the key... still, pretty good price compared to what he paid for X1000 and got in return.

[Megamig]

This is turning into another X1000 bashing...

To a degree people do have the right to be annoyed. The X1000 is not marketed as the beta X1000 computer.

As for driver support, it is a insult to all X1000 customers that there is talk of the X2000 when the X1000 is still a work in progress.

[nicholas]

Nice price.
With or without an OS key?

Funny, this whole discussion of the merits of one option vs the other parallels a long discussion I had with David Morris.
And while I now own a G5, I would still consider an X2000 or a SAM460 (at least if MorphOS were an option).

I can't remember, but does the CPU variety in the X2000 series of boards have Altivec?

If so and it was possible to buy one without the Hyperion tax and
MorphOS was ported to it then I'd consider one myself if the price was right.

ARIX support would seal the deal.

[WolfToTheMoon]

I can't remember, but does the CPU variety in the X2000 series of boards have Altivec?

If so and it was possible to buy one without the Hyperion tax and
MorphOS was ported to it then I'd consider one myself if the price was right.

ARIX support would seal the deal.

There is no Altivec in either P3041 or P5020/5040 chips...

[Iggy]

This is turning into another X1000 bashing...

To a degree people do have the right to be annoyed. The X1000 is not marketed as the beta X1000 computer.

As for driver support, it is a insult to all X1000 customers that there is talk of the X2000 when the X1000 is still a work in progress.

That last comment seems rather bizarre.
Frankly, rather than an insult, I'd consider it a sign of success.
And at least I could never be considered one to bash this platform.
Certainly the rate at which Hyperion develops drivers is pathetic, but that is not A-eon's fault.
Trevor has even give cash to Hyperion's contracted developers for 3Ddriver development (which still has not produced results).

Rather than consider bashing A-eon and its well designed product, I would just like to take the moment to point out how much more successful this might be with the right OS.

And that OS does not carry the Amiga name.

That legacy does seem cursed, as all legitimate development after Amiga has received less support than would seem appropriate.

[WolfToTheMoon]

What I find somewhat bizarre and funny is that VOX is so unhappy with the alpha/beta status of X1000 software, that he wants to sue... yet, he doesn't seem to mind going thru all that beta-testing chaos again with Cyrus

[nicholas]

There is no Altivec in either P3041 or P5020/5040 chips...

Thanks, that means it's off my Xmas list then.

No Altivec in this day and age is ridiculous.

[yssing]

@Nicholas AFAIK there is not that many programs that support the altivec.

[Iggy]

Thanks, that means it's off my Xmas list then.

No Altivec in this day and age is ridiculous.

Freescale has announced that an improved set of AltiVec instructions will be reintroduced to later revisions of the e5500 core (as well as other Qorlq products).
That being said, Trevor has decided to move forward before these products are introduced.
While I disagree that they are not commonly used (MorphOS will use them when present), their abscence is not a game changer for me.
The processors in question still have a good floating point unit.
And later revisions of these processors should be compatible with Trevor's new designs.
You have to remember that the processors used in Acube's boards don't support AltiVec either and can still run operating systems like MorphOS (which still have specific requirements for the math processing unit).
Frankly, I would have prefered an e6500 cored processor, but the rev. 2 silicon for that will not be available until this fall and will then top out at 1.8 GHz (as opposed to the 2.2 GHz Trevor is aimming for).

[nicholas]

@Nicholas AFAIK there is not that many programs that support the altivec.

On MorphOS Altivec is  
automatically used if present, programs don't have to explicitly use it.

AFAIK anyway.

[nicholas]

@Jim,

If the newer CPUs are at some point used in the future that would make the X2000 more desirable.

[WolfToTheMoon]

@Jim,

If the newer CPUs are at some point used in the future that would make the X2000 more desirable.

Yeah, IF they weren't soldering CPUs on the board... so you can't replace them easily.

[yssing]

@Nicolas, is MorphOS going to be available on the x1000 and x2000?

If not, then does it matter that mos can use the altivec.

[spirantho]

Programs need to be compiled for Altivec whatever the OS. It's different code to non-Altivec. The only exception is where Altivec is used in shared libraries, but that's rare.