68k library DVD for Natami MX

[vox]

fans being optimistic about natami or x1k for that matter will not make them better or sooner available. on the contrary: unrealistic expectations and delusional posts about such projects put people off rather than attract them. stay tuned but calm. thats what id say.

This is merely a software library idea. And it will be needed

Maybe its Hype, but that is first almost consumer Natami on the table after what? Six years?

[vox]

@vox: a member of the team, i think the name was schoenweiss, was already gathering software to be released with natami. there even was a web page for it but it is lost now. if you are willing to help, why not register on their forum and volunteer? for what i see everybody is welcome. just do not let you get carried away about it like about os4, its only what i say.

Intersted, but I am interested working in behalf all 68k software, especially in compiling last versions that can work emulated but yet half native (GUI, libs etc.) under MOS and OS4. Do you get it now?

Also AROS 68k software, does that exist at all?

[vox]

I must admit Im still a bit sceptical about Natami. I think there's a reasonable chance of it arriving at some pont, but apart from the ability to perhaps be an alternative to classic amigas and minimig I just cant see it doing much. Where's the new software coming from for one thing ? Apart from maybe a release title or 2 I cant see people being in a big rush to create new software for it. There's already significantly more powerful amiga like options out there than natami, and has been for many years, but even they dont have any new software (apart from open source ports). Not to mention that Natami wont even run some 68k software as well as exisiting 68k machines. (will quake 1 or 2 run well on them for example ('060 + voodoo3 runs Q2 acceptably, something Im very dubious of natami). I personally have emailed the Natami team a few times, being interested in developing for it but have received absoultely no responses. The whole thing reeks of an excercise in engineering with a bunch of hanger-ons wanting to big note themselves by calling themselves part of the "team" (and there's actually a few people involved I *know* are exactly like that, but I wont name names).

Even anyone have right to be sceptical about Natami, 68k emulation such as UAE,AmiKit and OS4 and MOS users would benefit for updated 68k DVD oriented at applications, OS libraries and updates, not ADF game libraries.

We dont need to call it Natami DVD even,
how about "Amiga can do it"

[vox]

SDL software wont be an option for 68k software. Even an '060 struggles with all but the most simple (ie. space invaders/pacman style) SDL software. As for the new screenmodes, the modes it provides (and higher) have been available to the amiga for many years.

Idea of this DVD is NOT to explore what 68k can do with new CPU and custom chipset, but to find apps that are most likely to work everywhere, in their latest editions. I believe 1-2$ should go to copyright and software owner, and such contract could be make only if someone would be interested to "organize & centralize" (and earn the benefit for selling such DVD to everyone).

With Amiga Classsic filesizes double layer DVD 8.5GB could contain everything
most important and best. Including best ECS and AGA demos not in AVI.
Some tribute and few dolars yes to Amiga scene, to buy new hardware.

[vox]

I'd say probably 1/3rd or more of current 68k amiga users have an rtg board of some description. Once upon a time it would have been more, but I think a lot of the "power users" moved on to MOS/OS4/aros. In addition to this I guess the vast majority of UAE users (the biggest part of the amiga user base these days) all have access to rtg modes). As for SDL software, I wasnt advocating it, in fact I was saying it wasnt a good idea on the back of someone else saying that some Natami people had been working on SDL ports. I think you also over estimate just how much stuff is written in 68k asm, its more or less a dead language, even to those that are still developing for the amiga.
The thing is though, why make a machine with enhanced hardware when all its going to do is drive up price and run exisiting software? Something like minimig + fpgarcade seems much more attractive if the idea was simply to offer alternate hardware to actual classics. They offer the same sort of benefits, with a much lower price and without being surrounded by so many clowns.
Another thing to consider is that the compatibility isnt even known yet. It's potentially an awful lot of money to take a gamble on.

On such DVD we need separated AGA and RTG software. Who wants Natami will get it, because its their Amiga 6000 and let them enjoy it, just like SAM 460 is PCI-E, DDR2 and 1GHz+  SOC CPU for OS4

[vox]

Ooopps.
My bad..

desiv

Anything but the SDL?

How much RTG software is out there now?

[vox]

Don't tell Novacoder that.  Just let him continue on with his ScummVM ports.

:-)

desiv

AmiKit on 68k :-)

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Famiga-manuals.xiik.net%2Fother%2FHow%2520to%2520install%2520AmiKit%2520on%2520real%2520Amiga%2520-%2520Manual-ENG.pdf&ei=o4RuTeTxN9XG4Abvx8zoDA&usg=AFQjCNFhH7RaH-mf481E5hgM-6iGr6k1JA

[vox]

Anyway, I'll leave the Natami threads alone from now on I guess. It's no secret by now that I think its just as farcical as anything else relating to new Amiga hardware (capital "A"), there's no need for me to keep harping on it. There is a couple of talented people involved and all credit to them for thier efforts, but Im dubious at best and find it mostly a clown show besides a couple of people involved.

The point of threat not only to keep an eye on Natami now more then ever,
but that ALL OF US NEED one centralized "68k best off", in OS area, games area, RTG games and apps etc.

[vox]

I dont know that the actual website of a project is the best indication of the level of entusiasm
Even the sites by A.Inc and C-Usa would suggest enthusiasm by the community  

Khm, can we stay on topic and talk about best 68k software for AmigaS?