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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: amigadave on August 20, 2009, 04:47:15 PM
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Thread title says most of it. If you are interested in becoming part of a group interested in purchasing A.org, please voice your intentions here.
If you just want to do some more trolling, or have nothing positive to contribute, please move along.
We shall see if this goes anywhere.
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amigadave: you beaten up for seconds. I was about to start a similar thread.
At this very moment, i can only show my full support for the cause, trying to be as helpful as possible in everything else, and can supply 100 american dollars.
That is for the time being. I know its not whats expected but im in a critical financial situation here (8 months without job) and in a trial against my former employer who fired me without a reason. IF i win the case, (it can take months or even years, lets hope not!), i would be able to support more money...
But for now, count me in with 100 dollares
Kind Regards
Sebastian
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I think it's pretty fair to assume many or most of us would be willing to "chip" in toward
the sale of this. The community purchasing the community sort of thing. Count me in for
sure.
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Pledges so far in this thread (purely for reference):
(NB - converted into dollars at the conservative rate of 1EUR=$1.3, £1=$1.5)
100 - Gavilan - Post #2
150 - Boot_WB - Post #4
100 - Akiko - Post #7
500 - Zebedee - Post #22
1000 - Aegis - Post #27
100 - Tahoe - Post #31
ROFL - Karlos & Bloodline - Various
75 - Hattig - Post #50
200 - Skilgannon - Post #58
100 - RobertB - Post #61
500 - Amigadave - Post #69
100 - Plaz - Post #72
100 - Marcb - Post #86
50 - Diskdoctor - Post #92
250 - Silvrdrgn - Post #94
1000 - Tumbleweed - Post #102
100 - Arnljot - Post #105
Running total = $4425
(last post checked = #127)
Disclaimer: assumes that all the pledges are serious, and that we can all agree on some common sense solution for running the site, for example Wayne's suggestion in post #24 of this thread.
NB - If I've missed any pledges, please let me know by PM. I'm not reading every damn post every time, just skimming through. Similarly if you change your pledge by editing an existing post.
I'll gladly invest £100 (around 150-160USD at today's prices) towards a consortium, including limited liability towards any costs A.org may incur (running costs, liability, etc). I have the actual money here in my bank account waiting, not just good intentions.
@Amigadave - If lots of people pledge, perhaps it would be worth putting a running total at the top of the thread?
Alternatively, perhaps we could set up a bounty and link to it? Having never done that myself, I wouldn't know where to start myself.. (except Google obviously)
Additionally, practical issues like liability should be sorted out - in the UK we could set it up as a non-profit community group (secretary, treasurer, chair: essentially a charity, but without charitable status), but the international issues...? I don't know the first thing about US non-profit organisations.
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count me in !
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Count me in as well!
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I pledge $100.
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How about setting up one of those "pledge" sites, like people do with charities? People can put their donation in the pot, and if Wayne accepts the total amount offered, the site is sold.
The only thing to work out then would be who actually owns it...
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I already gave Wayne my offer, next move is his to make. Considering the current global economic crisis and the long drawn out Amiga crisis (not Wayne's fault) it was a very fair one.
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@moto: of COURSE its has mojo!!! What i meant was that i dont want that mojo to get lost!!!!!!
After all, thats why we are all here in this thread!!!
:)
Sebastian
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How about setting up one of those "pledge" sites, like people do with charities? People can put their donation in the pot, and if Wayne accepts the total amount offered, the site is sold.
The only thing to work out then would be who actually owns it...
I agree. Perhaps something (equivalent to, but without the legal implications of) $10 shares - giving voting rights for major decisions to be made about the site.
Moderators are already in place: appoint a chair, treasurer & secretary and you're ready to go. Yearly elections/AGM equivalents to discuss any points (IRC/ private forum based depending on location).
I don't like rule by committee, but it's a possible way forward whereby the community can take ownership and have organised involvement in the running of the site.
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The only thing to work out then would be who actually owns it...
That's my only real reservation about the idea, tbh. It's bound to cause some friction. You'd want to draw up a formal idea for the site management first that people agree to before handing over any money. I don't think a site like this should be run by an ad-hoc collective of people that have paid for it.
Being a financial stakeholder in the site shouldn't mean you have undue influence in how it is run, IMO.
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I already gave Wayne my offer, next move is his to make. Considering the current global economic crisis and the long draw out Amiga crisis (not Wayne's fault) it was a very fair one.
Would you be interested in being part of a group purchase and allow group input on decisions regarding the running of the site, or are you only interested in buying it as a sole proprietor?
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Would you be interested in being part of a group purchase and allow group input on decisions regarding the running of the site, or are you only interested in buying it as a sole proprietor?
One of our investors is putting up the money for this since he is a long time Amiga fan. Since that is the case we are kind of stuck with the amount he is willing to invest. Sole proprietor is our interest but if we got the site it would run the way it runs now unless the amiga.org community wanted more features added.
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That's my only real reservation about the idea, tbh. It's bound to cause some friction. You'd want to draw up a formal idea for the site management first that people agree to before handing over any money. I don't think a site like this should be run by an ad-hoc collective of people that have paid for it.
Being a financial stakeholder in the site shouldn't mean you have undue influence in how it is run, IMO.
^^^ This.
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That's my only real reservation about the idea, tbh. It's bound to cause some friction. You'd want to draw up a formal idea for the site management first that people agree to before handing over any money. I don't think a site like this should be run by an ad-hoc collective of people that have paid for it.
Being a financial stakeholder in the site shouldn't mean you have undue influence in how it is run, IMO.
I understand your concerns and the spirit of your post, but the decisions must be made by some person or group, unless every little decision is to be put to a vote on the site, which I think is impractical. From that point of view, the paying stakeholders should expect to have some say in how things are run, or appoint a manager, or group to make most of the decisions. Larger decisions could still be put to a member vote.
The reason I started this thread was to start these kinds of useful discussions and hopefully find a solution to keep this site running smoothly and as respectfully to honor its past as possible. I am glad to see the participation so far and the interest.
I have no desire to "Take Over" the site, but would be interested in becoming more involved and helping it to continue to improve over time.
So, let us all make it happen.
Edit: I agree that all the discussion and by-laws, or rules should be spelled out and finalized before any money changes hands.
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I agree. Perhaps something (equivalent to, but without the legal implications of) $10 shares - giving voting rights for major decisions to be made about the site.
I suspect this would be a legal minefield. What if one of the "owners" went off and sold the site without the permission of the rest of the "board"? Would they all sue him/her for the value of their stake?
I don't think that would work very well TBH. The more I think about it, the more I feel that the only reasonable solution is a buy-out from an individual :(
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I am leaning toward putting my support toward creation of a U.S. based Non-Profit organization which would purchase and run the site pretty much as it has been run in the past.
That would be my 1st preference, but I am open to any solution which will keep this site and this community active and growing if possible.
Edit: The only reason I suggest in being a "U.S." based non-profit organization is that I am in the U.S. and the current owner (Wayne) is in the U.S., but I realize that there are more members of this site that reside outside the U.S. than inside the U.S. This would not prevent members from outside the U. S. from being part of, or even the manager of the U.S. non-profit organization, as far as I know so far.
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If we did take over the site one of the first things I would make sure happened is Karlos being compensated for his hard work migrating all the old info to vBulletin.
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If we did take over the site one of the first things I would make sure happened is Karlos being compensated for his hard work migrating all the old info to vBulletin.
Just be aware that his prefered method of payment is curry. ;)
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I am leaning toward putting my support toward creation of a U.S. based Non-Profit organization which would purchase and run the site pretty much as it has been run in the past.
How would that work exactly?
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I've said it before and I'll repeat it here ...
I'll stick a $500 pledge into the pot if one gets organised.
I'd rather be a part of A.org both now and in the future than look at it through places like www.archive.org (http://www.amiga.org/forums/www.archive.org)
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How would that work exactly?
Well, I need to do more research, but I had started to research the creation of another non-profit organization months ago and I have some resources on the subject that could be helpful.
This thread is intended to discuss the topic of EXACTLY how all of it would work, before any decisions or offers are made to Wayne, but if we want to do this, time is of the essence because there are other offers on Wayne's table already.
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I'm staying out of this thread, save to say that the way normal corporations work is;
Investors buy a certain percentage of the total amount of available shares (in this case, 10,000). The highest x number of share owners sit on the "Board of Directors".
That Board then elects, or hires a person to run the company and gives that person complete control of what is, or isn't done in the day-to-day operations. The only control the board would have over the day-to-day director (aka webmaster in this case) would be the ability to collectively vote to replace said webmaster at certain intervals if he pisses off too many people.
Investors can sell their shares, but cannot sell more shares than they own (obviously). The Board, should it decide to raise capital, could create new shares, but would need to accept that more shares = less % ownership for them (unless they bought the shares that is).
I have an idea of who amongst us would make (IMHO) the best day-to-day webmaster, but I'm *not* involved in this, unless someone specifically (and privately) asks my opinion.
As for the site, there are currently three modes of income which pay for the monthly costs, so no investor would be out of pocket there.
1) The donations which should continue
2) The Yahoo adverts (very, very little money, but it makes up for the months when donations fall short)
3) Site memberships. So far, 99% of those came in April/May for one year, meaning that there's virtually no income from that until next year. Any current memberships were put towards paying the costs of the vB upgrade and any additional modules (such as vBCMS, links engine, etc) that we bought to get the current functionality.
The total of which usually equals about $40 to $60 per month on average. Yahoo ads pay off once the $100 shelf is reached, meaning it pays out $100 about every 3 to 4 months.
Any income from the project is usually set aside to build an operating budget for the project itself (reinvesting in the business) until such time that a percentage of the profits begins being divided up between the investors as a dividend.
Someone who buys the site, who isn't banned from Google Adverts could probably increase the income potential of the site substantially.
Again though, I'm not involved in this thread, I'm just outlining a few things for you guys to think about.
Wayne
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I suspect this would be a legal minefield. What if one of the "owners" went off and sold the site without the permission of the rest of the "board"? Would they all sue him/her for the value of their stake?
I don't think that would work very well TBH. The more I think about it, the more I feel that the only reasonable solution is a buy-out from an individual :(
My feelings exactly.
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@all TBH: my only and main interest about "making a donation" is to keep the site alive and kicking. I dont have interest in becoming part of a chairboard, or anything like that.
I just want to put my little 2 cents on this issue here, to help the site staying alive
I wont consider i will have more "influence" than others just because i put money to keep the thing up & running. I consider it more like a "donation" as the way i used to do every now and then using PayPal to help feed the cat... thats my point of view...of course, im talking considering im only offering 100 dollars, but is the least i can do for ALL that this site has given to me all over this years....
I do consider, however, that ther must be 1 (maybe more) "Webmaster" and a couple of mods to keep things in the rail, but otherwise, maybe among the people who put money, make polls, or ask some things that concern to all the site, thats not a bad idea also...but it will end up in zillions of different opinions (maybe as many as people putting money on this?) but i think it would be great to have certain consense on certain issues regarding the site
As for me, i will be very happy if one single person/collective Amiga users keep the site alive, and keeps improveing it over the time, so it can still has its mojo!!!
:)
Sebastian
Im not able to be mod or anything like that, but i think i can point at least 5 member here who would do such task brilliantly
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I'll contribute $1,000 towards the buyout of Amiga.org
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If we did take over the site one of the first things I would make sure happened is Karlos being compensated for his hard work migrating all the old info to vBulletin.
Thanks, but that's really not necessary. I certainly didn't offer to help with any such intentions. Basically, I love the site and the many good friends I've made here. Like many old-timers, I have a lot of fond memories of the place I didn't want to see the new site missing the old content.
Simply put, if I had the $10,000 to spare, this thread wouldn't even be here ;)
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@wayne have written in closed thread.
>NONE of you would invest 15 years into ANY project to give it away for free.
what do you think, the guys who bring in the last years the most progress and new software to amiga ?.Do they get 10000$ for 15 years or lets say 1000$ for 1,5 years ?
this are the guys that port or write opensource software, most of them see never a penny for bounty.You can remove from all AOS the software that is written for free, especially for MOS or OS4 or AROS there is very very few left then.also on OS4 and MOS its known there are some devs they get no money.
they make it for fun, and when you have fun to program instead a expensive holiday or car, you get then indirect too money.same is when you make a page.
Maybe if you do not work on your page anymore, you need more money.what hobbie you then do in your free time ?
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To be basic and blunt, it is no one's concern if Wayne has decided to $ell Amiga.org or who runs it next. It is a privately run site and even if he decided to sell to Coco the Clown who - in-turn - decided to kick all current members off and turn it into a circus side-act - that's STILL absolutely none of our business.
We can be thankful it has lasted this long and that many of us have enjoyed it for all these years.
And I think this thread is about raising money to buy the site, not for debating the moral implications wither for or against. so drop it.
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I pledge a contribution of US$ 100,-, any say that may give me I hereby hand over to Karlos.
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This is news to me. Has Wayne had enough then?
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I pledge a contribution of US$ 100,-, any say that may give me I hereby hand over to Karlos.
When I said I don't think the site should be run by everybody that has contributed, I wasn't vying for power :D
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When I said I don't think the site should be run by everybody that has contributed, I wasn't vying for power :D
Good, then I won't have to fight you ;)
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Good, then I won't have to fight you ;)
Yes, as you'd lose royally, ye wee southern woofer :D
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How cost this site without users?
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Yes, as you'd lose royally, ye wee southern woofer :D
Uncouth Northerner! :p
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How cost this site without users?
Probably a whole lot more than with :lol:
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LOL, no doubt.
Maybe if the spanish lesbians take over, this entire site can continue to exist exist as a subdomain, safely out of the way of their sapphic latin love...
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LOL, no doubt.
Maybe if the spanish lesbians take over, this entire site can continue to exist exist as a subdomain, safely out of the way of their sapphic latin love...
Mmmmmm sapphic latin love....
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The spanish lesbian is not a joke? lesbians and feminist in spain is like a nazi party.
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The spanish lesbian is not a joke? lesbians and feminist in spain is like a nazi party.
Mmmmmm Spanish feminist nazi lesbians....
-Edit- I'll get me sock...
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Spanish lesbians ?? I believe the number of accesses will raise a lot under their administration (...I wil help a lot)
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Oh dear, here we go again :roflmao:
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Oh dear, here we go again :roflmao:
True fact:
Many lesbians think I haven't got what it takes to satisfy them... but I say this is bunkum!! I have everything and more!!!
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True fact:
Many lesbians think I haven't got what it takes to satisfy them... but I say this is bunkum!! I have everything and more!!!
What, you had the procedure already?
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What, you had the procedure already?
:lol:
Yup, I had another one installed! ;)
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:lol:
Yup, I had another one installed! ;)
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why stewardship of this site is probably best not placed in either of our hands ::lol:
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Karlos any idea how many people here have taken out a year subs, and how much people generally donate over a year.
Just thinking out loud.
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Well I could give £50 or £100 I suppose.
Especially if the eventual legal ownership entity gave out legal shares in Amiga.org, one share per dollar, 10,000 shares total. I wouldn't expect it to make money, although I guess the domain is worth a few grand on its own. As a company it would earn advertising revenue, and absorb "loans" from its owners (I guess there's a taxable deduction thing there). We'd have to think up a way for new people to buy in in the future, and some people to buy out (although with nominal share value of 0 there's not much point).
In ten years time, we sell up to Latin Girlfriend Finder, if there's nothing left of the community. Looking at the CPC scene, that could sadly be the case. We might have to sell up with perpetual ownership of "commodore.amiga.org" for our own uses as part of the deal :p
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@JJ
Sorry, I'm not privy to that kind of information.
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thought you might not be. Im just thinking that 10K or whatever in sterling might be quite high for us to raise. Im wondering would wayne take instalments ?
It would still py off his debts, just not all at once, but over time
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thought you might not be. Im just thinking that 10K or whatever in sterling might be quite high for us to raise. Im wondering would wayne take instalments ?
It would still py off his debts, just not all at once, but over time
$10K is about £6000... according to Wayne, monthly subs come to about $40...
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£6000 not the best of economic times for it. How many users regularly use this site these days. Noticed an increase in numbers since new version. but just trying to work out how much we would need if everyone gave an amount.
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I have lots of Amiga stuff I'd trade for Amiga.org. Guess that won't fly though, as Wayne isn't interested in that sort of thing.
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I have lots of Amiga stuff I'd trade for Amiga.org. Guess that won't fly though, as Wayne isn't interested in that sort of thing.
Hahaha, that's sort of the complete opposite of what Wayne wants :)
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Maybe if I'd caught him earlier and threw in the truck to haul the stuff...
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Folks - please look at my original reoply on the Future of Amiga.Org thread. I really think that this is the way to go for:
a) - accumulating pledges.
b) - voting on who runs the site.
Seems to have been missed completely inbetween all the gushing over Wayne's announcement.
Anyhoo - as I said in that post - I pledge $200
Cheers
J
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I have lots of Amiga stuff I'd trade for Amiga.org. Guess that won't fly though, as Wayne isn't interested in that sort of thing.
though you could sell it and buy a share
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This calls for a telethon.
I wonder if Jerry Lewis is available.
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Count me in for a donation of $100 or more.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/rabel1/
Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network
http://www.sccaners.org
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only another $9700 to go then :)
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only another $9700 to go then :)
AmigaDave, I hope you are keeping a running count.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network
http://www.sccaners.org
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I'll throw in a c-note, so long as we see some old-school fisticuffs between Karlos and Matt on who's the top poster on Amiga.org. To make it fair, though, they have to do it in a muddy ring with Karlos wearing red and blue boing balls and Matt wearing AROS briefs. That last part is to appease Moto, Eyso and the few other Amiga.org members who might be interested. ;-)
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I'll throw in a c-note, so long as we see some old-school fisticuffs between Karlos and Matt on who's the top poster on Amiga.org. To make it fair, though, they have to do it in a muddy ring with Karlos wearing red and blue boing balls and Matt wearing AROS briefs. That last part is to appease Moto, Eyso and the few other Amiga.org members who might be interested. ;-)
I wonder how much Karlos and I could earn by performing for "interested" parties ;)
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I wonder how much Karlos and I could earn by performing for "interested" parties ;)
If it will save the site...
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How about a payment plan into a Paypal account ? From someone we all trust. Which is most Amiga.org of course.(o:. Maybe Wayne can assist as a last loving gesture.
That way we can make smaller affordable payments over a longer period.
That's a way I can deliver more than my $100 pledge here, and keep my Financial controller happy.
Cheers
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Save the clock tower! Save the clock tower!
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To all in this thread,
I have a drafting deadline to meet and cannot spend endless hours watching and replying to posts in this thread today, tonight and probably most of tomorrow, but that does not mean that I am dropping my interest in moving forward with the group purchase of Amiga.org for the full purchase price that Wayne is asking for.
I will return to reply to many of the posts here Friday night or Saturday morning when my drafting job is completed and submitted to the Bldg. & Safety Dept.
I like some of the responses I have seen and hope that I can work with some of you to make this happen. I do not even care to be the primary person to organize this if someone else wishes to step forward and take the lead.
I would like to get some feedback about the possibility of creating a non-profit organization and having such entity complete the purchase, or see suggestions for other ways to set up the group which will purchase and run this site. I am interested in being a part and contributing, but I am sure there are better qualified individuals to act as manager and/or webmaster here after the purchase.
I will donate between $500 - $1,000 myself toward the purchase. If someone else who has a few minutes can put up a running total from the posts in this thread so far and also check the previous thread that Wayne started and see if any donations are missing from this thread that should be included, it would be helpful and appreciated.
I will be checking in and reading this thread, but probably won't have any time to reply or comment for the next 36 hours.
Thanks again for all the constructive comments. For the silly ones, I don't mind humor, but for the negative ones and those still questioning the reasons for the sale or the amount, please don't bother. That discussion is already over as a sale price has been set and agreed upon and the only thing to be set up now is who will run the site, how and how the money will be collected (that is, if we can collect that amount, but I am confident we can and will).
More later,
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I'm going to wait until the end - to see all the visible and legitimate amounts offered.
Whoever owns the most shares *should* have control over the site and do as he/she
wishes. Having said that, if I was the majority shareholder - I'd immediately revert this
site back to the way it was before the 'change' :-) LOL! Screw "progress". If most
of us cared about a so called and forced into "progression", we wouldn't even be talking
about Amiga et al. Think about that - just for a second.
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Wow, go away for a few days and who knows what you might miss. What ever the out come, Wayne thanks for all the work over the years making this one of my all time favorite sites to be a member of.
Dang, first the Amiga Web Directory, and then Amiga.org. One can only take so many changes in a decade or two. :P
I'd be torn between new owners and management. It's always basically been "The Amiga according to Wayne" around here and that's been fine by me. Where ever it lands now, if not guided by loyal users, will it remain a favorite? Check my next post for another idea.
Plaz
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Personally I think multiple owners would lead to quite a mess one day. The same goes for a corporate owner.
Instead I would agree with donating to a fund to buy the site, electing a new administrator, turning it over to them with an agreement/contract that the site/property would be relinquished back to the community if they decided to step down so that the process could be repeated if needed.
I don't know if thay type of arrangement fits the non-profit model AmigaDave is proposing or not.
Oh, the wife will trounce me, but put me down for $100.
Plaz
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Whoever owns the most shares *should* have control over the site and do as he/shewishes.
I woundn't agree with that model. I'd like to see the funds as donations. The community would be the guide.
Plaz
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Karlos any idea how many people here have taken out a year subs, and how much people generally donate over a year.
Just thinking out loud.
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If this is in any way serious, the way to go is to set up a non-profit organization for the purpose of purchasing and running this Amiga Community site. This entity would take tax deductable donations, run fundraisers, and run other promotions to fund the site. This means that there would be a board of directors, a site admin plus moderator staff, and possibly paid membership that would confir voting rights along with other perks.
I feel to do otherwise is to bring chaos and disaster. I would hope Wayne would refuse any offers other than sole ownership or like the above. There simply needs to be organization.
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@Karlos
How the h*ll did you get over 12,000 posts? Do you live here and have your own special room?
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No more so than Bloodline!
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Ok, I've been out in the field (literally) for several weeks to come back and see this thread title. Is A.ORG getting yanked? Stolen? Did we not reserve the what-ever-its-called-so we-can-have-the-name-Amiga.ORG only to have it stolen by Spanish Fem. Nazi? Please shed some light as The first few post in the thread don't...
TANKZ!
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If this is in any way serious, the way to go is to set up a non-profit organization for the purpose of purchasing and running this Amiga Community site. This entity would take tax deductable donations, run fundraisers, and run other promotions to fund the site. This means that there would be a board of directors, a site admin plus moderator staff, and possibly paid membership that would confir voting rights along with other perks.
I feel to do otherwise is to bring chaos and disaster. I would hope Wayne would refuse any offers other than sole ownership or like the above. There simply needs to be organization.
Ok that answers what I was asking earlier.
I think I could certainly get along with that. As for choosing a board of directors...
Good luck :)
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@Karlos
How the h*ll did you get over 12,000 posts? Do you live here and have your own special room?
Maybe with non sense chat with bloodine lke at the start of this thread.
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Ok, I've been out in the field (literally) for several weeks to come back and see this thread title. Is A.ORG getting yanked? Stolen? Did we not reserve the what-ever-its-called-so we-can-have-the-name-Amiga.ORG only to have it stolen by Spanish Fem. Nazi? Please shed some light as The first few post in the thread don't...
TANKZ!
To explain, read the thread from Wayne regarding the future of A.org. He wants out, but has no intention of closing the site, so he wants to sell it to an appropriate buyer who intends to keep it running (hopefully much the same way it has been run for the past 15 years).
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@Karlos
How the h*ll did you get over 12,000 posts? Do you live here and have your own special room?
LOL.. its probably the SQL 'update' command that had something to do with it ;)
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LOL.. its probably the SQL 'update' command that had something to do with it ;)
Are you suggesting that he inflated his numbers?!
:roflmao:
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Are you suggesting that he inflated his numbers?!
:roflmao:
LOL... you know SQL works wonders. I can probably hit 1,000,000 posts in 1 line of SQL code.
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As for this thread... I think its worth $10k to the right group of people. I have good memories of Wayne & AO going back to when I used to get *EMAILS* with AO and Amiga updates. Wayne was my link to the Amiga world. I always looked forward to getting those emails at work. Wayne f'n rocks..I hope Wayne gets what he has earned over these years. Putting up with Amiga drama queens itself is worth at least $9k.
Thank you Wayne and thank you for putting up with a not so "politically correct" and sometimes "firing from the hip" moderator in myself.
-Alex
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Are you suggesting that he inflated his numbers?!
:roflmao:
He who controls the database, controls the post counts!
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Depending on the model adopted I'll chip in $100...
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@the_magic_m/argo
Oi, that's defamation, that is!
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=1869 (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=1869)
As you can see, I hit 10,000 posts in Jan 2007. I took a bit of a sabbatical since and only really started posting again fairly recently. I suspect bloodline will overtake me soon enough.
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Maybe with non sense chat with bloodine lke at the start of this thread.
I was about to take exception to that, but on reflection you're probably right. I would estimate that probably only half of my posts are amiga related. Though, expect that's equally true of most members.
Anyway, back to the point. If a suitable model is put in place, I'd be prepared to chip in to the buyout.
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I was about to take exception to that, but on reflection you're probably right. I would estimate that probably only half of my posts are amiga related. Though, expect that's equally true of most members.
All work and no play makes Karlos a dull boy!
Anyway, back to the point. If a suitable model is put in place, I'd be prepared to chip in to the buyout.
Ditto
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Time to use the voting system for something serious.!!!!
A future model for AOs existence.
We could go an anarco-sydicalist commune, a nominated autocracy, a fascist dictatorship, a democracy(god forbid), a corporate structure, a council/club structure.
President, Secretary, Technical Officer, Stakeholder Board, Trust Account (Kitty), Financial membership, Generic membership. So many considerations.
At the moment it is clear there needs to be a nominated initial leadership to work with Wayne in the transition planning. Who?
He/She with the highest posts ?
He/She with the biggest bid?
Existing Moderators?
Frodo?
(though he does not know the way..)
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I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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I think the longer we talk the closer the chance that some Amiga-related party (company or team) transfers the money to Wayne's account.
Which isn't a bad way out I suppose... Merging aorg forum with some particular Amiga player...
Anyway my piece of engagement would be 50$.
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Total pledged so far = $3075
Running total is being kept in post #4 of this thread.
Disclaimer: assumes that all the pledges are serious, and that we can all agree on some common sense solution for running the site, for example Wayne's suggestion in post #24 of this thread.
NB - If I've missed any pledges, please let me know by PM. I'm not reading every damn post every time, just skimming through. Similarly if you change your pledge by editing an existing post.
EDIT: Wow, my 1000th post! Who'da thunk it.
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Sorry for my late post. I will pledge a minimum of $250, but if I come up with more, I'll give more.
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Total pledged so far = $3075
Running total is being kept in post #4 of this thread.
Disclaimer: assumes that all the pledges are serious, and that we can all agree on some common sense solution for running the site, for example Wayne's suggestion in post #24 of this thread.
NB - If I've missed any pledges, please let me know by PM. I'm not reading every damn post every time, just skimming through. Similarly if you change your pledge by editing an existing post.
EDIT: Wow, my 1000th post! Who'da thunk it.
So we are a third of the way there and from less than a third of all users :)
just set up a poll with several options:
$5
$10
$20
$50
$100
$200
$500
$1000
And see how many pledges we get in each :)
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Wow the whole thing makes me nervous. This site contains a lot of very useful information and a lot of images too. I would really hate to see it turn into a nasty p0rn site.
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It'd still have lots of images, at least.
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So we are a third of the way there and from less than a third of all users :)
just set up a poll with several options:
$5
$10
$20
$50
$100
$200
$500
$1000
And see how many pledges we get in each :)
This is sounding more and more like a PBS membership fund-raising drive. Who's in charge? So, say 3000 members here pledge the amount needed, then what? 3000 vote or weighted votes based on pledge amount to decide what gets done? That will be cumbersome if not unmanageable. Like I said there needs to be one buyer or a non-profit entity.
The way this is going, it would be better to try to make it worth Wayne's time by buying memberships as he has set up or just feeding the kitty, or a combination of both.
People's hearts are in the right place. It is nice to see the membership or a large segment of it wanting and working to keep Amiga.org running, but this sort of mob rule isn't going to be workable.
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The site has no serious commercial value to me, but I will offer £2,500 for ownership. As this is short of Wayne's target, I would be prepared to share ownership with up to 3 more people. But that's it. Co-ordinating 100+ shareholders across many countries, would be like controlling a wheelbarrow full of frogs.
That's my offer, a little higher than I would have liked but I can see why Wayne is asking so much.
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I don't say to much on here but this site is one of the more regular ones I visit to keep up on what is going on and actually post to on occasion. I will help out with at least $100 if that is what is required to keep the site going.
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I would also be prepared to contibute to keep Amiga.org online.
TrevorD
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I've just been made redundant and have some money coming as a result. I'm willing to pledge $1000 or more depending on how things are structured.
Weed
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I've just been made redundant and have some money coming as a result. I'm willing to pledge $1000 or more depending on how things are structured.
Weed
Weed,
By "made redundant" do you mean "fired" as the Americans would put it, or is that some other culturalism? I really don't want anyone throwing their life out on a limb for this. Especially if you're unemployed..
Wayne
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I believe it can only work if a small group or a single person puts up the money.
Anything else would be very difficult to manage. (but not impossible)
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I would pledge $100 on the following conditions:
1) The current moderators stay on for at least 12 months
2) All monies that are gathered towards the purchase of this site are counted as donations to a Non Profit Organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization) called "Amiga Org" in the US, Canada or UK.
3) This new Non Profit Organization has members off this site, and selects a Board of Trustees.
4) All members of Amiga.org have a vote to select members to the Board of Trustees
5) Only paying members ($20 premium member fee "@amiga.org" are eligible to Board of Trustees)
6) The board is eight members. The Board elects one chairman who has 2x vote in case of a tie
I'd ask power-2-people or Wayne to hold the donations until it reaches $10,000. And as soon as the Non Profit Org is established, with a board and chairman. He'd take the $10,000 and transfer all legal rights to the Non Profit Organization.
I will not participate in any corporated attempt (shareholders), it'll just be messy. But a self owning Non Profit Organization is the way to go.
Simple? :-)
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This is a silly discussion. 10,000 US$ For what? For a domain and a lot of content written by the users? Just to fill the pockets of Wayne? If he wants to leave, o.k. It's his decision. But to screw the users here is another story. Without me. He he wanted to get back some costs, o.k. But first ruin the forum-software, then trying to sell the domain for a ridiculous amount of money? Good bye, see you at Amigaworld.net!
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The site has no serious commercial value to me, but I will offer £2,500 for ownership. As this is short of Wayne's target, I would be prepared to share ownership with up to 3 more people. But that's it. Co-ordinating 100+ shareholders across many countries, would be like controlling a wheelbarrow full of frogs.
That's my offer, a little higher than I would have liked but I can see why Wayne is asking so much.
I tend to agree with this view. As we say in Aus money talks and BS walks, or is that Lesbos?
I think 3 key contributors or nominees (Executives) is the way to go. Pseudo CFO, CEO and CIO. 2 thirds majority works then.
Other donations as Life Member >$500, Full Member >$200 or just Member >$50. Or ranges to be determined by the CFO. But setting up 3 Amigos as heads, and with Wayne's assistance (fair dob) starts the ball rolling.... just my view.
BTW: Cling wrap...
Cling wrap is a way to control a wheelbarrow full of frogs. not that i've tried it. But I think it would work.
Gertsy,
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@Wayne
To my understanding, purchasers of this site gets the following:
1) Google revenue
2) Members revenue (donations and membership)
3) Site and content (software and intelectual property)
4) Amiga.org brand and rights.
That's fairly simple to grasp.
But,
Earlier you have stated that Amiga.org is the only Amiga site around with written permission from the old Commodore Amiga to use the Amiga name.
What else does this permission give? Rights to use logos to brand the site? What about Amiga Org Merchandise?
I'm curious, because I think there's more than just the obvious here. This site has been around some time, and was founded while the sun was still shining, so perhaps there are some gems in papers in a drawer somewhere or under a chair?
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@Wayne
To my understanding, purchasers of this site gets the following:
1) Google revenue
2) Members revenue (donations and membership)
3) Site and content (software and intelectual property)
4) Amiga.org brand and rights.
That's fairly simple to grasp.
Correct.
Earlier you have stated that Amiga.org is the only Amiga site around with written permission from the old Commodore Amiga to use the Amiga name.
What else does this permission give? Rights to use logos to brand the site? What about Amiga Org Merchandise?
Several years ago, I found a hardcopy reply from a letter I had written to Commodore leaders at the time stating simply that they "have no objection to my formation of Amiga.org as a web site to support the Commodore Amiga community".
Several other Commodore engineers at the time (Mike Sinz, Dave Haynie, etc) also echoed the "that sounds very cool" sentiment when we had met with them at the Commodore Dev meetings, but on that, there was nothing in writing.
As to whether or not I could find said hard copy letter today, that I cannot guarantee. Frankly, it's been so many years ago, I don't even remember who signed it, but the gist was that we (NASAU) had Commodore's implied approval to start the site to support their community.
In regards to merchandising, as you're aware, AI and I have gone through this several times. I hold the copyright on the current Amiga.org logo, first use, April 26th, 1995 as witnessed by the web archives. That being said, according to a lawyer I once consulted, since none of the individual parts match any registered logo from Amiga Inc, the copyright I claim is valid, as an artistic piece since none of the individual parts are exact matches to the now non-existing Commodore trademarks.
Let me be very clear. I'm no lawyer. I never continued to pursue the marketing of stuff simply because I didn't want the hassle of having to prove all of this in a court of law in another state. Amiga.org is after all operated at a non-profit level (not that we're a non-profit, we just don't make money from it) and Amiga Inc loves to pay lawyers rather than develop products.
What you do with that fact is entirely up to you, but from my perspective, since Amiga.org;
1) predates everyone BUT Commodore
2) does NOT operate in bad faith against the current owners
3) Has had written approval from everyone from Commodore to Bill McEwen (circa 2000) to operate over the years those things should be in the clear.
We just do not step on their toes and while we try to support the community, we don't go out of our way to support their competition and they leave us alone.
Considering my history with Bill McEwen and group, it would be a prime opportunity for the new and more enthusiastic owner to develop a good working relationship with Amiga Inc.
In the end, regardless of how you feel about AI or their history, they are in fact the current "mother company" for the Amiga, so I'd hope whomever takes the captain's chair doesn't go out of their way to tick them off.
For example, I saw Bill Buck floating around here yesterday before I killed his post and banned him. Under no circumstances would I ever willingly or knowingly sell to, or otherwise facilitate the sale of Amiga.org to Genesi or more specifically BBRV.
That goes beyond my personal hatred for him.
If he wants to pay me 25k (the 10k, plus the 10k he owes me, plus 5k for destroying my life and marriage) I'll sell it to him and let him take his chances defending the sale against AI, but again, I would never put the site in such a situation knowingly.
In short, while not mandatory, it would be imperative to any prospective buyer to take steps on your own to develop a relationship with Amiga Inc.
Wayne
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I was going to subscribe, and just before i did, i saw this topic. After reading all this, i've decided to not, until this situation goes to some sort of an arrangement of ownership. Whoever is going to own it in the future. Hopefully it's not going to be some bizarre porn site... Took some time to even register here, so i have no hurry and not going to fill this site with my posts anyways, no matter if i would have subscribed or not, but so many problems with my amigas has been resolved, just by searching similar problems from other users and their solutions. So, to be honest, this site do have some value ;)
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@Hessu,
I do sincerely appreciate the kind words and the vote of confidence. I understand your hesitation to subscribe as well, but moreso than money, I want to make sure that whomever takes over this site continues it. Not as a porn site or whatever else, but as it sits now.
Hopefully you'll be of better mind in the future to join up after the dust settles.
Wayne
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If he wants to pay me 25k (the 10k, plus the 10k he owes me, plus 5k for destroying my life and marriage
5k for destroying a life and marriage? You are cheap mate! Claims Direct (http://www.claimsdirect.co.uk/) would get you more than that!
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Weed,
By "made redundant" do you mean "fired" as the Americans would put it, or is that some other culturalism? I really don't want anyone throwing their life out on a limb for this. Especially if you're unemployed..
Wayne
Wayne you got it - "fired". But the offer/pledge still stands.
Weed
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Tumbleweed,
Your insane, but a nice gesture.
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Wayne you got it - "fired". But the offer/pledge still stands.
Weed
Ok, someone restrain Weed before he starts selling body parts! :D
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Time to use the voting system for something serious.!!!!
A future model for AOs existence.
We could go an anarco-sydicalist commune, a nominated autocracy, a fascist dictatorship, a democracy(god forbid), a corporate structure, a council/club structure.
You forgot to add a banana republic, a Borg collective, a pyramid scheme, a Sharia court system and a socialist state to the list. All options are available.....
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On a more polite note, let me stress that if you want to kill the site, making sure we have no more bandwidth available in a given month is the fastest way to do it.
NO BOTS OR LEECHES WILL BE TOLERATED.
This site isn't going anywhere. How many times do I need to say it?
FYI I just manually banned 4 different networks which -- over the last 24 hours -- had each pulled over 900 megabytes worth of bandwidth off the site.
In order to keep us from running out of bandwidth, I will continually monitor for excessive usage and ban IP ranges accordingly.
If you can't reach the site, so sorry. You were warned.
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With this [ATTACH]142[/ATTACH] maybe we can make some headway toward organizing the structure that will support the site and be responsible for the purchase and maintenance of the site for the future.
Edit: Who wants to work with me in setting up a Non-Profit organization to purchase Amiga.org, set up a 3 to 5 member Board of Directors who will elect a new webmaster, keep or elect new moderators, and be responsible for answering to the thousands of members here when they complain? I do not wish to be the only member here working on setting this up.
2nd Edit: If one of the moderators, or Wayne wants to set up a way to accept nominations for the Board of Directors for the Non-Profit organization that could use the voting engine of the site, that would be acceptable to me. I will just assist the Board in setting up the Non-Profit organization as a free consultant, or as a Board Member, if elected.
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On a more polite note, let me stress that if you want to kill the site, making sure we have no more bandwidth available in a given month is the fastest way to do it.
NO BOTS OR LEECHES WILL BE TOLERATED.
This site isn't going anywhere. How many times do I need to say it?
FYI I just manually banned 4 different networks which -- over the last 24 hours -- had each pulled over 900 megabytes worth of bandwidth off the site.
In order to keep us from running out of bandwidth, I will continually monitor for excessive usage and ban IP ranges accordingly.
If you can't reach the site, so sorry. You were warned.
To clarify... Someone is setting up false accounts? Can you find out who it is?
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To clarify... Someone is setting up false accounts? Can you find out who it is?
No, it's not an account-level thing. Some people who're convinced they have to steal the site while they can are just setting up and running "leech every page" bots, aka offline browsers to grab every single page ever posted on the site, which both taxes the processor (making the site slower for everyone) and drains our allotment of bandwidth from the hosting provider for the month.
Wayne
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To clarify... Someone is setting up false accounts? Can you find out who it is?
This is not uncommon. In the past when there has been rumor or talk of the site going away we inevitably see such downloading occur.
Again, as Wayne has repeatedly stated, this site is not going to be turned off so everyone please just relax.
Regards,
Ltstanfo
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You forgot to add a banana republic, a Borg collective, a pyramid scheme, a Sharia court system and a socialist state to the list. All options are available.....
Non profit or Borg Collective. Those two have my support.
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With this [ATTACH]142[/ATTACH] maybe we can make some headway toward organizing the structure that will support the site and be responsible for the purchase and maintenance of the site for the future.
Edit: Who wants to work with me in setting up a Non-Profit organization to purchase Amiga.org, set up a 3 to 5 member Board of Directors who will elect a new webmaster, keep or elect new moderators, and be responsible for answering to the thousands of members here when they complain? I do not wish to be the only member here working on setting this up.
2nd Edit: If one of the moderators, or Wayne wants to set up a way to accept nominations for the Board of Directors for the Non-Profit organization that could use the voting engine of the site, that would be acceptable to me. I will just assist the Board in setting up the Non-Profit organization as a free consultant, or as a Board Member, if elected.
Count me in.
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With this [ATTACH]142[/ATTACH] maybe we can make some headway toward organizing the structure that will support the site and be responsible for the purchase and maintenance of the site for the future.
Edit: Who wants to work with me in setting up a Non-Profit organization to purchase Amiga.org, set up a 3 to 5 member Board of Directors who will elect a new webmaster, keep or elect new moderators, and be responsible for answering to the thousands of members here when they complain? I do not wish to be the only member here working on setting this up.
2nd Edit: If one of the moderators, or Wayne wants to set up a way to accept nominations for the Board of Directors for the Non-Profit organization that could use the voting engine of the site, that would be acceptable to me. I will just assist the Board in setting up the Non-Profit organization as a free consultant, or as a Board Member, if elected.
I can pledge money as I said to such an effort. I can also add some elbow grease. My day job is j2ee developer/architect. And previously I wasted two years on PHP ;-)
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Count me in.
I have visions of you hacking of an arm and a leg as we speak!!! ;)
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There seems to be quite a few members who support the idea of a non-profit organization purchasing (with donations from members here) and running Amiga.org through a Board of Directors who would elect a WebMaster as the main guy responsible for keeping the site running, with help from others as needed.
If you support this idea, please indicate such. I think the first order of business would be to select, or elect a Board of Directors and I suggest that it be 5 persons, as a 3 person Board would be crippled if one or two of those persons were not available due to unforeseen reasons, or if they were to resign.
If the moderators, or Wayne cannot set up a nomination and voting system to elect these 5 Board members, perhaps we should set up a separate thread to do so, and select a end date and time for casting votes.
What do you all think of this plan?\
Wayne? Karlos? Can you set something up to accept nominations for Board Members and then set up a poll to vote on those nominated members?
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There seems to be quite a few members who support the idea of a non-profit organization purchasing (with donations from members here) and running Amiga.org through a Board of Directors who would elect a WebMaster as the main guy responsible for keeping the site running, with help from others as needed.
If you support this idea, please indicate such. I think the first order of business would be to select, or elect a Board of Directors and I suggest that it be 5 persons, as a 3 person Board would be crippled if one or two of those persons were not available due to unforeseen reasons, or if they were to resign.
If the moderators, or Wayne cannot set up a nomination and voting system to elect these 5 Board members, perhaps we should set up a separate thread to do so, and select a end date and time for casting votes.
What do you all think of this plan?
I think that would work if the Board (more a committee or Quorum) with 1 Chair, 2 Non-Exec and 2 Exec e.g Secretary and Treasurer format.
Cheers
Shaz
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With this [ATTACH]142[/ATTACH] maybe we can make some headway toward organizing the structure that will support the site and be responsible for the purchase and maintenance of the site for the future.
Edit: Who wants to work with me in setting up a Non-Profit organization to purchase Amiga.org, set up a 3 to 5 member Board of Directors who will elect a new webmaster, keep or elect new moderators, and be responsible for answering to the thousands of members here when they complain? I do not wish to be the only member here working on setting this up.
2nd Edit: If one of the moderators, or Wayne wants to set up a way to accept nominations for the Board of Directors for the Non-Profit organization that could use the voting engine of the site, that would be acceptable to me. I will just assist the Board in setting up the Non-Profit organization as a free consultant, or as a Board Member, if elected.
Completely agree, a well defined structure is the way to go rather than trying to create a bespoke system.
@AmigaDave
I'd be happy to help out - I'm currently languishing between the end of my previous job, and the start of my PhD, so will have time over the foreseeable future to help out.
EDIT: Running total (post #4) updated.
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Hmm, this whole thread is somewhat of a supprise, I never thought this day would come.
Wayne and co have always kept this site sane, if it ends up a turd then it's the final nail in the coffin for our little community.
I think whoever is involved in the "buyout" should definately be tied down to members who have been around a while, and must be elected by the majority.
We do have some proper c*cks come through here (some of them long term members too), and the thought of one of them in control just because they had a grand or two in their sky rocket is scary.
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Hi guys,
Over the past three days, I have been very overwhelmed with the support shown by our members regarding the potential sale of Amiga.org... I am literally humbled to know that there are some of you who will go to great lengths to preserve this great site for the future. It proves to me what an incredible community this always has been.
That being said, I'm very happy to informally announce I have received an offer from a person I trust with the future of this site. He, his partners, and I have come to a tentative agreement regarding the sale and subsequent transfer of Amiga.org.
Once we iron out all the particulars and a contract is signed, there will be a 3-month transition period to follow during which time absolutely nothing about the site itself should change.
All of our current moderators will remain (should they choose to do so), only my successor will need to be chosen by the new owners, and I've made my recommendation to the purchaser as to who I personally think would be the best person for the job.
As I promised when this drama began, absolutely nothing about this site will change in the foreseeable future, save for one staff change. Both I, and the potential owners are in complete agreement on that core ideal.
Amiga.org has always, and will always exist to support the Amiga community as best as we possibly can and I will make absolutely sure that you are all kept in the loop as to any changes, as soon as they occur.
Even though I'm not going anywhere right now, I am honored by your remarkable support, and will always be grateful to each of you for the chance to provide Amiga.org to the community for all these years.
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Wayne, that is just great news! Especially if it means you get want you want out of it (i'm not just talking financial here)!
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In a way I'm glad you've turned it over to one person (can't wait to find out who). You're not leaving us though are you Wayne?
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Nicely done Wayne! Can't wait until the details can be released! :)
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See? Nothing to worry about :)
*cancels orders of pills and razor blades*
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Excellent news Wayne.
TrevorD
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See? Nothing to worry about :)
*cancels orders of pills and razor blades*
Don't Panic Mr Mainwaring, don't panic!!!!!
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Excellent news.
Wayne, I'm happy for you that you can move on with faith that your work will not be dismantled, and also in knowledge that the transition will be as simple as possible.
Hope you'll still come and visit from time to time too :-)
EDIT: Correcting for several beers' worth of typos (Riggwelter :-D )
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@Wayne
There is one question I think is quite important. Once you transfer ownership of the site, you will stay on as a member, right?
The place would not be quite the same otherwise.
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@Wayne
There is one question I think is quite important. Once you transfer ownership of the site, you will stay on as a member, right?
The place would not be quite the same otherwise.
Like he's going anywhere :) I'll bet he'll be more active without his hands tied!!! :D
-edit- yes,I've been drinking... appleogies...
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-edit- yes,I've been drinking... appleogies...
Cider?
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Cider?
Rotwein! :D
-edit- The clue was in my last edit... bah! are there no Blackadder fans online?
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/me sits and waits for the new A.org owner(s) to de-lurk
(http://thegoodenoughwitch.typepad.com/.a/6a00e553e29d1d883401156f4f7ff0970c-320wi)
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@Wayne
There is one question I think is quite important. Once you transfer ownership of the site, you will stay on as a member, right?
The place would not be quite the same otherwise.
I will be around, but after the transition period, will assume an advisory role only. Speak when spoken too and all that.
Who knows? Once I don't have to work so hard keeping things running day-to-day, I may actually get back into the Amiga... :)
Wayne
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Who knows? Once I don't have to work so hard keeping things running day-to-day, I may actually get back into the Amiga...
That would be pretty good. I can honestly say that I'm starting to get back into it again.
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@Wayne
As I said before, all you really need is just a long relaxing vacation. :)
and a suitcase full of money :D
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Well done as usual Wayne. Should be an interesting time ahead.
Plaz
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Rotwein! :D
-edit- The clue was in my last edit... bah! are there no Blackadder fans online?
Blackadder... ok, Mr. Bean even better, Red Drawf ... priceless. No relation to the last one, I know. :)
Plaz
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@Wayne
Best of luck and I hope you realize how appreciated your dedication has been. Some day the inspiration may return and you may find yourself deeply involved in Amiga related matters again.
@Bloodline
Yes there are Blackadder fans here. Stand by your canon sir! up duty, up duty. :-)
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bah! are there no Blackadder fans online?
Flash: Thanks bridesmaid ... like the beard, gives me something to hang on to! :)
Flash: Just because I can give multiple orgasms to the furniture just by sitting on it, doesn't mean that I'm not sick of this damn war: the blood, the noise, the endless poetry
and my own personal fav ...
Flash: Hello? Cancel the state funeral, tell the king to stop blubbing, Flash is not dead! I simply ran out of juice! And before five hundred girls all go 'oh, what's the point in living any more?' I'm talking about petrol! Woof!
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See? Nothing to worry about :)
*cancels orders of pills and razor blades*
Thank God! I was just about to toss my hat in to helping form a non-profit. As I've looked into it abit for another hobby area of mine. Well, so much for the Amiga.org Foundation.
Now I wonder who the new boss will be...
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YAHOOOOOOO !!! congrats on the fast sale Wayne and LONG LIVE AMIGA.ORG :-)
* The past 24 hours has been a real roller coaster soap opera ever..who the hell needs reality TV shows *
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YAHOOOOOOO !!! congrats on the fast sale Wayne and LONG LIVE AMIGA.ORG :-)
* The past 24 hours has been a real roller coaster soap opera ever..who the hell needs reality TV shows *
Did I miss something:confused:
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Hi guys,
Over the past three days, I have been very overwhelmed with the support shown by our members regarding the potential sale of Amiga.org... I am literally humbled to know that there are some of you who will go to great lengths to preserve this great site for the future. It proves to me what an incredible community this always has been.
That being said, I'm very happy to informally announce I have received an offer from a person I trust with the future of this site. He, his partners, and I have come to a tentative agreement regarding the sale and subsequent transfer of Amiga.org.
Once we iron out all the particulars and a contract is signed, there will be a 3-month transition period to follow during which time absolutely nothing about the site itself should change.
All of our current moderators will remain (should they choose to do so), only my successor will need to be chosen by the new owners, and I've made my recommendation to the purchaser as to who I personally think would be the best person for the job.
As I promised when this drama began, absolutely nothing about this site will change in the foreseeable future, save for one staff change. Both I, and the potential owners are in complete agreement on that core ideal.
Amiga.org has always, and will always exist to support the Amiga community as best as we possibly can and I will make absolutely sure that you are all kept in the loop as to any changes, as soon as they occur.
Even though I'm not going anywhere right now, I am honored by your remarkable support, and will always be grateful to each of you for the chance to provide Amiga.org to the community for all these years.
Wow!
I just got really busy at work recently and haven't had a chance to check the site.
I've just read the news about the sale and subsequently a deal being struck.
Wayne needed to move on and now he can finally do so. Someone else who values the site as much as him will gain control of it.
What more could we ask for? I'm glad things worked out.
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I find it funny. Amiga.org sold for 10.000 usd in a couple of days, while Amiga in ten years couldnt gather as much sales.
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i find it funny. Amiga.org sold for 10.000 usd in a couple of days, while amiga in ten years couldnt gather as much sales.
lol
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Probably RED bought it, he buys everything Amiga :)
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I posted my congrats to Wayne in the other thread, but will add it again here.
Glad it all worked out and I look forward to finding out who our new benefactor is.
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nice to see it all worked out for Wayne and i hope the site will live on !
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Yikes, things move fast when you don't check in on long threads during the work week. :)
Have to say, the change makes me a little nervous (as change always does), but I trust that everything will work out well in the end.
Wayne, thanks for your years of servicve to the site and the community!
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Whats the amount needed to fund this purchase and keep A.org going?
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Whats the amount needed to fund this purchase and keep A.org going?
The price tag was $10,000 US. Some one has met the goal or made a reasonable enough offer to close the deal.
Plaz
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Congratulations Wayne. You really are part of the whole scene here, and we will miss you, but I do understand that people have to move on in life. Drop in and let us know whats happening, or post a new blog whenever you can :)
Right, so what do we know about spanish lesbians :roflmao:
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And I was getting close to selling an arm and a leg as well....
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I will be around, but after the transition period, will assume an advisory role only. Speak when spoken too and all that.
Who knows? Once I don't have to work so hard keeping things running day-to-day, I may actually get back into the Amiga... :)
Wayne
I'm very glad to hear this!
keeping the Amiga History and the AMiga Spirit is important.
I hope the coming days grant you renewed fun!
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Probably RED bought it, he buys everything Amiga :)
lol Then turns it over for profit on EBay. Don't think Wayne would let that happen. ;)
Thanks for all your hard work and dedication Wayne. You made a nice place to discuss a common intrest amongst people from all over the world. Let's hope the new owners continue the same.
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Probably RED bought it, he buys everything Amiga :)
LOL Quarkx To be sure..!
Anyway it's a relief. Sigh..
Gertsy.
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I find it funny. Amiga.org sold for 10.000 usd in a couple of days, while Amiga in ten years couldnt gather as much sales.
It is likely more than Amiga, Inc. net worth at the moment.
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Hi guys,
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That being said, I'm very happy to informally announce I have received an offer from a person I trust with the future of this site. He, his partners, and I have come to a tentative agreement regarding the sale and subsequent transfer of Amiga.org.
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Awesome news, Wayne!
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It is likely more than Amiga, Inc. net worth at the moment.
If you have loose change in your pocket then your net worth is higher than Amiga Inc.
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Finally, some good news in this otherwise horrible economic situation.
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WOW disappear for a short while and this happens....
I am glad it is resolved just wonder who the new owners are.
But thanks for all your time and Effort Wayne much appreciated.