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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: Startrek Amiga on July 05, 2009, 04:23:11 AM
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Hello anyone thought to try make an Amiga 1200 with HDMI slots with High Definition graphics's inside and updated or Modded 1200D wedge case.
would it be possible to design a card similar to the Indivision AGA 1200 with an external HDMI connector.
I would like to see a new modern style 1200D wedge case design.
I would like to make my own one day.:cool:
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I think others dreamt of this before, only that a dose of reality kicks in. Cost prohibitive unless you make it in quantities that Commodore made it in. Anyway its good to dream. :-)
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Indivision -> VGA to DVI -> DVI to HDMI -> 720p workbench
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I think something like this might work to Gefen EXT-VGA-2-DVISP VGA to DVI Scaler PLUS
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Another "dreamer" thread thats going nowhere then eh?
AGA struggles with 640x256 @ 256 colours (8bit colour resolution), "normal" HD is 1377 x 768 (there are slight variations too) in 32 bit colour, "full" HD is 1920 x 1080, the AGA chipset would need to be totally replaced, what you would end up with is only an Amiga in name. Others have already tried this - see Amiga One from Eyetech.
The problem with moving the Amiga platform forward without a company with any money behind it and sound management, is that we are only left with "dreamers" and not anyone who has the money or forsight to make a logical sustainable strategy for this once great platform. Its such a shame :( we have individuals like Jens and Piru et al who are so knowledgable and talented, and a lot of good intentioned people like the original poster but we get nowhere in this world with only those things :/
Until Amiga rises from the ashes, buy a Sam440 :) Ive read reviews of it from people outside the community who say its great with OS4 (just a bit expensive) but it has the hardware to get you much closer to an Amiga with HD today :)
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Hello anyone thought to try make an Amiga 1200 with HDMI slots with High Definition graphics's inside and updated or Modded 1200D wedge case.
would it be possible to design a card similar to the Indivision AGA 1200 with an external HDMI connector.
I would like to see a new modern style 1200D wedge case design.
I would like to make my own one day.:cool:
On "new modern style 1200D wedge case design"...
http://www.cybernet.com.tw/en/products/zero-footprint-pc.cfm
(http://www.cybernet.com.tw/files/siteContent/popup_images/2/zpc-9100_overall.jpg)
Includes a DVI interface, which can be converted to HDMI. The GPU is not targeted as "gaming" processor i.e. Intel GMA 3100.
Note that laptops is also considered as "all-in-one" type PC (includes keyboard).
For example ASUS G50 (gaming laptop)
(http://www.techshout.com/images/asus-g50V-gaming-laptop-2.jpg)
Includes HDMI.
One can install Amiga Forever 2009 on these PCs.
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My dream would be a brand new A1200 / A500 type desktop all in one with a classic 68900 or something with 2Ghz Dual core . It will be able to take standard DDR2/3 pc ram and would support 8Mb Chip and up to 1Gb fast ram .
Have HDMI and component out .
Have built in Wifi
Have built in LAN
Built in USB 2.0
Have SD/MMC card slots
Built in DVD drive
64 Bit sound (but still compatible with Paula)
New Kickstart (4.0??)
Etc.. etc...
It must also retain the floppy drive :-) and be fully compatible with the classic Amigas , yet also be compatible with OS4 and housed in a typical yet modern Amiga all in one case .
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I would bet that 99% of televisions which have HDMI also have a VGA connector which are compatible with Indivision and BVision.
So what's the problem?
AGA struggles with 640x256 @ 256 colours (8bit colour resolution), "normal" HD is 1377 x 768 (there are slight variations too) in 32 bit colour, "full" HD is 1920 x 1080, the AGA chipset would need to be totally replaced
Inaccurate and untrue.
64 Bit sound (but still compatible with Paula)
64-bit sound eh? Heh, you guys do make me chuckle sometimes.
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My dream would be a brand new A1200 / A500 type desktop all in one with a classic 68900 or something with 2Ghz Dual core . It will be able to take standard DDR2/3 pc ram and would support 8Mb Chip and up to 1Gb fast ram .
Have HDMI and component out .
Have built in Wifi
Have built in LAN
Built in USB 2.0
Have SD/MMC card slots
Built in DVD drive
64 Bit sound (but still compatible with Paula)
New Kickstart (4.0??)
Etc.. etc...
It must also retain the floppy drive :-) and be fully compatible with the classic Amigas , yet also be compatible with OS4 and housed in a typical yet modern Amiga all in one case .
:laughing:
If we are talking about machines that exist only in your dreams, why would you limit it to 8MB of Chip RAM? Why not have, say, 2GiB "Chip" and 8GiB "Fast" (all on your new dual core 64-bit 68000 descendant) ?
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How about a teletronic interface™ which would let you interact with games, type and control the pointer using just your mind?
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Why dont you just run Amiga forever on that Zero footprint PC that Hammer linked to and be done with it! :). Maybe slap a Amiga sticker on it?
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I wonder how difficult it would be to put one of those micro atx boards inside an A500 case?
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Why dont you just run Amiga forever on that Zero footprint PC that Hammer linked to and be done with it! :). Maybe slap a Amiga sticker on it?
It doesn't have PowerPC(TM) and eco-system for AOS4.x.
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dont rule out the sam fitting in there,it's just a matter of connecting all the sam's outer connections to the outer connection to that case.
some of the device's keyboard,cf slots ect can be done internal.
or if your brave a cd32 modifyed to connect to a blizzard ppc may also fit in the above case.
A1200 motherboard may also fit in-there too.
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Indivision -> VGA to DVI -> DVI to HDMI -> 720p workbench
Err No......Analogue to Analogue <> Missing or NC Pins to Digital HDMI
As a later poster mentioned you need a Analogue VGA to HDMI converter like the Geffin...sorry lots of cash....OR....invest in an A to D upscaling AV receiver like a Yam 2700/3800 or better ;)
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My dream would be a brand new A1200 / A500 type desktop all in one with a classic 68900 or something with 2Ghz Dual core . It will be able to take standard DDR2/3 pc ram and would support 8Mb Chip and up to 1Gb fast ram .
Have HDMI and component out .
Have built in Wifi
Have built in LAN
Built in USB 2.0
Have SD/MMC card slots
Built in DVD drive
64 Bit sound (but still compatible with Paula)
New Kickstart (4.0??)
Etc.. etc...
It must also retain the floppy drive :-) and be fully compatible with the classic Amigas , yet also be compatible with OS4 and housed in a typical yet modern Amiga all in one case .
Why on earth would you want 1 Gig of Fast Ram in an Amiga??
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvv SIGN THE PETITION BELOW vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
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I would love to see and updated 1200 MB released but HDMI wouldn't be high on my list ;)
The 1200 was a little under-spec'd when released so I would like to see something closer to what it 'should' have been with a few minor updates, for example:
1) VGA output (with some new VGA screen modes)
2) 8MB [fast] chipram
3) Higher motherboard chipspeed
4) Faster blitter & Copper (eg AGA done properly)
5) 030 + FPU
6) Some [fast] fastram would be nice!
And the closest thing I've seen so far to this (apart from WinUAE!) is the FPG ARCADE (http://www.fpgaarcade.com/index.htm), although CloneA may also fit the bill....who knows.
Obviously if it wasn't done as a simple drop-in replacement of the existing MB, then it would also be good to get easy access to a DVD drive, some USB ports and some card reader slots in a Mini-ITX or similar case.
The further you get away for the originally chipset the less 'Amiga' like it becomes so what I've listed above builds on the original 1200 ideas instead :)
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Err No......Analogue to Analogue <> Missing or NC Pins to Digital HDMI
As a later poster mentioned you need a Analogue VGA to HDMI converter like the Geffin...sorry lots of cash....OR....invest in an A to D upscaling AV receiver like a Yam 2700/3800 or better ;)
It's not as expensive as it once was. you can buy an active vga + audio to hdmi converter for around $40 at monoprice.com. Pointless but not as expensive as it once was. BTW it's useless without a scandoubler.
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@Hammer
That's a swweeeeet azzz C-64 yo!
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maybe someone can do something clever around the a1200 sony chip.
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The FPGAArcade replay board has DVI out, and I am using it with a DVI to HDMI cable into a TV. Early days, but it will give crisp pixel accurate output at standard PAL/NTSC resolution, and there is no reason the resolution cannot be scaled up.
If you forget about AUDIO and HDCP stuff then DVI and HDMI are compatible - you just need a cable with the right ends on. The advantage of using HDMI is it works at "TV" frequencies (50Hz) whereas most DVI input monitors do not and need a scan doubler.
I'm just about to put some more pics up of my work in progress.
I plan Asteroids in 1080i :)
/MikeJ
http://www.fpgaarcade.com
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Until Amiga rises from the ashes, buy a Sam440 :) Ive read reviews of it from people outside the community who say its great with OS4 (just a bit expensive) but it has the hardware to get you much closer to an Amiga with HD today :)[/QUOTE]
Well I have to totally agree with that statement especially since that is exactly what I did. And even though I've only had my Sam for a few days I have to tell you that it is fast and very responsive with a modern feel. I mean think about it, Amiga OS running on a new 800mhz mother board with 2gig of ram. It's like a dream come true, for me anyway.
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I've got component (Y/Pb/Pr) out on my A1200...
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I've got component (Y/Pb/Pr) out on my A1200...
any photos?
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any photos?
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg216/markvanhal/A1200/RGB-YPbPr.jpg)
Needed a few little fixes...
I'm working on the next version now.
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That would be a great snap on! But, component video has never worked for me, I dunno just looks like crap. I could always get s-video to work great with DVDs / TVs and was frustrated why RGB component video just made mud? Supposed to better.
Still, this thing could be great
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Another "dreamer" thread thats going nowhere then eh?
AGA struggles with 640x256 @ 256 colours (8bit colour resolution),
Total Chaos AGA cruises fast and smooth in 640x512 @256 colors all day long for 10 years, no problemo amigo.
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I think the last time this was discussed, someone tried to make a converter that would connect directly to Lisa in order to avoid digital-analog-digital conversions.
HDMI only says what the maximum resolutions are, not minimum. and there are some adapters that have 640x480.
anyway it should be easy for someone with PC and HDMI to test and see if 320x256 works.
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I think the last time this was discussed, someone tried to make a converter that would connect directly to Lisa in order to avoid digital-analog-digital conversions.
HDMI only says what the maximum resolutions are, not minimum. and there are some adapters that have 640x480.
anyway it should be easy for someone with PC and HDMI to test and see if 320x256 works.
I think the problem would be finding displays that support these resolution. TV's with HDMI I've seen won't actually accept 480i/576i over HDMI (they'll take 480p/576p just fine though).
Even stranger, some resolutions are only available in certain 'modes', even though they use the very same plug and connector... Take my TV for example: it will happily display 1280x720 and 1024x768 (as well as higher and lower resolutions). However... If the input of the TV is set to HD it won't display 1024x768 and if it's set to PC it won't display 1280x720.
One wonders why they went to the bother of blocking some resolutions in some modes, even though the TV itself can actually display it (like the 576i thing - works fine over scart and component, but won't display over HDMI at all - even though the signal is there and the TV can display it!). It's almost as if the designers are going out of their way to cause frustration and trouble for those who wish something not-everyday.
I suppose there will be displays that do work with resolutions below 480p, but your milage may vary.
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(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg216/markvanhal/A1200/RGB-YPbPr.jpg)
Needed a few little fixes...
I'm working on the next version now.
excellent work!
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64-bit sound eh? Heh, you guys do make me chuckle sometimes.
Yeah, isnt it funny some people in the Amiga world have vision and passion about Amiga and its future instead of viewing a second hand £10 A600 as the end all answer to all Amiga needs.