FS FAAAST ACA1232 50 MHz 128 MB RAM turbocard, faster, than Blizzard 1230 50 MHz!!

[Cosmos]

To Cosmos. Jens purchased right 1000% true?
Jens why does not produce 68060 cards to A600, A1200, A3000, A4000?
Jens why produces cheaper 68000-68030 cards only?
68060 71E41J in 2009-2011 was 25-30 Euro. Now why 120 Euro?
Jens may not use the old 68060 card informations, to modernize is needed for the current components. The new ACA1232, 1233 cards hardware and firmware not = old B1230, etc. cards hardware and firmware

Jens refuse to produce fast cards because this will "push up" the Amiga Classic...

He know the most important thing into a computer is the CPU : so, with a good and fast CPU (like the 060 at 100 Mhz), users will be able to use more softwares like Quake, Lightwave, Tornado, Warp3D, Mediator stuff...

He prefere the "push down", 020 cards without Fpu and Mmu, you can do only WHDLoad with that...

Jens had the choice in 2009-2011 : saving the Amiga Classic with new powerfull and cheap Apollo, or increase the infernal spiral of destruction with outdated cards...

I hate this guy, a true bad one for sure...


For the 68060 71E41J high price today, maybe the factory stopped production, so now only old stock is available...

And for the B1260 firmware : it's nothing to code, less than 2 hours, only some basic memory testing and Fpu disabling...

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

I hate this guy, a true bad one for sure...

Approaching Godwin's Law reference in 3... 2... 1...

:laughing:

[Cosmos]

Please forget about Jens and his strategy of production. Its his way, he always sold out his ACAs, so people obviously buy his products and its win-win situation

All wrong : with new Apollo 060@100, coders come back, new softwares for users... A new virtuous circle...

With 020 or 030 cards, nobody will come back with these craps...


All is over now, 060 are rare & expansive...

[guest11527]

Jens refuse to produce fast cards because this will "push up" the Amiga Classic...

Another conspiracy theory?

The reason is really quite simple: 68040 and 68060 are already hard to get on the market, many fakes are sold, and Jens has currently simply more knowledge in the 68030 area - concerning the CPU bus - than the 68040 or 68060.

The difference is that the 68030 (and 68020) have a "scalable bus", i.e. the CPU is able to generate byte, word and long word accesses. The 68040 and 68060 are different, you need additional glue logic to connect the CPU to the classic Amiga bus (which is more or less a 16 bit 68000 bus), and hence, additional components need to be designed and tested.

For the 68060 71E41J high price today, maybe the factory stopped production, so now only old stock is available...

Not "maybe", but "definitely". They are no longer made.

And for the B1260 firmware : it's nothing to code, less than 2 hours, only some basic memory testing and Fpu disabling...

*That* part is really trivial.

[Blizzard 128 MB]

I never said that my 1232 card is faster, than the B1260 50, or 80 MHz.
This the question:
What can you do with the 68060/50 card (with FPU), which you cannot make with the 68030/50 card?
Answers?

Enough are the 68030/50 for the normal Amiga users, whdload games, demos, etc.
I do not want to argue. I want to sell my 1232-50 only. The price is real.

The quantity of the old 68040-68060 cards decreases + new 68040-68060 cards are never being made + Vampire all cards dead end  = the value of the old and ACA 68030 cards increases. The process is unstoppable.

In 2008. Blizzard 1230+68882/50 was 100 Euro, in 2016 250-300 Euro.
2016. May 15. B1230 MK4 030/50, no FPU, 16 MB was 219 Euro.
2016. June 12. B1230 MK4 030/50 + 882/50 + 16 MB was 280 Euro.
2016. July 24. B1230 MK3 030/50, no FPU, 16 MB was 200 Euro.
2016. Sept. 10. B1230 MK4 030/50, no FPU, 4 MB was 180 GBP = 210 Euro.
2016. Sept. 11. B1230 MK4 030/50 + 882/50 + 32 MB was 251 Euro.

2015. June 5. ACA1232/25 was 183 Euro.

2016. June 4. ACA1233/40 + 68882/50 + RTC was 260 USD = 230 Euro.
2016. June 7. ACA1233 030/40 + 68882/50 was 270 Euro.
Etc.

Will not be new 68060 75-100 MHz, 128 MB cards (to A1200 max. 300 Euro), while somebody does not extort the production (from Jens, etc.). The chance is small.

ACA1221EC (120-130 Euro) 68020 28 MHz 16 MB enough to Amiga 500 with ACA500plus (130 Euro). 250 Euro only. A500 + 68030/50 unnecessary.

[guest11527]

What can you do with the 68060/50 card (with FPU), which you cannot make with the 68030/50 card?

If you are only into gaming, then this does indeed not help much. Actually, the reverse. The 68030 is a much more forgiving processor than the 68040 or 68060. The 68030 can run "blank" (or almost), the 68040 or 68060 need software support and MMU support. It is much harder to keep badly written programs running on 68060 than on the 68030, or games that cannot load the software support packages (aka 68040 or 68060.library).

 

Answers?

If you are in programming or software development, then it does make a difference whether a longer project compiles in ten minutes or two.

Also, if you want to run Magic64, then a 68060 is definitely helpful for good performance. If you want to run Mac classic software, a 68040 is probably the most compatible option.

I do not know much icomp currently charges for a new ACA, but you should probably state whether there is still any warranty on the card. This is quite important for the price point as well. For me, it seems to be quite heavy for a pre-owned card, likely without any warranty.

[klx300r]

If you are only into gaming, then this does indeed not help much. Actually, the reverse. The 68030 is a much more forgiving processor than the 68040 or 68060. The 68030 can run "blank" (or almost), the 68040 or 68060 need software support and MMU support. It is much harder to keep badly written programs running on 68060 than on the 68030, or games that cannot load the software support packages (aka 68040 or 68060.library).

  If you are in programming or software development, then it does make a difference whether a longer project compiles in ten minutes or two.

Also, if you want to run Magic64, then a 68060 is definitely helpful for good performance. If you want to run Mac classic software, a 68040 is probably the most compatible option.

I've had quite a few demos that crawled on my 030 (or didn't run at all) but ran smoothly on my 060, any 3D dwg program (i.e Lightwave, Alladin etc.) is like night and day from 030 to 060, newer (mid-late 90s) games & Nova's ports need a faster CPU to make them playable.

Basically I love my 030@50 since it's the most forgiving for older classic games and WHDLoad but to compare it performance wise to my CS-MKIII 060@50 or my Apollo 060@50, both not overclocked, is just ridiculous

[paul1981]

Any tampering with the card voids warranty. The card could even be 4 years old anyway.

And Blizzard, why do you say that most of the old cards are faulty? Where do get your information from?

When do I get to see your SysSpeed results?

Also, FPU makes a monumental difference in 3D rendering. Some audio software requires an FPU, and some graphical software. Also some games too. For general use you can get away with an 030 system, but if you want to experience the Rolls-Royce of Amiga you'll use an 040/060 and it's hard to go back. It all comes down to an individual's use case.

[Blizzard 128 MB]

With 50 MHz CPU 300 Euro, with 33 MHz CPU 250 Euro + shipping.

[Cosmos]

Another conspiracy theory?

The ONLY WAY to save the Amiga Classic is to put Jens (and some other...) in jail or he will continue to destroy everything...

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Tar & feather him! Ride him out on a rail! Get the pitchforks! :roflmao:

[paul1981]

Tar & feather him! Ride him out on a rail! Get the pitchforks! :roflmao:

That's a bit extreme Mike, he has lowered the price now...

[Acill]

Not a fan of his cards after attempting to repair an ACA500 over the last few weeks. Its not the card itself I have an issue with, but the parts chosen to build them. All of the chips used are very very old versions of the chips. I had a hell of a time finding any to replace. When I did I had to buy them all. Worse is they are the lower versions of many of the chips that even when new were slower than what you can get for pennies more. An example is the LS245's he used, in a package size no longer produced. You can get them in the larger package which is what I had to do and bend the pins in to hot air solder them in using solder paste and a custom mask to lay it down. I bought 50 to replace 2 on the board. It was $12 for them, but I could have bought an F245 if he used it for 6 cents in the proper size.

This is also why his boards sell out and dont get produced any more, the parts to make them are gone or in to low of a quantity to support required warranties if they were.

Just my experience, how true I dont know, but I've seen it a lot now.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

That's a bit extreme Mike, he has lowered the price now...

:laughing:

[Marcin1982]

With the Vampire on the horizon ? Seems pricey to me.

vampire is %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! , virtual %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!

[orange]

The ONLY WAY to save the Amiga Classic is to put Jens (and some other...) in jail or he will continue to destroy everything...

why stop there, put all who sell overpriced Amiga stuff in jail..