FS FAAAST ACA1232 50 MHz 128 MB RAM turbocard, faster, than Blizzard 1230 50 MHz!!

[Blizzard 128 MB]

Jens will not produce 68040, or 68060 card. This would demand a big investment. About 40000 Euro for development of the first working  68060 prototype card, and at least 800 CPUs for a mass-production. We're easily  talking 600000 Euro investment here.
The new ACA 68060 50-100 MHz card would not be cheaper at the old B1260, Apollo 1260 cards, min. 600 Euro.

The last rev. 6 version 68060 50 MHz 71E41J (usable to 100 MHz) CPU 100-130 Euro. Why? Real price 20 Euro, made in 1997-2000(?).
New PPC card? Nothing. http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/blizzardppc

[Cosmos]

Jens will not produce 68040, or 68060 card. This would demand a big investment. About 40000 Euro for development of the first working  68060 prototype card, and at least 800 CPUs for a mass-production. We're easily  talking 600000 Euro investment here.
The new ACA 68060 50-100 MHz card would not be cheaper at the old B1260, Apollo 1260 cards, min. 600 Euro

All wrong : Jens purchased the Apollo 630, 1260, 3060 and 4060 rights more than ten years ago now...

He have all the logics, all the gerber files to produce new cards... With zero time developping ! Few years ago, 68060 rev6 were very cheap, about 25 euro...

But he choosed to start from the beginning, and with 68030, 68020 and 68000 outdated & low power boards...

His strategy is to reduce the Amiga to a retro game machine only, another form of destruction : we can do nothing serious today with these low frequencies...

He is FULLY AWARE of what he did these last ACA years, no excuse... Playing stupid won't work with me !

[utri007]

Considering that ACA cards has same desing flaws than Apollo cards has, need for timing fixes, etc, I wouldn't be surpireced if ACA cars are actually Apollo cards. Jens however bought that desings years ago.

68030 is not a fast, it is bog slow. Anything below 68040 is painfull to use.

Most of 68040/60 targeted apps and games uses heavily FPU. Making 68040/60 accelerator without FPU is pointless.

[Blizzard 128 MB]

To Cosmos. Jens purchased right 1000% true?
Jens why does not produce 68060 cards to A600, A1200, A3000, A4000?
Jens why produces cheaper 68000-68030 cards only?
68060 71E41J in 2009-2011 was 25-30 Euro. Now why 120 Euro?
Jens may not use the old 68060 card informations, to modernize is needed for the current components. The new ACA1232, 1233 cards hardware and firmware not = old B1230, etc. cards hardware and firmware.

Why do you say that?

His strategy is to  reduce the Amiga to a retro game machine only, another form of  destruction : we can do nothing serious today with these low  frequencies...
He is FULLY AWARE of what he did these last ACA years, no excuse... Playing stupid won't work with me !

Min. 80% of the old turbocards went wrong already.
Onto the modern ACA  cards big the demand. They sell the ACA cards expensively even now.  ACA500 new price was 90 Euro, now 200-300 Euro. (Was 11. Sep. 2016. 268 Euro on ebay).
Jens fulfils the demand only.

[Blizzard 128 MB]

Considering that ACA cards has same desing flaws than Apollo cards has, need for timing fixes, etc, I wouldn't be surpireced if ACA cars are actually Apollo cards. Jens however bought that desings years ago.

68030 is not a fast, it is bog slow. Anything below 68040 is painfull to use.

Most of 68040/60 targeted apps and games uses heavily FPU. Making 68040/60 accelerator without FPU is pointless.

My ACA1232 on 20-50 MHz 100% work with my A1200 with E123C and E125C capacitors. The manufacturer not installed E121C and E122C.
http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1232

I am not shopping expensive 20 years old 68060 cards. My loss will be big, if goes wrong. 600 Euro unreal in 2016. If max. 350 Euro, OK.

[jack-3d]

Please forget about Jens and his strategy of production. Its his way, he always sold out his ACAs, so people obviously buy his products and its win-win situation.

I personally dont buy ACAs because I am fully satisfied with phase5 products.

I still dont get the point of 1-3 MIPS difference between various 030 accelerators. Simply if I have 030 with 9,5 MIPS all classic games work just fine. Then tell me WHY do I need 030 with 12 MIPS?

=> classic games (WHDLOAD) will work the same
=> FPS and 3D games will be slow the same

Even when you could overclock 030 to 100 MHz (of course I know this is not possible) you get something about 20 MIPS => which is the power of 040/30 MHz

[Blizzard 128 MB]

Please forget about Jens and his strategy of production. Its his way, he always sold out his ACAs, so people obviously buy his products and its win-win situation.

I personally dont buy ACAs because I am fully satisfied with phase5 products.

I still dont get the point of 1-3 MIPS difference between various 030 accelerators. Simply if I have 030 with 9,5 MIPS all classic games work just fine. Then tell me WHY do I need 030 with 12 MIPS?

=> classic games (WHDLOAD) will work the same
=> FPS and 3D games will be slow the same

Even when you could overclock 030 to 100 MHz (of course I know this is not possible) you get something about 20 MIPS => which is the power of 040/30 MHz

I have Blizzard 1230 50 MHz, and ACA1232-50. I see the difference.
The 2. fastest card is my 1232-50.
Nobody will never produce new 68040, 68060 card.
My 1232 for long time will be rare.
Buying a 68060 card will be impossible already in 2020-2030.
My 1232 card will work yet.
The big part of the demos, games works well with the 68030/50 card without FPU.
What can you do with the 68060/50 card (with FPU), which you cannot make with the 68030/50 card?

The performance is not proportional to the sysinfo dhrystones directly.
B1230/50 9000 dhrystones, B1260 37000 dhrystones. The B1260 NOT 4× stronger, than B1230!

[utri007]

The big part of the demos, games works well with the 68030/50 card without FPU.
What can you do with the 68060/50 card (with FPU), which you cannot make with the 68030/50 card?

With 68040 every 3D game, execpt quake is runs fast enough to be fun. Tinkering with OS is nice, when it is fast as flash no mattter what to do, icons, backdrop, patches, etc. Many apps has FPU support, making them much faster. With FBlit is possible to get smooth 640x512 resolution scrolling with apps and games.

The performance is not proportional to the sysinfo dhrystones directly.
B1230/50 9000 dhrystones, B1260 37000 dhrystones. The B1260 NOT 4× stronger, than B1230!

 You are right Sysinfo doesn't tell true, 68060 is 8x stronger than 68030 50mhz.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

The performance is not proportional to the sysinfo dhrystones directly.
B1230/50 9000 dhrystones, B1260 37000 dhrystones. The B1260 NOT 4× stronger, than B1230!

SysInfo is a rubbish program for benchmarking.

68040 = 2x performance of 68030.
68060 = 2x performance of 68040.
Ergo, 68060 = 4x performance of 68030.  But that's only in the loosest, loosest sense of the words.

Also, dhrystones sucks for benchmarking.  I can alter the numbers significantly (MIPS, as well) just by loading different patches on an Amiga.  Unless your systems are 100% identical, you're never going to get an accurate comparison.

Sorry, the poor English and grammar in this thread are making my head hurt.  I'm out.  :lol:

[Blizzard 128 MB]

Thank Jens. They can't be made anymore, and he doesn't seem to want to do '040 or '060 accelerators.

Personally, I don't know why no one has made a cheap 68EC060 or 68LC060 based accelerator.
Floating point calculations aren't used much and could be performed by a math library.
And those cpus will clock at 75 MHz or higher.

B1230 (200 Euro) components:
http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/gallery/blizzard1230mk4.jpg
B1260 (600 Euro) components:
http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/gallery/blizzard1260.jpg
Nothing gives reasons for the 3× difference in prices.
The component expense is not 3×.
The production cost is not 3×.
CPU price is not 3×.
It is possible to buy it expensively (500-600 Euro) then, if somebody will produce new 68060 card. The real production cost (68060) hardly more, than at the ACA1232 card.

[Blizzard 128 MB]

SysInfo is a rubbish program for benchmarking.

68040 = 2x performance of 68030.
68060 = 2x performance of 68040.
Ergo, 68060 = 4x performance of 68030.  But that's only in the loosest, loosest sense of the words.

Also, dhrystones sucks for benchmarking.  I can alter the numbers significantly (MIPS, as well) just by loading different patches on an Amiga.  Unless your systems are 100% identical, you're never going to get an accurate comparison.

Sorry, the poor English and grammar in this thread are making my head hurt.  I'm out.  :lol:

Frontier 3D game 100% work with my 1232.
What can you do with the 68060/50 card (with FPU), which you cannot make with the 68030/50 card?

[klx300r]

....What can you do with the 68060/50 card (with FPU), which you cannot make with the 68030/50 card?

hmm I'm hoping this comment was said (er typed) in jest;)

[gertsy]

.......

Sorry, the poor English and grammar in this thread are making my head hurt.  I'm out.  :lol:

"Also, dhrystones sucks for benchmarking".

#pot #kettle #black.

[paul1981]

The performance is not proportional to the sysinfo dhrystones directly.
B1230/50 9000 dhrystones, B1260 37000 dhrystones. The B1260 NOT 4× stronger, than B1230!

Hello Mr Blizzard. I thought we cleared this up last time. Please download the following program from aminet, and then run it on your ACA1232 set to 40 MHz via the DIP switch.

http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/sspeed26

Run the low level CPU test and post your MIPS results here. You won't have MFLOPS as you don't have an FPU on your card. Also try the same thing with your Blizzard 1230 @ 50 MHz, post results here.

Here's my results with a 68060 at 80 MHz. Being as though my card is clocked at exactly double the speed of yours, we can make a good comparison. The memory on your ACA will actually be clocked at 80 MHz and mine 40 MHz, but it will still thrash your 030 cards by a rather large amount...

[paul1981]

:roflmao:


We can draw a direct comparison here between the 68030 and 68040, both results obtained using the crappy Sys(mis)info. Again, you have no MFLOPS.

Your results for your ACA1232 @ 40MHz:
MIPS 9.57
Dhrystones 9176

My results with my Apollo 1240 @ 40MHz:
MIPS 30.5
Dhrystones 29226

The 68040 is therefore over 3x faster than the 68030. And in actual fact in reality it's much more than this because of the higher performing 68040 FPU which is vastly superior (faster) to the 68882 (if your card had one, but it doesn't). Lets see your MFLOPS for your Blizzard 1230 and you'll see what I mean. Conclusion? Rather simple, the 68040 eats 68030's and 68882's for breakfast!

[Cosmos]

To Cosmos. Jens purchased right 1000% true?
Jens why does not produce 68060 cards to A600, A1200, A3000, A4000?
Jens why produces cheaper 68000-68030 cards only?
68060 71E41J in 2009-2011 was 25-30 Euro. Now why 120 Euro?
Jens may not use the old 68060 card informations, to modernize is needed for the current components. The new ACA1232, 1233 cards hardware and firmware not = old B1230, etc. cards hardware and firmware

Jens refuse to produce fast cards because this will "push up" the Amiga Classic...

He know the most important thing into a computer is the CPU : so, with a good and fast CPU (like the 060 at 100 Mhz), users will be able to use more softwares like Quake, Lightwave, Tornado, Warp3D, Mediator stuff...

He prefere the "push down", 020 cards without Fpu and Mmu, you can do only WHDLoad with that...

Jens had the choice in 2009-2011 : saving the Amiga Classic with new powerfull and cheap Apollo, or increase the infernal spiral of destruction with outdated cards...

I hate this guy, a true bad one for sure...


For the 68060 71E41J high price today, maybe the factory stopped production, so now only old stock is available...

And for the B1260 firmware : it's nothing to code, less than 2 hours, only some basic memory testing and Fpu disabling...