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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: XDelusion on March 23, 2012, 08:05:03 PM
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I have tried the nightly builds, but can't get any of the ones I downloaded to work. No biggy...
What impresses me is the fact that the last Release Candidate is as good if not a bit better than where BeOS left off! I understand there are a few more features that have been added since RC3, but what is in RC3 blew me away!
I'm able to browse most of my most used pages, download Youtube videos, use Facebook, etc.!
ScummVM and DOSbox have been reported which is very important to me. The GUI is fully loaded and never leaves me wanting for more. It's fast, responsive, everything I could as for from a next gen Amiga OS!!!
But wait, it's not an Amiga OS, but I could swear it was! I mean this thing runs better on my Eee PC 900 than Win 7 runs on my ultra pimped out Windows gaming machine. NEVER once does it tell me a file is in use, or that a program is not responding.
As for running it on a high end super fast multi-core machine, well the experience is only better.
I can't say enough about this little OS except to check it out (assuming you have the right hardware) and make donations towards the cause. Never before have a seen a free OS develop as well and as fast as this one has!
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I keep intending to give it a try but never get around to it. I'm leery of installing anything on my current system, but I'm hoping to have enough for a new laptop with my tax return; I'll make room for it there.
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wonder if this would run on a raspberry pi...
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Where can it be downloaded?
I'm an alternate OS junkie.
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Where can it be downloaded?
I'm an alternate OS junkie.
haiku-os.org (http://www.haiku-os.org/)
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And tons of software here:
http://haikuware.com/
Though keep in mind that not all classic BeOS software still works, but a lot of it does. Also there is new software being developed all the time.
An AMAZING effort for something that has not yet had a 1.0 release!
Download and install your missing libs for QT, GCC 4 and all that Jazz and you are set!
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My wish is they would try to lock down a platform hardware wise to install Haiku on. I hate the hit and miss of this system works, this does not, this works kind of, that one may or may not.
That gets old.
I own a BeBox and if they sold a HaikuBox that Haiku was built around would for sure run on, I would buy it. Even if they just had a sponsored system once per year that they test the system on and that will let us know we are good to go.
I own a Mac Mini 2010 model that boots Haiku fine and I could explore the net using a ethernet dongle but not in the stock ethernet jack, but no sound. Pretty useless as I want sound.
Anyway, the whole hit and miss nature of it drove me away for now and on Amiga as my alt OS fix.
Maybe one day they will lock onto a set platform that they at least work on making sure it works on and then if someone wants to tinker outside of that, cool, but I much prefer the route Amigadom has taken and has a aCube and Aeon for the OS to run on for sure.
But, give me a HaikuBox and I would be all over it like a bear on honey.
TJ
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My wish is they would try to lock down a platform hardware wise to install Haiku on. I hate the hit and miss of this system works, this does not, this works kind of, that one may or may not.
That gets old.
My same complaints about AROS, though I must admit that the same two machines that I'm able to successfully run AROS with, I can also run Haiku with. And actually from the hardware support list I saw, it appears that you are more likely to find hardware that Haiku will support than AROS, especially in the Wireless department.
Your best bet is to join the forums and report your issues with the Haiku team, they seem to be on top of things.
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My same complaints about AROS, though I must admit that the same two machines that I'm able to successfully run AROS with, I can also run Haiku with. And actually from the hardware support list I saw, it appears that you are more likely to find hardware that Haiku will support than AROS, especially in the Wireless department.
Your best bet is to join the forums and report your issues with the Haiku team, they seem to be on top of things.
Yup, I did those things. Just was getting tired of not being able to just get a system to work.
Tell me, is your system that runs Haiku and Aros a canned system or one you built?
tj
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Just run them in a virtual machine. It's silly to waste a machine booting just one OS at a time....
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Yup, I did those things. Just was getting tired of not being able to just get a system to work.
Tell me, is your system that runs Haiku and Aros a canned system or one you built?
tj
One I built, one is an Eee PC 900
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This thread is very interesting: I've been following Haiku since it's initial alphas and it looks awesome by now.
I have a Mac Mini also (2009 model) and it has Nvidia graphics & sound. I can't see anything nvidia related in the hardware database, so I suppose it's unsuported?
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I'm using NVIDIA...
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Just run them in a virtual machine. It's silly to waste a machine booting just one OS at a time....
Good idea for anyone with a casual interest that's for sure. I've been keeping an eye on the Haiku development myself and I think it's about time I tried it out.
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I now use it as my media center in my bedroom. I would think that running such a gem on virtual hardware would count as blasphemy! ;)
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I have way too much to do this week (I got a lot of paintings need doing and my Wii needs hacking) so VM it'll have to be for now.
Now as far as hardware platforms go that just made a thought pop into my head, I would love to see Haiku for the original XBox, I know the RAM is a bit low but USB is not a problem (for anyone who doesn't know, the joypad ports are just USB with a proprietory shape and go onto USB headers on the mobo). No need to chip either as it can be soft-modded. Maybe one day....
....and then after googling to see if anyone else had thought of this I found a bounty for it: http://haikuware.com/xbox-bounty
Looks like I'm not the only one who likes the idea.
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wonder if this would run on a raspberry pi...
FYI buddy: https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/raspberrypis_port_haiku
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Heh, I just hacked two Wii's last week. :)
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Heh, I just hacked two Wii's last week. :)
What does a hacked Wii do?
Is it limited to running copies of games or can the console run other apps?
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Back ups of commercial titles. Full control over your hardware, game saves, etc. Homebrew apps, games, emulators (UAE), mod tracker, custom channels. What more can I say?
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It's worth while to own a few classic XBOX's as well. ;)
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... Full control over your hardware...
FULL control?
So we're not talking the hacks that allow a Wii to use hacked Gamecube software, but allow the use of the Wii's native capabilities?
The main reason I'm asking that is that the latest Wii's don't feature Gamecube compatibility.
And the Wii would make a neat alternate OS platform.
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Are you looking to run an OS on it? I think at the moment there is only Linux, but I've not tried it. As for Gamecube on the new Wii. A work around may be on the way. You can still hack them and do everything else though.
Would be neat to see AROS on it.
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Are you looking to run an OS on it? I think at the moment there is only Linux, but I've not tried it. As for Gamecube on the new Wii. A work around may be on the way. You can still hack them and do everything else though.
Would be neat to see AROS on it.
Of course I'm thinking of an OS.
I've been fond of Nintendo hardware since ArtX was designing their GPUs (ArtX of course was absorbed by ATI, which kind of explain why Nintendo switched to ATI).
And Nintendo's CPUs are basic PPC cores (unlike the exotic Cell related designs of Sony and Microsoft's consoles).
Of course, what REALLY interests me is the possibility of hacking the Wii U.
Power7 based processor? Since MorphOS won't be ported to hacked consoles, AROS would make this interesting.
BTW - What (besides conforming to the Amiga 3.1 API) prevents AROS from supporting SMP and multi-core processors?
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@xdelusion: Is share your enthusiasm for the BeOS platform. I first saw it when a guy at a an Amiga user group bought BeOS PC in running on a p2-350 with 8 mb video card, with TV, and video capture. I played with it for about half an hour and it blew away anything this side of $6000 for the Amiga could achieve (PAL territory so toaster was irrelevant), for about 1/3 of the price.
At the time I was soldiering on with an A1200 trying to run things like Photogenics and Cinema4D on AGA. It was a toy in comparison. BeOS had 24 bit fast graphics, brilliant multitasking, fast booting, nice icon set for the day as opposed to the 4-color, MWB, newicon dog's breakfast I had, multiple "screens", nice modern consistent GUI. We even got a cheapo PC scanner to work with it. It was funny to see the die-hard Amigans trying to pick faults with it: no Lightwave, no DPaint, only 32 "screens", all thw hile knowing that as an OS it was brilliant.
I had a carzy idea that Be could have simply bought out the Amiga name, stuck one of those "Amiga on a PCI card things" inside for those who wanted it, or provide some built in emulation
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... provide some built in emulation
BeUAE is available. Pity that no port outside of the PC version uses JIT.
Still, I'm really getting into this OS.
Its impressive.
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haiku-os.org (http://www.haiku-os.org/)
This version appears to be PC related.
How difficult is it to get this running on a PPC?
How well does it support multiple cores?
Could this be recompiled for Acube or Aeon computers?
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This version appears to be PC related.
How difficult is it to get this running on a PPC?
How well does it support multiple cores?
Could this be recompiled for Acube or Aeon computers?
Rather frustratingly, the Haiku team has decided not to make any attempt to support other architectures until they've gotten to a 1.0 release; therefore, the early ports to PPC and other systems have been languishing for quite some time...
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Rather frustratingly, the Haiku team has decided not to make any attempt to support other architectures until they've gotten to a 1.0 release; therefore, the early ports to PPC and other systems have been languishing for quite some time...
That kind of stinks.
With the new e6500 core Qorlq processors and their abundance of cores, this could get really neat.
How is it that there are proposals to do an ARM port, but not a port to a platform that is more closely associated with BeOS?
After all, other then X86, I can't think of any other BeOS ISA.
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That kind of stinks.
With the new e6500 core Qorlq processors and their abundance of cores, this could get really neat.
How is it that there are proposals to do an ARM port, but not a port to a platform that is more closely associated with BeOS?
After all, other then X86, I can't think of any other BeOS ISA.
IMHO, it's because they're developing an OS, not custom hardware, and quite frankly, why would you?
Doing x86 is a good way to add to your developer and user base. ARM is hot right now so getting those developers and users is a plus.
Most users upgraded from their PPC Macs and don't intend to go back to lesser machines. To most of the world they're relics like 486's, a curiosity from the days of dial-up.
Current and presumably future PPC designs are 99% crippled embedded devices or undocumented hardware like consoles that have to be hacked to be useful. The other 1% are largely being used by us.
I can't really fault their plans and it seems to be working exceptionally well.
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As I understand it, it's not that PPC won't be supported, just that it won't be supported until they've got the OS in what they feel is a fully useable state (though from what I've seen I'd say it's already there.) They did have PPC builds, and there's at least one developer still working on it, it's just not a focus of development and not officially supported ATM.
I certainly hope they support it, I'd love to be able to install it on my Powerbook.
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As I understand it, it's not that PPC won't be supported, just that it won't be supported until they've got the OS in what they feel is a fully useable state (though from what I've seen I'd say it's already there.) They did have PPC builds, and there's at least one developer still working on it, it's just not a focus of development and not officially supported ATM.
I certainly hope they support it, I'd love to be able to install it on my Powerbook.
Well, you'll soon be able to run MorphOS on that, but from what I've seen you're not using it on your current hardware.
I'm going to have to try this on a multi-core AMD based system.
Any idea what video cards would work well?
I have an Nvidia 7600GT in an AROS system (unfortubately set up with a single core A64).
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Nerds sitting around on a saturday night talking about hacking their wiis....
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Nerds sitting around on a saturday night talking about hacking their wiis....
Horrible, isn't it?
Actually, I'm sitting here watching "Off Beat Cinema" with my wife and our new puppy (as seen on my avatar).
I'm drinking a beer and feeding the dog cashew nuts, WHILE talking about hacking Wiis.
BTW - Ain't it great how technology enhances nerdery?
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For those lovers of BeOS, here are a couple fun links.
Computers or OS's with songs made about them are super cool.
Of course for Amiga we have "Only Amiga, makes everything possible", but for a lover of BeOS, these two links should bring a smile to your face.
Not only catchy but brings me back to mid 90s computing fun.
http://media.benjaminoakes.com/2004/The%20Cotton%20Squares/5038.mp3
http://media.benjaminoakes.com/2004/The%20Cotton%20Squares/Virtual%20(Void)%20(Remix).mp3
Here is a link to a page that has a # of BeOS songs.
http://www.benjaminoakes.com/tag/beos/
Enjoy!
TJ
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Beos and haiku are worlds ahead of many os systems but its so damn but ugly that its hard to use. They have to make it skinnable some day I hope to god...
Steven
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Beos and haiku are worlds ahead of many os systems but its so damn but ugly that its hard to use. They have to make it skinnable some day I hope to god...
That'd be nice, but honestly I don't mind the appearance of the individual elements so much as I do the stupid variable-length title bars. That and the lack of a taskbar are the only real issues I see with it at a glance.
I'm getting a new (old, refurbished) laptop this upcoming week, I'm going to leave a partition for experimental-OS stuff. Windows is going in directions I don't want to follow, I'm gonna see if Haiku + WINE will do for my needs...
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I use my own linux respin mostly so I don't care what direction windows goes in, but I can see what you mean. Its looking like a big mess is coming. This will be about as good an upgrade as windows me....
Alternative OS systems are going to grain ground when this madness really takes hold... People will look for alternatives.
Steven
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Installed the last release on a supported HP Omnibook Laptop. The sound card wouldn't work on a cold boot and the machine would randomly power off sometimes on boot, couldn't see any speed diff from Win XP but it ran well and looked good. IMO Running multiple virtual OS's for day to day use is illogical.
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I suppose at the end of the day its about what gets your work done. I think windows is the most unelegant piece of **** ever made to put on a computer, but the apps to do anthing are there and some don't run in wine.
I reboot occasionally from linux to video edit or do website stuff, because I have to but I'm trying to wean myself off those applications for linux alternatives.
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I tried Linux, I really did, but I just couldn't get past the horrible, horrible UI in so many different programs. I'm hopeful for Haiku because it seems they really have a focus on usability; in any case, as long as my Windows stuff works in WINE it should be good.
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I remember Beos and Haiku from many years ago. Be boxes etc etc. One of my old managers loved the thing, had Beos running as a media server at work.
As most things time moves on and Beos was left dead by other os's and hardware. Then I notice everyone going on about it again here so thought hmm will give it another go.
Well all I can say hasn't changed still looks the same ugly. Very buggy still. Anyway first thing I wanted to do was try browsing see if flash and stuff worked but networking was a no go. DHCP, not happening kept crashing. Finally got the static working and I could browse.
Preferences folder had a mind of it's own, one minute there nek minute empty.
So thought I'd check out some apps, same old list and nothing I'd really use everyday. Sure I can browse the net and read email but I can do that already.
One thing that was good as always with Beos is the speed, always liked that.
Anyway those that state or try to relate it to the Amiga I'm not sure how they link up. Doesn't feel like an Amiga to me.
If I looked at it from a corporate/defence force angle (I support PC's/Networks) it's fun to play with but that's about it.
Anyway back to my Amiga for some gaming, tonight some switchblade 2 :-)
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Must have been 2001 the word Haiku being thrown around although it was originally openbeos. Time flies :-)
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Well, if you go to the Haiku homepage it's written "Haiku R1 Alpha 3" which is nit even beta, so it can't be already a release candidate which mean a tentative build to aim GM. Kamel
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I have an AMD Athlon 500 slot A machine that supprised me when it installed/ran R1A3.
It has an ATI Pro 3D card.
I am thinking of putting it back together tonight.