Answer Truthfully Now...

[jsixis]

And for those who pirate software that is still available "through legal channels" .....Do you have any reservations about shoplifting (other than getting caught)?

What is still available and where would one buy it?

[the_leander]

Not paying is akin to theft.

No it isn't. Theft has a very specific definition in law.

Pirating is the act of reproducing, repackaging and distribution of unathorized materials or goods for profit.

Maybe once, but the requirement for profit is no longer valid. Not in the US or UK. YMMV outside of those two however.

DLing a cracked piece of software through a bit torrent is knowingly receiving stolen property.

No, it isn't. That would be copyright infringement.

Interesting point: When I clicked on the pole I selected no, as at the time I had not one piece of software I hadn't paid for either directly or indirectly.

However today my copy of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS came courtesy of Shipit. I didn't pay a penny for it, not even the shipping. So were I to vote I would now have to select yes.

[Franko]

Hmm... now don't take this the wrong way you 25 folk who so far have answerd NO...

But I'm just a tiny wee bit sceptical that there are 25 Mother Teresa's out their that don't even have the tiniest little bit of software somewhere on their systems that they have erm... lets say forgotten about, that may indeed be not quite legally owned...

I'm not for one moment doubting your honesty, but lets just say I have never met anyone in real life who can actually claim this...

[actung_bab]

brrr got storm here what my irish grandfathersaid about the home country

3 months winter 9 months bad weather hehe

[actung_bab]

yes umm yes

[jsixis]

Hmm... now don't take this the wrong way you 25 folk who so far have answerd NO...

But I'm just a tiny wee bit sceptical that there are 25 Mother Teresa's out their that don't even have the tiniest little bit of software somewhere on their systems that they have erm... lets say forgotten about, that may indeed be not quite legally owned...

I'm not for one moment doubting your honesty, but lets just say I have never met anyone in real life who can actually claim this...

 the wife and I made 50k a year during the 90's. Money was not a problem.
 I've bought 1000's of programs, hardware and systems.
 I've been known to claim the real pirates are the people who make false claims about their software and hardware.

I could make a long list of deceptive advertisers and just flat out lies.

The last software I bought was OS 3.5 and it was #1 in BS advertising.
When I went public about it, I was called a pirate by some moron named Fleecy.

I'm no saint, I have used "pirated" software to look at programs to see if they are intuitive.  I bought Brilliance because after I played with the cracked version I realized what a great program it was. I would not have bought the dongled version because TV Paint is the only Dongle I want to deal with.

I know there is a later version of TV paint but it is not as good as my 2.0.2 version in my opinion so I deal with a dongle in the 2nd mouse port.
I own a lot of registered (as in paid for it shareware).
It says right on the screen I bought it.

80% of the software I bought I no longer use or even have.
The good software I sold, the crap like Imagine 2.0 I tossed in the trash.

80% of the software on my computer I can't figure out so I never upgraded it.
Vendors always blame pirates when they don't get 90% upgrades but from my experience the manuals assume your a programmer and believe me, I'm as stupid
as they come when it comes to computers.

CLI I know just enough to do assigns properly and it took me 2 years to learn that.

[LoadWB]

But I'm just a tiny wee bit sceptical that there are 25 Mother Teresa's out their that don't even have the tiniest little bit of software somewhere on their systems that they have erm... lets say forgotten about, that may indeed be not quite legally owned...

I'm not for one moment doubting your honesty, but lets just say I have never met anyone in real life who can actually claim this...

I suppose that since I no longer use DVD Fab, my last use being well over a year ago, and the systems that are running the over-stretched Miami keys are in the middle of hardware refurbishing which runs like a highway project (you know, has been under construction for as long as we can remember with no real goal in sight,) then I could legitimately claim "no."

Pleased to meet you.

[the_leander]

Hmm... now don't take this the wrong way you 25 folk who so far have answerd NO...

But you're about to imply that there is absolutely no way that we could be running legally clean systems. That we're lying.

It's called open source software, you might want to look into it.

But I'm just a tiny wee bit sceptical that there are 25 Mother Teresa's out their that don't even have the tiniest little bit of software somewhere on their systems that they have erm... lets say forgotten about, that may indeed be not quite legally owned...

GTFO.

Read and understand muppet: Every piece of software on this system is completely legitimate. I have a valid licence for all of it. Thanks to the fact I donated toward my distro of choice, I could also select "no" from the list.

That I would have to have changed my answer as of yesterday, does not change the fact that there is no illegal software on this system. All it means is that I got a copy of Ubuntu from their own shipit service.

I'll also have to side with Karlos on this with regard the wording on the questions. They do imply that by saying yes you're admitting to piracy.

I'm not for one moment doubting your honesty, but lets just say I have never met anyone in real life who can actually claim this...

"I'm not for one moment doubting your honesty, but you're lying."

Again, GTFO.

[ElPolloDiabl]

Hmm... now don't take this the wrong way you 25 folk who so far have answerd NO...

But I'm just a tiny wee bit sceptical that there are 25 Mother Teresa's out their that don't even have the tiniest little bit of software somewhere on their systems that they have erm... lets say forgotten about, that may indeed be not quite legally owned...

I'm not for one moment doubting your honesty, but lets just say I have never met anyone in real life who can actually claim this...

They speak the truth. However a lot of that group lead pretty dull mundane lives.

[the_leander]

They speak the truth. However a lot of that group lead pretty dull mundane lives.

[Franko]

But you're about to imply that there is absolutely no way that we could be running legally clean systems. That we're lying.

It's called open source software, you might want to look into it.

GTFO.

Read and understand muppet: Every piece of software on this system is completely legitimate. I have a valid licence for all of it. Thanks to the fact I donated toward my distro of choice, I could also select "no" from the list.

That I would have to have changed my answer as of yesterday, does not change the fact that there is no illegal software on this system. All it means is that I got a copy of Ubuntu from their own shipit service.

I'll also have to side with Karlos on this with regard the wording on the questions. They do imply that by saying yes you're admitting to piracy.

"I'm not for one moment doubting your honesty, but you're lying."

Again, GTFO.

My, My, aren't some folk a little bit touchy on this subject eh, the_leander ...

I never used the word 'lying' you only read into my post what you believe it said, it's not my fault the you can't understand what a muppet like me is saying.

The original question has nothing to do with implying that anyone is a pirate, it was merely asking if you have or use a piece of software on your system that you didn't actually pay for the use of and to use legally you would have had to pay for it.

I was never asking folk if they were a pirate who whether for money or for free churns out copies of software and distribute them or sells them, that is a pirate...

But to all you Mother Teresa's out there, please accept the humble apologies of a muppet...

I still choose however to remain a teensy weensy lickle bit sceptical...

[the_leander]

My, My, aren't some folk a little bit touchy on this subject eh, the_leander ...

When you repeatedly imply the same thing over and over, yes it does begin to grate.

I do love the tactic though, the moment you get called on it you can play the innocent.

I never used the word 'lying'

No, you implied it, repeatedly and deliberately.

 you only read into my post what you believe it said, it's not my fault the you can't understand what a muppet like me is saying.

Ahh so it's everyone else's fault people are reading the clear implications you have made.

Right.

Gotcha.

The original question has nothing to do with implying that anyone is a pirate, it was merely asking if you have or use a piece of software on your system that you didn't actually pay for the use of and to use legally you would have had to pay for it.

Karlos covered this already.

I was never asking folk if they were a pirate who whether for money or for free churns out copies of software and distribute them or sells them, that is a pirate...

Piracy does not require a commercial side. Thanks to legislation like the DMCA, all that is done with. There is no distinction in law between someone using bittorrent for the first time and one of the factory ships sat off of the chinese coast mass producing knock offs of your favourite films. Whether or not that is right or fair is irrelevant.

But of course you already knew that.

But to all you Mother Teresa's out there, please accept the humble apologies of a muppet...

Careful, your passive aggressive is showing...Mother Teresa.

I still choose however to remain a teensy weensy lickle bit sceptical...

I couldn't give a crap what you believe: DOX or GTFO.

[Franko]

I couldn't give a crap what you believe: DOX or GTFO.

For someone who doesn't 'give a crap about what I believe' you sure as hell write a lot of long winded crap about it... :roflmao:

[the_leander]

--A complete lack of dox--

Thought so.

[Franko]

Thought so.

My your quick...

[odin]

When you can say 'you are' in a sentence 'you're' is correct, 'your' isn't.