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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #89 from previous page: September 18, 2010, 04:14:40 PM »
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When you can say 'you are' in a sentence 'you're' is correct, 'your' isn't.

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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #91 on: September 18, 2010, 04:25:34 PM »
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When you can say 'you are' in a sentence 'you're' is correct, 'your' isn't.


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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #92 on: September 18, 2010, 05:10:43 PM »
Well polish me cutlass ar, 'n pass me da rum!

....that's a yes, but to be honest if the software is good enough that I keep going back to it, I'll pay for it at some point. I tend to use pirated stuff for an extended trial mostly.
If  no one is left to pay then that's a different matter, it' s a victim-less crime anyway.
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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #93 on: September 18, 2010, 06:51:56 PM »
What I find interesting in this thread is the apparent contempt for anyone who would purport to not use any pirated (unpaid-for copyrighted) software.  The label of "Mother Teresa" and the claim of a "mundane life" stinks of elitism in the face of a full lack of holier-than-thou from anyone else, which has existed to a large extent in other threads.

While I appreciate Franko for his software contributions to the Amiga community, and I have agreed with some of his positions and comments elsewhere, I find it difficult not to conclude that this thread was an opportunity to exorcise a little butt-hurt over other copyright threads.  The implication appears to be that anyone who claims not to pirate is in actuality a rampant pie-rat who is too ashamed, scared, or otherwise unwilling to admit to the practice.  The poll and ensuing comments have served to shift the balance of morality away from strict adherence to the habitual violation of copyright.  If I am mistaken then I welcome elaboration and offer an apology.

As morals are subjective, the issue will fall into a stalemate as it does in just about every other thread.  In the process, however, I find it unnecessary to sling mud at either side and make accusations of anyone's particular mental states or lifestyle.

Having said all that, I stand firm in my assertions: yes I have used pirated software in the past for reasons which vary from the unavailability of a trial installation to political opposition, no I do not currently use software which knowingly violates copyright or licensing, including upstream violations, such as the infractions of DVDFab or the violations of Microsoft, Oracle, Google, et. al.  With the availability of alternate software and sources for the various platforms I run -- which include Solaris, Windows, Java, Amiga, TI, Commodore, Atari, Sega, Nintendo, amongst others -- it is highly unlikely that I will find it "necessary" to run illegitimate software again in the future.

This does not mean I am better than anyone else, nor do I stand in judgment of others or their lives.  I am simply different than someone who is compelled by whatever motivation to commit acts of piracy.  My opinion on the matter stands firm with the law, no matter how obnoxiously complex or ill-conceived because I believe in a system in which we ourselves have the power to make necessary changes.  I do not believe that while possessing the power to influence legislation to better serve their wont and desire, "large companies"  hold absolute power, which is instead reserved to us, and yet at the same time I do not believe a diametric opposition exists between "us" and "them."  But espousing upon that is a topic for another thread on another day.
 

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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #94 on: September 18, 2010, 06:53:38 PM »
@LoadWB

Ere, LoadWB is this your youtube video...

http://www.youtube.com/user/LoadWB

Cos some of the disk's in it look decidedly erm... dodgy...

(interesting video by the way...)
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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #95 on: September 18, 2010, 07:02:56 PM »
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@LoadWB

Ere, LoadWB is this your youtube video...

http://www.youtube.com/user/LoadWB
No.

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Cos some of the disk's in it look decidedly erm... dodgy...

Stipulating truth to your claim, how is it relevant to my points?
 

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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #96 on: September 18, 2010, 07:34:18 PM »
Well if you say no then the relevance to your points don't apply. :)

Reckon what I call humor doesn't seem to travel too well across the pond with some folk. Different outlook on life I suppose. :(

I have read and agree with most of what you have said, but you seem to be taking things I say a wee bit too seriously and personally. I can only apologise here in public to you if think I'm trying to be elitist or holding other folks view in contempt.

I can only say when you read something I have written here try and take it in the sense in which I mean it, which is, always with a touch of humor in it somewhere. :)

Simple thing is where I live and the people I know almost all talk to each other in this manner. If we didn't understand that we mean no harm by what we say, then the population of Scotland would be most likely zero as we would all have murdered each other by now. :)

As I say humor can mean different things to different people, reckon where I come from ours is very different humor and outlook on life to yours. :)
 

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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #97 on: September 18, 2010, 08:13:12 PM »
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Well if you say no then the relevance to your points don't apply. :)

Reckon what I call humor doesn't seem to travel too well across the pond with some folk. Different outlook on life I suppose. :(

I have read and agree with most of what you have said, but you seem to be taking things I say a wee bit too seriously and personally. I can only apologise here in public to you if think I'm trying to be elitist or holding other folks view in contempt.

I can only say when you read something I have written here try and take it in the sense in which I mean it, which is, always with a touch of humor in it somewhere. :)

Simple thing is where I live and the people I know almost all talk to each other in this manner. If we didn't understand that we mean no harm by what we say, then the population of Scotland would be most likely zero as we would all have murdered each other by now. :)

As I say humor can mean different things to different people, reckon where I come from ours is very different humor and outlook on life to yours. :)

I suppose so.  I have the good fortune of having inherited an appreciation for British humor from my grandmother, who is full-blood Limey, which gives me a little more rounding, I like to think.  I think the difference in this case would be the touchiness of the subject, though we may conjecture for a while on whether it should be so or not.  The only offense I take to a conversation with certain implications is when said conversation may work to negate any comment made in honesty, whether mine or anyone else's, which was my perception.  My apologies are offered in the case the intention was otherwise.  Indeed, this is a heated debate, that of piracy and copyright.

Irrespective on whether we agree with each other on the fundamental subject, it would still be my pleasure to order us up a round, after which we could continue to have spirited debate.

Cheers, and I am off to watch my football (REAL football, not what you blokes call soccer :laughing: which may be another touchy subject, yeah?) team not suck just enough to win.  *sigh*  I am afraid it will be another season like that for us while we attempt to rebuild.
 

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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #98 on: September 18, 2010, 08:37:17 PM »
Quote from: Franko;580030

Reckon what I call humor doesn't seem to travel too well across the pond with some folk.


Being treated with contempt doesn't come off as funny anywhere.
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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #99 on: September 18, 2010, 09:02:54 PM »
Linux isn't always as clean you might think.

Last distro I tried installed without a media player.  It then gave me the option to download one provided it was for "research purposes".

Music and video player codecs are paid for licensed software.  Generally the companies in question don't care about individuals using them but if you're a company expect a letter to turn up from MPEGLA.

Nevertheless, if you have say an MP3 player and didn't pay the fee then you are using unlicensed software.  Better then that, some movie codecs actually require payment *per use*.
 

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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #100 on: September 18, 2010, 09:45:09 PM »
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Linux isn't always as clean you might think.

Last distro I tried installed without a media player.  It then gave me the option to download one provided it was for "research purposes".

Music and video player codecs are paid for licensed software.  Generally the companies in question don't care about individuals using them but if you're a company expect a letter to turn up from MPEGLA.

Nevertheless, if you have say an MP3 player and didn't pay the fee then you are using unlicensed software.  Better then that, some movie codecs actually require payment *per use*.


I think the difference in that respect is knowingly violating versus incidental violation.  For instance, if you are aware that a codec or player is not licensed, then you are knowingly and deliberately violating licensing.  However, if you purchase or install a program which contains an impropoerly licensed codec, then as the user you should be indemnified by the software vendor.
 

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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #101 on: September 18, 2010, 09:50:08 PM »
Being compared with Mother Theresa is rather harsh in my view. :)
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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #102 on: September 18, 2010, 10:41:11 PM »
While I don't ENTIRELY disagree with the 'incidental violation' argument, I think it is well over used, and tends to be more of a rationalization of why 'my' copyright infringement is ok, while 'your' copyright infringement is 'immoral'.
 

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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #103 on: September 19, 2010, 10:32:24 AM »
Well, the good question there was been differentiate on which systems you have this special "software" Linux, Amiga OS4, Windos, MACOS, etc.
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Re: Answer Truthfully Now...
« Reply #104 on: September 19, 2010, 11:36:56 AM »
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I suppose so.  I have the good fortune of having inherited an appreciation for British humor from my grandmother, who is full-blood Limey, which gives me a little more rounding, I like to think.  I think the difference in this case would be the touchiness of the subject, though we may conjecture for a while on whether it should be so or not.  The only offense I take to a conversation with certain implications is when said conversation may work to negate any comment made in honesty, whether mine or anyone else's, which was my perception.  My apologies are offered in the case the intention was otherwise.  Indeed, this is a heated debate, that of piracy and copyright.

Irrespective on whether we agree with each other on the fundamental subject, it would still be my pleasure to order us up a round, after which we could continue to have spirited debate.

Cheers, and I am off to watch my football (REAL football, not what you blokes call soccer :laughing: which may be another touchy subject, yeah?) team not suck just enough to win.  *sigh*  I am afraid it will be another season like that for us while we attempt to rebuild.


Hi Loadwb, :)

Glad we are able to agree to differ on our points of view, your offer to buy a round is most generous, but you do realize that with me being Scottish this could prove to be quite costly and not very good for the liver as we Scots are a bit partial to anything containing alcohol and don't understand the words 'closing time' or 'last orders at the bar'... :)

As for football, here it's nothing more than a game played by a bunch of overpaid nancy boys, who feign injury when someone steps on their boot laces or knocks their hair out of place, but yes thats another subject... :)

(quick note, it's not wise to call us Scots 'British', thats a very touchy subject... :roflmao:)

Cheers :drink:

Franko