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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: Cammy on August 15, 2011, 03:58:26 PM
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Here are some photos of our office, where we develop and test new Amiga games and software.
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/2_UndergroundArcadeOffice.JPG)
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/2_PCA500A500PCA1200PCA1200EfikaPS2PC.JPG)
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/2_PCA1200A600PC.JPG)
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/2_WholeOffice.JPG)
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/2_A1200A1600A600.JPG)
All PCs are running Aros and Linux, some also run Haiku. Efika is running MorphOS 2.7, Amigas are running AmigaOS 1.3 and 3.1, some also running MacOS 7.6.1.
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Very nice!
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What is the name of the company?
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Underground Arcade!
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How many people work there at a time, looks to be like you have a rather small workspace?
EDIT: Whats your primary coding language?
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Is underground arcade making games cammy.
I would be interested in helping if so.
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Hot diggity damn! Nice setup.
...I need to get cracking on my MSXDev project so's I can get finished and get on to one of my planned Amiga projects...
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We're really only just starting up, but we want to get serious about this. Currently only two to four people "work" here at a time, myself, a pixel artist and a digital artist and another girl who is a casual artist, playtester and will be helping with packaging when we start producing something. It can get a little cramped, but it's all we've got for now!
I'm the only programmer who works here, and I code in AmigaE, which I believe is the best all-round language for classic Amiga applications and games, it has excellent inline Assembly and object-oriented programming. I still think the other languages all have their advantages too, but I like E because it's good for just about anything, compiles fast and creates small, quick binaries.
A few of us here and around the world online have been trying to get some games made for years, but so far nothing is really finished. We need to get our act together, and hopefully now with our newly set up office some of us here will be able to be more productive.
Apart from software, we're trying to also start an Amiga help and rescue team, where we can provide necessary boot disks, drives, cables and other essential hardware and software get new and returning Amiga users the help they need to make their old Amigas usable again. For this we'd like to start an online "Amiga Disk Swapping Network" or something, where other helpful Amiga users around the world who have the spare floppy disks can provide them on request when someone they are closest to is in need. This way we hope to get representatives in each continent at least, to provide quick and cheap delivery. We'll probably try and set up a website for this if anyone is interested in volunteering.
So here is some of the stock we have acquired to use for our help and rescue team, as well as some other hardware donated to use from FitzSteve and ElPolloDiabl. :)
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6183/6043435751_cf782a87d3_b.jpg)
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6064/6043435753_fffa6bbd42_b.jpg)
We'd like to try and get a forum started for all Amiga developers and creative people, where we can collaborate on games, programs and hardware projects. We used to have a forum for Underground Arcade years ago but it's gone, and our team kind of broke up. There are a few of us left, and we'd still like to get our games finished. One of our first ideas was Halloween Nightmare, which we made a small, single level demo of a few years ago using Backbone and rushed it out in a couple of weeks (from concept to upload) so it was on Aminet by Halloween. The game will be far different to this crappy old demo, but it might give you a bit of an idea of the kind of games we'd like to make for Amigas (I'm really sorry to anyone who has already played this): http://aminet.net/package/game/demo/HalloweenNightmareDemo
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Holy crap! Colour me impressed!!
Cammy you've done a great job getting all that setup and I look forward to seeing what your studio produces.
Best of luck,
Mark
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Impressive Cammy. As far as spare floppies go, I can help with that as I get in a ton of old DD floppies, 880K and 1MB I currently have about 20 of each, and can get much more (I have a friend who gets them in for free). Once I get another Amiga in a few months, I can make discs for new and returning users who need applications, I will be archiving a bunch of them in my set of PCs.
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Very cool. But man, someone is going to trip over those cords!
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Wow Cammy, that is a serious endeavor you got going on, looks like fun. I don't think I would get any work done there though. :lol:
But maybe that's the point, if you get to do what you love it's not work, or so I'm told by some lucky bastards.
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nice office but where are the workers?
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Looks great Cammy. If you need any extra persons to help I would be glad to lend my services. I don't program, but I do graphics art and animation and also could help on the "rescue" end you are trying to put together as I am a network engineer.
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You are in Coff's?
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Very cool. But man, someone is going to trip over those cords!
Too friggin' sweet Cammy! Love how clean, tidy and organized everything is. Regarding wires being tripped on, if you really cared and didn't simply want to slap some duct tape down, there's always those floor cord concealers for that true "office" look:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Belkin-Tan-6-Floor-Cord-Concealer-Cover-adhesive-tape-/250867257575?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a68da90e7#ht_2120wt_1088
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If I ever get divorced, I'm moving in there. :lol:
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Do you plan to do any developing for Natami if and when it comes out Cammy?
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We're really only just starting up, but we want to get serious about this. Currently only two to four people "work" here at a time, myself, a pixel artist and a digital artist and another girl who is a casual artist, playtester and will be helping with packaging when we start producing something. It can get a little cramped, but it's all we've got for now!
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/2_UndergroundArcadeOffice.JPG)
Ooo! Are the other employees the woman featured in the photos, above?
[me has fantasies of scantily clad female programmers running around the office spraying each other with seltzer...]
Or am I mixing my fantasies here? :D
Keep the faith, Cammy. Keep the faith. :)
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Very cool. But man, someone is going to trip over those cords!
Yeah i wouldn't trust myself in that place. Me in that place would be like an elephant in a china shop! :lol:
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I am happy to see ppl still enjoying using Amigas :)
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Ooo! Are the other employees the woman featured in the photos, above?
[me has fantasies of scantily clad female programmers running around the office spraying each other with seltzer...])
Those photos can't hold a candle to Cammy. Bright, beautiful, intelligent, AND loves AMIGA! She truly is one in a million. If I lived in Australia I would volunteer to work there! :-)
I think the folks doing the Amiga film should cover what Cammy and her associates are doing. I know this will sound horrible sexist but if they were REALLY smart that would put Cammy on the cover. Every great film needs a beautiful heroine to pull all the guys and geeks in.
They would all shout: "Look! A g.g.gg..girl!
Cheers!
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Someone is playing Theme Park :D
Awesome pictures. I'am glad that there is still hope for new games on the amiga - even tho I still have to finish like 200 games from my youth :)
- Gil
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God, it looks like there's a little Amiga paradise on Earth :)
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Best of luck with this endeavour Cammy.
Is there any prospect if picking up old Amiga games that were almost finished but never released? These may not need much work to finish off, and would give you some quick wins to hopefully raise some funds.
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a good music video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNnqjbojqjE
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Way to go Cammy :)
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Yeah i wouldn't trust myself in that place. Me in that place would be like an elephant in a china shop! :lol:
Looks like a good setup Cammy, wish you well. But better tape down those cables. OH&S issue there. Especially if Kesa comes over, last thing you want is his head through a 1084S.
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I wish you all the best of luck, Cammy! you deserve it :-)
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I think the folks doing the Amiga film should cover what Cammy and her associates are doing. I know this will sound horrible sexist but if they were REALLY smart that would put Cammy on the cover. Every great film needs a beautiful heroine to pull all the guys and geeks in.
Yea, everyone would want Cammy to become their "Ultimate Amiga Upgrade." ;)
They would all shout: "Look! A g.g.gg..girl!
Ha! They're doin' it here already. ;)
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I have to admit, this is kind of what I wanted my apartment to look like back in the late 80s.
Nice setup! Good luck with your development efforts. Maybe you should consider hosting an annual Amiga show in there too.
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It looks really nice. Best of luck with the development work!
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I look forward to your games developments. I hope you find inspiration for some good games.
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Color me impressed enough to come back from the great Amiga beyond and say I'm impressed.
That is a very cool setup you have there, something like what I would like to have, but more for digital art and animation than games and programming. I have been taking programming classes in college though; C, C++, and X86 assembly. I've wanted to do some app programming for Aros.
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This is great work, excellent setup, wish you the best of luck. :)
I keep meaning to get back into game development on the Amiga, but it always finding the time to do it and then not wast my time on my PS3 or the Net, too many distraction!
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The A500s are so much nicer than the A1200s ...
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The A500s are so much nicer than the A1200s ...
Fixed that for you. :laughing:
Sorry, couldn't resist since you snuck the the 'OT' flags in there. Both machines are great since they're Amiga's of course ;-)
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Congratulation of what you've done here.
Really nice place to work!
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I think you should ALSO target a more mainstream platform like iOS, Android or the upcoming WinMo 7.5 Mango. Revenue generated by those ports could easily keep up the hobby business up and running. There are several SDKs, like Cocos2D which you can use to develop.
One of the guys who founded TouchArcade is an ex-Amiga user that's still around here (forum). I'm pretty sure he would help you to promote some of the apps. Specially if you launch 2 separate versions: Classic Amiga and iOS at the same time...
This guy -> http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=1774
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Looks good Cammy! I am planning on putting an upgraded A600 in place at work for sysadmin etc just "cos I can" lol
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I too am impressed. Extremely nice looking workspace, and I like your goals.
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I think you should ALSO target a more mainstream platform like iOS, Android or the upcoming WinMo 7.5 Mango. Revenue generated by those ports could easily keep up the hobby business up and running. There are several SDKs, like Cocos2D which you can use to develop.
One of the guys who founded TouchArcade is an ex-Amiga user that's still around here (forum). I'm pretty sure he would help you to promote some of the apps. Specially if you launch 2 separate versions: Classic Amiga and iOS at the same time...
This guy -> http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=1774
Maybe it's just my hatred toward both Apple and Microsoft, but blech. I have separate qualms against Google, but they're fast approaching being on my "yeah screw you too." list, though you just can't really beat their search engine... sigh.
Problem with doing that would be sacrificing because of different control methods, generally speaking most types of games do not translate well to touch screens. My advice (and sounds like it might be like this anyhow) is to do it for Linux, Aros, AmigaOS. Then, perhaps down the line when there is a 4th Humble Indie Bundle, put the game in there! Not sure how much the total tally of all of them have been, but some serious money has been donated through that and the buyers get to choose which developers get the percentage of money.
The real question I guess is; are the games / software going to be commercial or 'for the love of the craft' and released for free (open or closed source)?
Also, that's an awesome office. I try to think of things that I should decorate my house with, and I think that Hellboy Poster is now on the list!
If you guys need some sort of Hosting, I might be able to arrange something with you. I have a decently fast connection, depending on how much you plan on using it (something like a Forum would be nothing). Though currently I need to work some things out with power issues, but that shouldn't be too much of a big deal. Let me know.
slaapliedje
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Problem with doing that would be sacrificing because of different control methods, generally speaking most types of games do not translate well to touch screens. My advice (and sounds like it might be like this anyhow) is to do it for Linux, Aros, AmigaOS. Then, perhaps down the line when there is a 4th Humble Indie Bundle, put the game in there! Not sure how much the total tally of all of them have been, but some serious money has been donated through that and the buyers get to choose which developers get the percentage of money.
The real question I guess is; are the games / software going to be commercial or 'for the love of the craft' and released for free (open or closed source)?
I've got App Game Kit (http://appgamekit.com/) on my Mac so once PortablE is ported to that, I could probably handle several ports. The catch is: Is Cammy willing that I port it?
Also, that's an awesome office. I try to think of things that I should decorate my house with, and I think that Hellboy Poster is now on the list!
If you guys need some sort of Hosting, I might be able to arrange something with you. I have a decently fast connection, depending on how much you plan on using it (something like a Forum would be nothing). Though currently I need to work some things out with power issues, but that shouldn't be too much of a big deal. Let me know.
Hosting may be an issue but I'll let Cammy talk to you about that.
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I bet that's what Cammy's living room/study looks like anyway ;)
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I've got App Game Kit (http://appgamekit.com/) on my Mac so once PortablE is ported to that, I could probably handle several ports. The catch is: Is Cammy willing that I port it?
I'm guessing that's also available for Linux and Windows? Looking forward to new games for the Amiga.
Hosting may be an issue but I'll let Cammy talk to you about that.
OKay, I currently have a 20mbps upload, so it should be okay for some forums, and lightweight web hosting.
slaapliedje
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Yeah, if it were possible to cross develop for iOS it would make the whole venture worthwhile. Why not leverage the immense size of the iOS audience to develop for our small community?
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I must say that nowadays I hate Google more than Microsoft and Apple. I bet that in two years Microsoft will be back ahead. Jobs will die before OSX is unified with iOS and they can't keep up the innovation pace without him. Google after Eric Schmidt is completely LOST. Larry Page is just too small for the CEO position.
Windows 8 and the integration between tablet and a regular PC is the way to go. "Tablets are PCs" and "Phones are phones". (even Apple is now moving to that)
Cross Developing for both a mainstream platform and a hobbyist platform is probably the BEST (not the only) way to keep you motivated.
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Micro$haft will never be ahead, hopefully ever again. I'm hoping after Jobs dies Wozniak will return, he is the real genius.
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@hbarcellos and dreamcast270mhz
Let's try to keep this on-topic here. Take your MS vs. Google vs. Apple flamefests to a different thread.
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I must say that nowadays I hate Google more than Microsoft and Apple. ... Google after Eric Schmidt is completely LOST. Larry Page is just too small for the CEO position.
I don't hate them, yet, but I do agree they've lost their way. Many of the tools like GMail are great, but the way they're trying to push integration between them whether you like it or not so that they can become all things to all people does not speak well for their future.
(And they're getting increasingly more sinister with this whole collecting-information deal...come on, guys, I don't think "minor cartoon supervillain" is the image you were going for.)
(And quit frickin' changing things around and not giving me the option to switch back! I'm having to use the mobile search page because they decided they really, really wanted to be Bing! and abandoned the simple, unadorned results-list interface that served them well for a freaking decade, and GMail is perma-toggled into simple HTML mode because they wouldn't stop shuffling crap around...)
Windows 8 and the integration between tablet and a regular PC is the way to go. "Tablets are PCs" and "Phones are phones". (even Apple is now moving to that)
No. Tablets are a dead end; they don't have the ultra-portability of smartphones and they don't have the capability or the keyboard of a netbook or laptop. The whole "tablets will replace PCs" thing is a Wired pipe-dream and a marketing scam, and won't last when the initial infatuation is over.
Micro$haft will never be ahead, hopefully ever again. I'm hoping after Jobs dies Wozniak will return, he is the real genius.
Oh, I wish. Woz is one of those people who' so cool you can't believe he's actually a real person and not some larger-than-life nerd archetype...
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@hbarcellos and dreamcast270mhz
Let's try to keep this on-topic here. Take your MS vs. Google vs. Apple flamefests to a different thread.
Well, the real point is: How to sustain development for a platform with just a few users.
We're all very excited to see Cammy's efforts on that, but, I think we all know that those projects rarely last more than a few months of excitement.
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great, never saw so many Amigas for a looong time.
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No. Tablets are a dead end; they don't have the ultra-portability of smartphones and they don't have the capability or the keyboard of a netbook or laptop. The whole "tablets will replace PCs" thing is a Wired pipe-dream and a marketing scam, and won't last when the initial infatuation is over.
You just said exactly Microsoft's point on that.
Tablets are just fine to read e-mail on the couch or watch videos. But if your boss send you a spreadsheet with your company's P&L asking for an adjustment you'll not do it on the tablet. It's simple not quick and accurate enough.
M$ says that, you'll drag the "classic" windows environment from the left (see video), put your Windows 8 tablet on the stand and start using it with your wireless keyboard and mouse as a regular PC.
Check the Windows 8 video...
Maybe we should start a thread on that...
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M$ says that, you'll drag the "classic" windows environment from the left (see video), put your Windows 8 tablet on the stand and start using it with your wireless keyboard and mouse as a regular PC.
Or, you know, you could either not start work on the tablet to begin with, or use a laptop or netbook (my Eee is every bit as portable and couch-friendly as anybody's slab.) The Windows 8 video is another example of how Microsoft's marketing division has no connection to the way real people think, speak, or act, like that nightmarish "Windows 7 launch party" video where a bunch of actors try to be cheery but come off like they're being forced to play-act The Brady Bunch while being held at gunpoint by unfathomable space-beings from the beyond.
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Or, you know, you could either not start work on the tablet to begin with, or use a laptop or netbook (my Eee is every bit as portable and couch-friendly as anybody's slab.)
Focusing only on the "couch-friendly" experience: The world disagrees with your opinion. Right or Wrong is subjective here and pretty much 99% of regular people prefer tablets for the couch experience. They don't want to run WinUAE or start Directory Opus, they just want to browse the web, read e-mails, pinch to zoom on photos and play angry birds.
For the rest of us (me and you included) a regular notebook is just perfect!
M$ wants (and will) create an unique device that acts like a tablet on the couch and instantly transforms into a desktop simple by putting it into a stand. Plus: runs any Windows software, WinUAE included.
The Windows 8 video is another example of how Microsoft's marketing division has no connection to the way real people think, speak, or act, like that nightmarish "Windows 7 launch party" video where a bunch of actors try to be cheery but come off like they're being forced to play-act The Brady Bunch while being held at gunpoint by unfathomable space-beings from the beyond.
They're like WOZ. Only Apple has Steve Jobs. No HYPE/Religion included.
Going back to
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Time for the AmiPad!
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Time for the AmiPad!
That would be an EXCELLENT idea, Amiga and it's lightweight OS, would be snappy as anything else out there. The only problem is interface design isn't exactly meant for touch screens. Basically most touch screen based OSs are basically just launchers for applications, and then once in the application, there really isn't a good UI to switch to other applications. One exception is Maemo 5 on my Nokia N900, I love the multitasking on it. If only I could screen drag... :D
Actually that's kind of what I was thinking when I saw the whole 'Swipe' interface on the Nokia N9, that it reminded me of the screens and dragging them on the Amiga.
Anyone know if an 060 can be small enough to fit inside a phone and use little power to have a decent battery life? Well maybe at least a 7" size (which I think is perfect, I personally feel the real use of a tablet is in reading books, or annotating simple things, maybe note taking, but usually too much of an annoyance as far as actually browsing the web, good for quick look ups, but that's it.)
An Amiga tablet would kick ass. Though I'm thinking AmiTab would be a cooler name.
By the way, I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE for derailing this; though I'm not the one who first proposed multi-platform.
Hearing about a new Amiga game is getting everyone excited, and wanting to see it on platform X is part of that, but who cares if it's Amiga Only and maybe just packaged with Amiga Forever, or WinUAE or whatever emulator hits your fancy.
slaapliedje
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Wait for the FPGA version of the 68k cpu. I bet there is a small enough fpga to house the 68k core.
Not sure though
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Focusing only on the "couch-friendly" experience: The world disagrees with your opinion. Right or Wrong is subjective here and pretty much 99% of regular people prefer tablets for the couch experience.
I'd like to see some numbers on that "99%." The surveys (http://www.inquisitr.com/76157/tablets-to-overtake-desktop-sales-by-2015-laptops-will-still-reign/) I found (http://blog.mfoundry.com/2011/08/a-touch-is-universal/) show both netbooks and full-sized laptops holding fairly steady while tablets increase and desktops take a bigger hit, (they go on to predict tablet dominance, but we'll see how that plays out,) which suggests less that tablets are eating into netbook sales and more that people are moving away from desktops for general-purpose computing and checking out the new slabby thing everybody's talking about. It's possible I'm mistaken, but I think once the nerd infatuation with having the Next Generation data pads wears off, we'll see things shifting back towards machines with real keyboards and decent-sized hard drives.
M$ wants (and will) create an unique device that acts like a tablet on the couch and instantly transforms into a desktop simple by putting it into a stand. Plus: runs any Windows software, WinUAE included.
"Unique?" Docking stations are nothing new, they've been around almost as long as laptops have. It's just that people generally don't bother with them because they're more trouble than they're worth, especially now that laptop keyboards and screens are of a usable size.
(Also, for those keeping score, my Eee also runs any Windows software...)
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I love my tablet (iPad), and now that I have one don't want to live without it.
My notebook makes me a bit more productive, but it's kind of an evil necessity. All the complexity of a desktop, but not as useable with it's sub-par keyboard and pointing device. I whip it out when I need to, but at home it stays mostly on the shelf.
My desktop with nice big dual screens and full keyboard and mouse is where I'm most productive, and where I go if I need to do some real work.
So, at home when I'm using some kind of device, I'm on my tablet say 47.5% of the time (nights and just hanging around the house), my desktop 47.5% of the time (when I'm working), and my notebook 5% of the time (when I don't want to be in my office but need to do something my tablet can't handle.
When I travel the tablet is nice, but I don't dare leave my notebook at home.
I don't think the tablet will replace the notebook, but for me it ALMOST replaces it at home. 50/50 when travelling. Neither will ever replace my desktop.
As for docking stations, they're nice if you want to use your notebook as your main PC (I don't), but you need to get a REAL docking station. In my opinion USB docks are crap and barely worth it. Dedicated docks are great, but you have to buy a higher-end notebook in order to have a docking station connector. Also, they typically overcharge for most docks. It's nice, but expensive in the end.
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You mad fools! How does any of the past page of posts help Cammy's office?
Tablet this, tablet that - I think I'll go take a tablet for my headache...
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Wow, that looks great Cammy. So many nice clean looking machines. If I were in NSW I'd help out, but unfortunately I'm in Melbourne.
Good luck with it all!!!
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Wow, that looks great Cammy. So many nice clean looking machines. If I were in NSW I'd help out, but unfortunately I'm in Melbourne.
Good luck with it all!!!
Yeah, that office rules. I don't know what it is about Cammy, but every time I see her avatar picture, and then under it where it says Australia, NSW, I want to put an F in there. NSFW!
With all those Amigas, that definitely is some serious geek pr0n!
slaapliedje
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Sorry to double post, but looking at that picture of the office, reminded me of a time long ago when I went to a user group meeting, I only really went to one, and it was for the Atari ST rather than the Amiga, but the people were much like the Amiga users (really, I think most of them were like me, who loved the Atari 8-bits, then mistakenly thought that the ST was the the next step, when years later, I now know that the Amiga was really the second generation Amiga and the C64 was the first generation of the ST... )
But there all the computers set up, and people all talking about how cool their computers were, and swapping demos, etc.
Now come to present times, the user groups are more or less gone (I think there are still some occasional Linux User Groups), but they all have generic PCs, and with the exception of using a 'nerd' OS (which isn't so nerdy anymore) you just don't get that same vibe of friendship.
What we need is some sort of coding competition. Nokia would sponsor them for the Maemo and MeeGo platforms, I think A-Eon should try to sponsor some, you know maybe instead of giving away money, give away Amiga related stuff, shirts, mice, mousepads, something.
Or perhaps the Natami group. Just throwing out some ideas about the future development of our beloved platform.
slaapliedje
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i tell you what i've never seen thread hijacking like i see on this board.. it sux especially talking about windows 8 give me abreak
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:shakes head:
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nice setup. they all pal or some ntsc as well? is every amiga paired with a pc? I see 500's, 1200's and 600's.. no 2k/3k/4k?
is your text adventure going to be your first product?
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It's been my experience so far that you may as well just run PAL unless you're using a Video Toaster. I kept wondering why so many games wouldn't work with WHDload, but after I switched my A4000 to always boot into PAL, I can actually use my Amiga!
Now that I think about it, I wonder if that's why shapeshifter isn't all that happy...
Moar games!! (to stay on topic!)
slaapliedje
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Interesting office, How send my curriculum for work there? and the office the only are missing Amigas run Amiga OS 4.0 or 4.1.
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I don't think I'd be able to work at all in such a place :)
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Nice Amiga-ey office, we just need some pictures of people hard at work programming and pixelling and, err, .MODing. :-)
Nice to see the ol' '500 and '1200 chugging away. Hope you get an FPGAArcade too, to do some higher-end classic Amiga software!
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That aint an office, that's a space station!
Seriously though, keep up the good work!
I've moved on from programming in Amos to Dark Basic Professional, it's a shame that Amos was not cross platform compatible. I do recommend anyone who longs for the Amos days to seriously consider Dark Basic Professional.
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Hi everyone, thanks for the encouragement and support.
To those who have offered to help out with the Amiga Disk Swapping Network, thank you, perhaps I'll start a new thread for it where we can discuss the idea more and gather volunteers.
If anyone would like to help us with making or testing games, for now I'd suggest you join the Game Creator's Corner (http://www.amiga.org/forums/group.php?groupid=56) group until we can get a proper development forum set up.
We would like to move and avoid having cables on the ground eventually but for now we just lift our feet when we walk around.
We do plan on supporting the Natami and OS4 platforms, but we don't have the hardware so the porting would have to be taken care of by someone with the right systems. For now we're focusing mainly on classic Amigas for our games, although our ultimate goal is to make the engines open source and port everything to run on Aros and MorphOS, and maybe some games for Linux too. It all depends on the type of game. Since WinUAE comes with a working Kickstart replacement ROM now we should be able to bundle all classic Amiga games with WinUAE without any legal problems for easily installed and executed Windows versions of the games. To the end user they won't even notice the emulation once they've installed it, the game will just run from an icon and play.
Gilthanez, well spotted. In fact it's the high resolution version of Theme Park running through Shapeshifter!
I don't think there's much of a chance we'll be able to pick up abandoned games and finish them, although that is a lovely dream. I myself am only a beginner programmer, in fact before I started learning AmigaE late last year I had never had a single programming lesson or any experience coding before other than writing web pages in HTML. It would take an experienced programmer who knows a mainstream language like Assembly or C to help us to finish or port games, and unfortunately there just don't seem to be any people out there with the skills and the free time to help. For example, there is a very good one-on-one fighting game for the PC called Sango Fighter (http://www.sangofighter.com/). The current rights holders of the game have been in need of an Amiga programmer to port it to the A1200 and CD32 for several years, yet no one has ever stepped up to help them. The entire game is finished, but coded in x86 Assembly, so it would be quite a tough one to port, but it is a high quality commercial game.
All our Amigas are PAL. We tried to win an NTSC CD32 locally on eBay recently but some collector grabbed it (and relisted it at double the price he paid within a week of course). It would have been good to have a native NTSC system for testing purposes.
We don't have any A3000s or A4000s because we can't afford them, these are just three people's Amiga collections from our childhoods 'til now combined together in one room, and all of the towered PCs were built from parts found on the side of the road during a junk collection. Other computers, consoles and hardware components have been donated to me over the years which I have put to work here, including my Efika which was given to me to develop software for MorphOS. There are two dead A2000s here who had their batteries explode inside, some day we hope to afford to get them fixed if the damage isn't too bad.
Most of the monitors in here have multiple inputs, so two or more systems can be hooked up to each one using a variety of cords and adapters.
I don't know what our first product will be yet because there are a few projects going on at once. Perhaps it will be my text adventure, or maybe it will be a simple shoot em up or platform game. Our intention is to open-source all our code, but the graphics and sound will be copyrighted or protected since they're our own intellectual property. Some of our projects will be collaborative efforts with completely royalty-free graphics and sound too, so anyone would be welcome to modify them and contribute back. The games will generally be free downloads, but with the option to donate back to our developers, and we'd like to set up a system where people who donate over a certain amount receive a boxed, printed copy of the game in the mail, giving collectors more incentive to donate a little extra.
I'd like to show you my most recent investment, although I really should not have impulse-bought this with my part of the rent money. I just hope I can sell something on eBay by the end of the month to get it back, but it was such a good deal for only $249. They sold out of their stock of 120 units within about half an hour of opening the store, lucky I waited outside for an hour before the store opened, there ended up being hundreds of people lined up behind me.
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_A1200BigMonitor.JPG)
I hope to make some better demonstration videos for YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/AmigaCammy?feature=mhee#p/u/1/fhI60ahCvDc) now that I have a decent sized monitor to show.
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That is really f@cking cool Cammy!
I'm moving in! ;)
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I'm very impressed, Cammy. Really a very inspiring thing to see such an honest, grassroots effort. Nice to see all those Amigas set up and getting use.
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Our intention is to open-source all our code, but the graphics and sound will be copyrighted or protected since they're our own intellectual property.
Open source or not all work is copyrighted to the creator unless you sell the copyright, so you may be confusing things a little here. A copyright basically says I own everything about this legally and as such can re-issue different/new licences on it and so forth. Open source licences do not give away copyright but give away rights to code ownership, but not the ability to change the licence or anything not mentioned in it. Open sourcing is commendable but graphics and sounds also have "open source" licences so I'm surprised that you've not thought to use a Creative Commons licence except on things such as company logos and unique characters (latter debateable remember Codemaster's Dizzy?) to prevent plagiarism and so forth, but perhaps this is what you meant?
Some of our projects will be collaborative efforts with completely royalty-free graphics and sound too, so anyone would be welcome to modify them and contribute back. .
Cf. above, all the more reason for your company to give back those royalty free graphics and sounds. :)
The games will generally be free downloads, but with the option to donate back to our developers, and we'd like to set up a system where people who donate over a certain amount receive a boxed, printed copy of the game in the mail, giving collectors more incentive to donate a little extra.
Excellent approach IMHO - build up a user base, fans and content then gradually phase in a part paid for system. Me, I'm still stuck in the give stuff away phase :) Best of luck :)
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Royalty free Graphics? Meaning original?(i.e. not using a Mario Sprite?)
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how sweet.
but, tbh, I doubt it will be profitable. there are less and less 'Amigists' in world.
and Australia is far for most of us so postage is high.
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@Cammy
Great news. I wish you all the best...
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how sweet.
but, tbh, I doubt it will be profitable. there are less and less 'Amigists' in world.
and Australia is far for most of us so postage is high.
Don't spoil the dream. :) If Cammy's Company™ can tread water long enough as hobbyist it's on good foundations for when (if?) the Amiga makes it's X1000 comeback (I'm assuming just "true" lineage, mass market here).
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Open source or not all work is copyrighted to the creator unless you sell the copyright, so you may be confusing things a little here. A copyright basically says I own everything about this legally and as such can re-issue different/new licences on it and so forth. Open source licences do not give away copyright but give away rights to code ownership, but not the ability to change the licence or anything not mentioned in it. Open sourcing is commendable but graphics and sounds also have "open source" licences so I'm surprised that you've not thought to use a Creative Commons licence except on things such as company logos and unique characters (latter debateable remember Codemaster's Dizzy?) to prevent plagiarism and so forth, but perhaps this is what you meant?
Cf. above, all the more reason for your company to give back those royalty free graphics and sounds. :)
Excellent approach IMHO - build up a user base, fans and content then gradually phase in a part paid for system. Me, I'm still stuck in the give stuff away phase :) Best of luck :)
You're right, I might as well just give up.
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how sweet.
but, tbh, I doubt it will be profitable. there are less and less 'Amigists' in world.
and Australia is far for most of us so postage is high.
You're right too. I am now giving up on it all. I was only in it for the money, obviously.
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You can't give up.
Because i already made space on the shelves for my collectors editions of your companies games. It would be a shame if that one hour of hard work building those shelves was wasted, eh? :)
- Gil
P.S.: Oh, and just wrap up the games in an Emulator and sell them in packs on steam for that steady cashflow to keep everything running. Independent games are 'the thing' at the moment, and its not hard delivering preconfigured UAE profiles. Dont know how much the licenses cost to use UAE and the kick roms, tho. Just an idea. I mean, I buy pretty much everything that is >10$ and says "indy game" ...
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Heya Gil, thanks for the encouragement, don't worry I was kind of being sarcastic, I'll never give up and I am happy to keep working for free. The donation system would really just be to reimburse any freelance artists and musicians we need to pay for their work, and to help cover server and publishing costs. I don't intend on trying to rip anyone off or ever get ahead in life, I'm happy being stuck at the bottom earning nothing.
You are very right about bundling the games with UAE for Windows users, it's certainly our intention. Thankfully there is no need to pay any licensing costs anymore because WinUAE comes with a working Kickstart replacement now.
This means anyone can use an Amiga to program or create a game, and they can sell it as a Windows-executable package. And emulated Amiga games tend to run smoother than Flash games on the same hardware. I think it's a great opportunity to fund Amiga game development, and we will simply be marketing them as indy games for Windows, not mentioning Amiga everywhere in case it turns some kids off.
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Let me know if I can help you with anything. I've worked on such projects myself a few years ago and know that it is hard to get all the pieces together :) I can offer you support in the audio department (I have a micro studio in my basement, and we have a big studio in the company i work for) - however, I guess for Amiga games, it will be MOD or MIDI rather than "real instruments" ;) Also, I can deliver some 3D models. Wait, 3D models?? For Amiga? Well, I'am thinking prerendered backgrounds, and other still images, like title or intro/extro screens. I might have the time to help out with something small every now and then.
Also, if you need Webspace or Voice Chat Servers for meetings, FTP, SVN, .. I host a lot of stuff for projects like yours, for free. Also, no advertisement banners or any blargh like that...
Let me know if I can help out with something :)
KR,
- Gil
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Follow your dream Cammy.
A good office but missed the photos of workers, including yours.
Regards
Jose
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You're right too. I am now giving up on it all. I was only in it for the money, obviously.
"although I really should not have impulse-bought this with my part of the rent money. I just hope I can sell something on eBay by the end of the month to get it back, but it was such a good deal for only $249."
I just hope you don't one day regret the time and money spent on it.
good luck.
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Thanks Gil, thanks Jose.
Gil, any help at all is appreciated. We still have a lot of things to organise with the forum and site, after the forum is up we can start discussing which projects need help.
Jose, I think people are sick of seeing photos of me by now, so I make sure I'm not in them anymore.
orange, this was an extremely good deal for a monitor this size, and an opportunity I couldn't miss. I'm sure I can recoup the money I spent on it, and then I'll be back in the clear. I would have regretted letting the offer pass me by more than I regret temporarily putting myself in debt.
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Gil, any help at all is appreciated. We still have a lot of things to organise with the forum and site, after the forum is up we can start discussing which projects need help.
Do you mean you already are working on the forums, or you still need forums? I'am hosting a lot of Forums already, setting up another one probably takes me a few minutes and some brain power to set up the automatic backups and give Administrative rights to the correct people ;)
Let me know if you want me to host something for you. All you'd have to bring yourself is the domain name, I got enough servers.
Please be aware that, since I host on a non-profit-just-because-I-like-hosting-stuff policy, I will not guarantee anything, like 100% uptime or no data loss ever. I provide a service, I do that for 15 years already without any problems, but it's more a hobby and good-will thing. I guess that is understandable :)
If you wish you can give me more information (or ask if you have questions) per PM. If you do not have a domain name so far, I got some reserved that I can let you use some subdomains of.
- Gil
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I'm confused.
How did this:
Excellent approach IMHO - build up a user base, fans and content then gradually phase in a part paid for system. Me, I'm still stuck in the give stuff away phase :) Best of luck :)
and this:
Don't spoil the dream. :) If Cammy's Company™ can tread water long enough as hobbyist it's on good foundations for when (if?) the Amiga makes it's X1000 comeback (I'm assuming just "true" lineage, mass market here).
Equal:
You're right, I might as well just give up.
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As you've acknowledged it is a company not an organisation that would suggest you need a cashflow long run? Others and me have suggested it is good to start off hobbyist, a business with +ve cash flow can come out of it in the long run. I don't see what is wrong with that? If it's actual a hobby short term you have nothing to lose (but then you know this) so again I'm not sure where the sarcastic self-doubt came in.
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I think I missed something, why the sudden escalation? Sometimes I have the feeling I miss things between the lines that make people upset.
- Gil
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[Sigh] Why does everything have to go down hill, especially when a productive and trusted member of the community posts a thread? Can't we be a bit more civilized?
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I think I missed something, why the sudden escalation? Sometimes I have the feeling I miss things between the lines that make people upset.
- Gil
You're not the only one. I'm guessing it's because he's being a pessimist?
@Cammy where is your office located? It looks like someones garage. Is it yours? :)
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Don't worry Cam, I believe the majority of the community adores you, your work, and all the help you've given. Just ignore those to miserable to get over their own negative selves.
Looks like y'all had a lot of fun setting that up, and it's good to see Amigas being used rather than collecting dust.
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You're right too. I am now giving up on it all. I was only in it for the money, obviously.
It still baffles me how many people in this community cannot wrap their heads around any criteria for success other than "make a lot of money." Jeez, you'd think they'd be grateful anybody's still paying the platform any attention...
Here's hoping for some fine releases that are fun to develop, and maybe a little cash on the side ;)
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I'm sorry there have just been a few misunderstandings here and I didn't want it to get any worse.
Underground Arcade is not a company, I don't know why Tension assumed it was but I retorted simply by telling him the name of our group. We are just a few Amiga enthusiasts living our dreams, we're not in it to get rich from trying to profit from the small remaining Amiga market, although I don't think it's as bleak as some people think it is. Our plans go far beyond simply producing games, we're working on an Aros/Workbench distribution which will be bundled with our app-store/software-center style program which will make it easier for Amiga developers to promote their new software (all non-profit, helpful and happy before any trolls start throwing around assumptions). Think something similar to AmiKit or Icaros Desktop, but both the Aros and Workbench versions will have a consistent look and feel, and be set up as similar as possible, modern and accessible.
I have to repeat again, I am NOT doing this because I'm trying to rip people off or make money. This is not a scam. I am not trying to scam my friends!!! Please don't assume this is all some shifty plan to rip people off. It's a selfless endeavor to help the entire Amiga community, and anyone is welcome to join our cause. We have no money behind us, we can't pay employees, we're all unemployed ourselves which just gives us the time to focus on working for free.
As for this office, it is in the downstairs area of the townhouse we are renting. There are three bedrooms upstairs where we sleep and have our own personal stuff, but we ripped up the crappy old carpet and tiled the lounge and dining area to create one big office space, with a very cozy DVD-watching corner in the front. It's not our garage, because I think it wouldn't be too sensible to tile a garage of a place we're renting, the next tenants might want to drive a car in there! So our garage just has vinyl flooring and false wood paneling around the sides, along with the pool table, poker table, mini jukebox, mini pinball machines, shooting gallery, console cabinet and a couch.
I'm sorry for anyone who has seen it before:
(http://home.exetel.com.au/~amiga/GamesRoom004.jpg)
(http://home.exetel.com.au/~amiga/GamesRoom003.jpg)
(http://home.exetel.com.au/~amiga/GamesRoomCammy.jpg)
(http://home.exetel.com.au/amiga/GamesRoomConsolesL.jpg)
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What a great place to live, and not just because of the presence of your good self, especially if you're wearing very tight outfits!
Good luck with the Amiga project!
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Its neat that you can dedicate all this time to such things, the majority of us (including me) have little time to dedicate to such projects. Lets see, you have K-9 (from Dr Who), the super scope, a Dreamcast, a Mega Drive/32x, Sega Master, N64, SNES, NES, Playstation, Amiga CD32.
And you are playing Street Fighter, not sure which one, with an arcade pad. Nice setup.
Is Australia PAL or NTSC?(I would assume the former but then again I thought HK was PAL too, it isn't FTR.)
And you mentioned you all were unemployed, do you collect unemployment benefits (if that exists there?)
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Its neat that you can dedicate all this time to such things, the majority of us (including me) have little time to dedicate to such projects. Lets see, you have K-9 (from Dr Who), the super scope, a Dreamcast, a Mega Drive/32x, Sega Master, N64, SNES, NES, Playstation, Amiga CD32.
And you are playing Street Fighter, not sure which one, with an arcade pad. Nice setup.
Is Australia PAL or NTSC?(I would assume the former but then again I thought HK was PAL too, it isn't FTR.)
And you mentioned you all were unemployed, do you collect unemployment benefits (if that exists there?)
Australia is PAL
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A flop house for a bunch if jobless old school retro tech and Amiga junkies, artists even!
Ya Cammy my respect has been raised a few more notches!
Nice ass btw! Ha ha! ;) (respectfully)
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Those pinball machines are cool. Pinnies give the best gaming experience on the planet! My fav is the Addams Family. Ahhhhhh... all those lost hours (and coins) lost playing this masterpiece :rolleyes:
(http://www.arcade-history.com/images/game/5182_1.png)
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Nice to see you guys are still kicking it! I haven't had much time to catch up with anyone since the old forums.
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You're having fun with it, that's all that matters, Cammy. Best of luck with it.
For all the naysayers - in this day and age, any "indie" developer has a tough road ahead financially, Amiga developers are doomed if they are chasing dollar signs. Cammy is a smart girl only looking to further the scene and has no delusions about making millions, and we should be giving her and the other persons involved encouragement in spades.
I have a lot of respect for people that follow their heart and do things for the love of what they are doing, and that's what has kept the Amiga scene going.
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Hay Cammy the envy that you give me, so much spread to have your computers, arcade machines, PinBalls, etc. I live in an apartment with little free space.
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I know of high bandwidth full access control webhosting and a free domain registration site. I'm sure I could pull it together for free :)
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Micro$haft will never be ahead, hopefully ever again. I'm hoping after Jobs dies Wozniak will return, he is the real genius.
XP/2000 (same core) are the only OS from MS worth using. Vista......7.......8 all bloatware (18GB!) and no more advanced than what a service pack would do.
Example- Win7 full screened apps are transparent causing massive waste of CPU/GPU resource if you have 8 apps "open". Dumb coding and design = post XP OS products all FAIL.
Can't comment on OSX.
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You're right too. I am now giving up on it all. I was only in it for the money, obviously.
Write disks/print media via local contacts after distributing info digitally. No postage problems then :)
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Can't comment on OSX.
10.4 seems to run pretty handily on a 1GHz system with 1GB RAM and a 64MB video card (had to put it on a recycle-center rescue because OS9 wouldn't work :/ Oh well.) Can't speak for any later versions, though.
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(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_A1200BigMonitor.JPG)
I hope to make some better demonstration videos for YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/AmigaCammy?feature=mhee#p/u/1/fhI60ahCvDc) now that I have a decent sized monitor to show.
Wow, is that an Indivision AGA HighGfx driver or something?
+1 for EMPY GUI :)
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Thanks for the extra encouragement everyone.
Digiman, yep, that is pretty much the plan when it comes to distribution. I'm sure we can find contacts in other continents willing to help publish or stock our games for quicker delivery.
I know the pinball machines and all that may seem impressive, but each piece was hunted down for a real bargain, and they're not full-sized arcade machines, just lucky kid's toys. The cocktail arcade cabinet was picked up at a local auction and has no board or screen in it, it's just a broken down old space filler that the cat enjoys sleeping inside.
Sig999, I have seen what you've been working on in your blog and I'm really impressed. I hope you will be around when we get our new development forum started, it won't specifically be for Underground Arcade this time, but a special Amiga project and development forum. Hopefully it won't ever go down like our last one did, without notice. :(
Karlos, yep I'm running in HD720 mode through the Indivision now, which is 1280x720. I took a screenshot and put it in the gallery to show how it looks, it's nice having the extra horizontal space to use up. Check out my Shell. ;)
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Cammy
That is an awesome shot of your a1200 and screen! Looks super clear and colorful. Can you please give us some tips on what you have configured there palette wise and everything? It looks super cool.
Also, about that arcade cabient, why not get an old CRT in there and a cheap x86 motherboard and run MAME on it?
Also what screenbar and launcher are you using? looks cool.
I see you have amp playing mp3? What settings to get to work on 030?
thx
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Hi, the palette is a special MUI/MagicWB-compliant, OCS-compatible, MagicTV-compatible, 16 colour palette designed to avoid some AGA hardware bugs caused by certain shades, and generally remaps images better than any other 16 colour palette known (including the RiscOS, MacOS, Windows and Arne 16 colour palettes) locked with FullPalette. My good friend Rebel worked for years adjusting and calculating it to be this perfect, it is such a shame Commodore never thought of something like this, Workbench flies in 16 colours and it looks quite nice.
The window frames and gadgets are customised with VisualPrefs, and the textures are added with Birdie2000. The task bar program is called Workbench2000, and it's a pain in the butt to configure but it's simply the best one I have found that works on a non-RTG system. The fact that you can "minimise" any window on the Workbench makes it one of the most useful tools I have used, it's something you can't normally do. This is different to iconifying, where the whole program changes its state and removes itself from the screen, Workbench2000 is clever in that it knows that the Workbench desktop is just a backdrop window, so it sends "minimised" windows behind it temporarily, so they're out of sight, revealing the desktop, but can be brought back to the front by clicking the tab again. It's a lot quicker than iconifying and uniconifying programs, especially when all you want to do is quickly see or click on something on your desktop. I used a Hex Editor to change the "Start" button to a "Cammy" button, since it has to be another 5 character word. The only bad thing is it takes a little while to load up since it preloads all the images.
We picked up that arcade cabinet intending to turn it into a MAME machine, but once we got it home and inspected it we decided against it, the whole thing is rotten and would just need too much work to get into a decent state again. Instead we're just going to build a custom cocktail cabinet from scratch and stick an Amiga 1200 inside there with a wireless card, internal monitor as well as video-out ports, internal joysticks as well as external 9pin ports connected to joystick switchers so you can plug in a pad and sit back on the couch and use the TV rather than hunching over the cabinet and using its internal screen and joysticks. That way a mouse could also be plugged in so we can browse the web and download games from the couch.
The player I'm using is EaglePlayer, and it's just playing Mods, no MP3s on my Amiga sorry. I do have some WAVs that were converted from MP3s which sound great, and don't hog the CPU (but they do take up more space, which doesn't matter when I just store them on cheap SD cards).
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I hope you will be around when we get our new development forum started, it won't specifically be for Underground Arcade this time, but a special Amiga project and development forum.
Ooh, the dev forum is coming back? Glee!
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Thanks for the extra encouragement everyone.
Digiman, yep, that is pretty much the plan when it comes to distribution. I'm sure we can find contacts in other continents willing to help publish or stock our games for quicker delivery.
Why don't you talk to Valve, see about selling stuff on Steam?
Indie games are huge right now and if you hit that market, even if people had to track down ROM images and WinUAE to run it you could find yourself hip-deep in dough.
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@Cammy
er, you mean 16-bit color?
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nope, orange! they are 16 colours. Cammy is highly specialized in this sort of optimization. (like Karlos pointed out, is through an Indivision AGA HighGfx mode)
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Cammy
Thanks for being so descriptive :) Very nice.
@ Framiga
I'm pretty sure she means as she says 16 color.
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WOW look great!!!!! i might actually have to visit you!!!
I am in the process of doing my own room, just got to finish the A4000 upgrades then fit a A500 and a C64 next to my A1200.
Speaking of disks I am in the process of going thru the thousands of Amiga disks i have to work out which ones are working and not working and then which ones are ok and which one should be put into the bin. Let me know if you want any disks (I also have most WB and can easily put them back onto floppies)?
Where are you living now?
Can't wait for your first release!! :D
IF you need any PC hardware or CRT PM me i have a storeroom worth as well as some older PC's.
Let me know if i can be of help (I would say i would help you with your c programming but haven't touch that for 10 years now.. :()
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O and that Backdrop looks Awesome!!!! i want one for my miggy's!!!! :D
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If I lived close by, I would hang around all day.
I miss the time where I was a member of a local Amiga club. We didnt have alot of puters, but we had enough :)
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Karlos, yep I'm running in HD720 mode through the Indivision now, which is 1280x720. I took a screenshot and put it in the gallery to show how it looks, it's nice having the extra horizontal space to use up. Check out my Shell. ;)
I forgot just how good low-colour workbench screens could look, especially with the right dithering. Many moons ago, I ran a 16-colour high-res laced workbench with a tool called "MagicTV" which allocated extra bit planes and did some palette trickery with them to reduce flicker. In combination with the natural softening you get from an old CRT, it was hard to tell that it was only 16 colours. I used to lock the whole palette down and pre-dither images in PPaint for use as backgrounds. Happy days...
And yes, that console configuration does look a trifle familiar :)
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Thanks for the extra encouragement everyone.
Digiman, yep, that is pretty much the plan when it comes to distribution. I'm sure we can find contacts in other continents willing to help publish or stock our games for quicker delivery.
Karlos, yep I'm running in HD720 mode through the Indivision now, which is 1280x720. I took a screenshot and put it in the gallery to show how it looks, it's nice having the extra horizontal space to use up. Check out my Shell. ;)
Any ETA on the distribution? I recall seeing forum posts about it quite a while back, and it looks way better and lighter than any of the other ones I've seen (AmigaSYS is one of my favorites, but WAY too heavy on the resources.) Currently I'm using ClassicWB with OS3.9, plus boing bag 3&4 (which by the way adds a lot of speed!)
I too have an Indivision card, though the RTG (Radeon 9250 through a Mediator) is seriously faster than AGA at 256 colors. I probably should drop that to 16 colors when in AGA.
Looking forward to the distribution and any new games!
slaapliedje
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Any ETA on the distribution?
Two more weeks! ;)
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Time for the AmiPad!
http://icontainprotects.com/
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Two more weeks! ;)
:roflmao:
Was that this forum that everyone used to say two more weeks? I seem to recall the Matrox User Forums back in the day, "Drivers are coming out!" "When?" "Two more weeks!"
They even started using the TM symbol. Maybe I'm remembering that wrong though!
slaapliedje
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http://icontainprotects.com/
You know, it's a shame that they are crap Android tablets.
Now mind you I'm not a big fan of Apple products (in fact I hate them more than Android) but Android is not Amiga and it's not even a proper GNU/Linux distribution. It's basically JavaVM/Linux, and that makes me sad.
icontain should use MeeGo and AmiWM :D That would seriously be cool!
http://umlautllama.com/projects/amiwm/
slaapliedje
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"two more weeks" is actually a quote from a Bplan representative and was frequently used in the Morphos crowd as a joke. It seems that a lot of other amiga users have adopted it as a joke.
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I'm a MorphOS user also. I have my Efika, Aros PC and A1200 all hooked up to the same monitor. :) Speaking of which, here's another photo of it:
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_LargeMonitorOldNewAmiga.JPG)
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I'm a MorphOS user also. I have my Efika, Aros PC and A1200 all hooked up to the same monitor. :) Speaking of which, here's another photo of it:
Wow, is that on AGA?!! Or do you have a graphics card shoe-horned in there?
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Yep, it's AGA, but using the IndivisionAGA as a scandoubler/flickerfixer to get a rock solid 1280x720 display out of it. And it's very usable and responsive.
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You know, it's a shame that they are crap Android tablets.
Now mind you I'm not a big fan of Apple products (in fact I hate them more than Android) but Android is not Amiga and it's not even a proper GNU/Linux distribution. It's basically JavaVM/Linux, and that makes me sad.
icontain should use MeeGo and AmiWM :D That would seriously be cool!
http://umlautllama.com/projects/amiwm/
slaapliedje
OT, but I've read that an upcoming version of Android is planned to use C++ instead of Java. I'm not sure how they will fit this into their current model of having separate VMs.
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Presumably they'll just develop a C++ compiler for Dalvik?
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OT, but I've read that an upcoming version of Android is planned to use C++ instead of Java. I'm not sure how they will fit this into their current model of having separate VMs.
You already can write Android apps in C/C++.
http://developer.android.com/sdk/ndk/overview.html
There is also a port of the Qt C++ API for Android.
http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/28/necessitas/
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Guys please dont degenerate the thread talking about Android. Lets stay focused on the Topic plzzzzz
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We all have AADD (Amiga Attention Deficit Disorder!)
Agree with trying to keep this on topic, which is why the so called 'Amiga' tablets, should be at the very least something that has an Amiga like look and feel, if not just a lauching platform for UAE.
Though you'd need some sort of pointing device and keyboard for a good Amiga tablet. Port over AmigaOS 4.x or 3.x and we'd be golden. Or given that they are closed source, port over Aros!
I would buy an Aros tablet in a heartbeat!
slaapliedje
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I'm a MorphOS user also. I have my Efika, Aros PC and A1200 all hooked up to the same monitor. :) Speaking of which, here's another photo of it:
Seriously nice Workbench Cammy!
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You already can write Android apps in C/C++.
http://developer.android.com/sdk/ndk/overview.html
There is also a port of the Qt C++ API for Android.
http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/28/necessitas/
Which is great, because Java is a steaming pile of aids and fail. Do not get me started on Java...
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Reading this thread is inspiring me to get back into the Amiga properly. I'm going to look up Backbone (I have tried programming many times and it's just not my thing).
I'm just starting up my own tech support company as a side line to my day job, to build up a client base, so I'm going to clear out the spare room as a workshop and may JUST find room for my A1200 DIY tower. :-) (last time I had it out of the loft, I got it networked - it also has an HD, CD Rom, and 1230 MK IV with 32 MB RAM).
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Which is great, because Java is a steaming pile of aids and fail. Do not get me started on Java...
OMG!!!
Karlos and I totally agree on something!!! :confused::confused::confused:
:roflmao:
desiv
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Cammy
Do you think you could please take a screengrab of your WB in that 16 colour palette and please put it up on Aorg? I"d love to study it in hires. ;)
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Sure, I have some already in the gallery, I took this one after I got my new monitor and started using 1280x720:
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_1280x720Workbench.PNG)
And here's an earlier screenshot from a few weeks before, when I was using my old monitor and 1024x768:
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_WorkbenchAmIRC.png)
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I'm a MorphOS user also. I have my Efika, Aros PC and A1200 all hooked up to the same monitor. :) Speaking of which, here's another photo of it:
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_LargeMonitorOldNewAmiga.JPG)
Hey Cammy, great photos and what a sweet nerd cave! I'm very jealous. Where can I find the image you use as a desktop background in this photo? It's so lovely and cosy, I'd like to use it myself.
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It's a wonderful image isn't it! You can read about it and download it from the artist's website here - http://interstation3d.com/portfolio/new_gallery/16bit.html
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AMAZING !! Makes me wish I lived in Australia :-)
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It's a wonderful image isn't it! You can read about it and download it from the artist's website here - http://interstation3d.com/portfolio/new_gallery/16bit.html
Thanks!
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Wow. This is amazing.... Makes me want to go back to the Skidrow days..... producing 'Trained' Games... looks like my cousins old set up with Brain Bud etc!!
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Sure, I have some already in the gallery, I took this one after I got my new monitor and started using 1280x720:
You can do an amazing amount with a well-chosen palette, a good dither algorithm, and a sufficiently high resolution.
(I need to take a stab at implementing Atkinson dither (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dither#Algorithms) for paletted image conversion sometime...it produces such lovely results in B&W, it'd be interesting to see if it works as well in color.)
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It's a wonderful image isn't it! You can read about it and download it from the artist's website here - http://interstation3d.com/portfolio/new_gallery/16bit.html
Wow, that is a gorgeous image! Thanks!
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OMG!!!
Karlos and I totally agree on something!!! :confused::confused::confused:
:roflmao:
desiv
Why, what do we usually argue about?
:confused:
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It's a wonderful image isn't it! You can read about it and download it from the artist's website here - http://interstation3d.com/portfolio/new_gallery/16bit.html
Thank you very much for the link :)
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One of our first ideas was Halloween Nightmare, which we made a small, single level demo of a few years ago using Backbone and rushed it out in a couple of weeks (from concept to upload) so it was on Aminet by Halloween. The game will be far different to this crappy old demo, but it might give you a bit of an idea of the kind of games we'd like to make for Amigas (I'm really sorry to anyone who has already played this): http://aminet.net/package/game/demo/HalloweenNightmareDemo
Just tried it on my WinUAE setup and it's plays quite well. Very nice graphics and animation. The music is adequate and sort of catchy. The game's kids literally fly but that's ok :) Was it programmed in AmigaE?
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@ptek
IIRC, the prototype was made with a game editor called "Backbone" that was, in turn, programmed in AmosPro.
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No, no, I'm not good enough to program platform games yet! That old demo was put together using the game creation software Backbone (as Samurai Crow says).
With Backbone you can create platformers and run & guns like Ruff & Tumble or Superfrog, as well as overhead shooters like Alien Breed or The Chaos Engine.
You can download Backbone for free from Aminet here:
http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/Backbone_Full
http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/Backbone_Upd
http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/Backbone_Key
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/5087/1_Backbone.png)
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(http://home.exetel.com.au/~amiga/GamesRoomCammy.jpg)
what is this porn pic ?
can anyone explain please what kind of office is this?
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/sigh
I don't see where the word pr0n fits here :angry:
Apparently you're not familiar with Cammy and her awesome costumes :)
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That's just me in our games room, it has black lights so everything glows, but in this photo someone was shining their car headlights at my back. I was dressed up as the character "Cammy" from Street Fighter, here's how she normally looks:
(http://media02.hongkiat.com/street-fighter-tribute/Cammy_by_Omar_Dogan.jpg)
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I just love the way Cammy never gets offended, awesome, don't ever leave us (and do that calender dammit).
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Cammy the censoring came here!, it is more easy to explain everyone in their games room dress as everyone want, I for example dress with military uniform when I play Battle Field 1942 (PC version). The americans that they see the sin in all the sides, I cheer up and it keeps on dressing like you favorite personage of the video games, and publishing the photos from your games room and you.
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I for example dress with military uniform when I play Battle Field 1942.
Awesome. I dress in character when I play Chaos Engine. Oh, no wait, I always dress like that. XD
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Awesome. I dress in character when I play Chaos Engine. Oh, no wait, I always dress like that. XD
Well, fantastic, you dress as you want to play or not.
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@LaserBack
Where you see porn?
I do not understand these kinds of statements.
I only see a pretty girl with a game costume.
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I for example dress with military uniform when I play Battle Field 1942 (PC version).
Pix or it didn't happen. Seriously though, that's kind of weird...
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/sigh
I don't see where the word pr0n fits here :angry:
Apparently you're not familiar with Cammy and her awesome costumes :)
I'm not familar with those bad costumes of calling the attention of men with indecent clothing
those bad habits are for chats like badoo.. but not for Amiga.org
Now she believes that she is a divinity from japanese anime..I think that is going crazy loi
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I'm not familar with those bad costumes of calling the attention of men with indecent clothing
those bad habits are for chats like badoo.. but not for Amiga.org
Now she believes that she is a divinity from japanese anime..I think that is going crazy loi
Lets hope some of her pictures don't find their way into one of Templario's inappropriate games.
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I'm not familar with those bad costumes of calling the attention of men with indecent clothing
those bad habits are for chats like badoo.. but not for Amiga.org
Now she believes that she is a divinity from japanese anime..I think that is going crazy loi
Dude, this ain't the 15th century.
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It is kind of weird for a young woman to post pictures of herself half naked on a board predominately populated by older men. Or not perhaps. In any case it probably would be preferable to not have content like that scrolling up the screen as the wife pops in.
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My wife's just like, "Hey, cool cosplay."
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I cant see any problem with those pictures, she is not naked, yes she is nice to look at.
I would like to see her do some high kicks though. lol... And I bet most people in here, really dont want to see me do them, especially not in spandex.
Any way, its awesome, that some one still try to do so much for the amiga.
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I'm not familar with those bad costumes of calling the attention of men with indecent clothing
those bad habits are for chats like badoo.. but not for Amiga.org
Says who? I think it works quite nicely here, what with our obsession with products of the early '90s...
Dude, this ain't the 15th century.
Of course not. If it were, people might be less oversensitive about this stuff. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fouquet_Madonna.jpg)
It is kind of weird for a young woman to post pictures of herself half naked on a board predominately populated by older men.
You have some rather restrictive definitions of "half naked..." I've seen pedestrians less covered than that, and I don't even live in a particularily free-and-easy part of the US like San Francisco or New Orleans.
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It is kind of weird for a young woman to post pictures of herself half naked on a board predominately populated by older men. Or not perhaps. In any case it probably would be preferable to not have content like that scrolling up the screen as the wife pops in.
Bloody hell, that outfit appears to be equivalent to flesh-coloured leggings (with electric blue zap) and a swimming cozzie. There's barely any skin showing. Sure, it's very figure hugging, but so what. Have you ever been to the swimming pool or beach?
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@commodorejohn
Thank you, you made me laugh.
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@Cammy, SamuraiCrow
Interesting the Backbone thing. Not exactly programming but still an interesting way for creating stuff, on a more high level approach. A different degree of freedom. Impressive the role of AMOS on the homebrew scene once more.
BTW classifying the photo as "p0rn" is also for me something incomprehensive.
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Dam,I have to go out and buy a new calendar....
Dude, this ain't the 15th century.
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Dude, this ain't the 15th century.
Unfortunately, the horizon of some people is a circle with the radius 0, and they call that their "point of view" ....
Can't see anything naughty in this thread. Except that picture of the naked baby boy linked above :P Oh noes! Call the intarwebz police!
Stay frosty.
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