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AuthorTopic: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.2 after updating MUI to 4.0  (Read 2410 times)

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Offline F1Lupo

Hi guys, had iBrowse 2.5.2 running my A4000 using MUI 3.8..just updated  MUI to 4.0 as read somewhere iBrowse works better with it and now I get immediate system crash….tried reinstalling the 2.5.2 update but same thing…is it something in envarc..prefs?? I also noticed in YAM the fonts are all messed up but no system crash etc..
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also at startup getting MUI warning popup 'Poseidon Popup provider' needing 3200 bytes stack but where to find it?
Any ideas?
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Online Matt_H

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.2 after updating MUI to 4.0
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2020, 07:01:26 PM »
My understanding is that MUI4 for 68K is somewhat unpolished/unstable. I wonder if you'd have better luck with MUI5 which has been refined a bit further? There are almost no user-level differences between 4 and 5, although I don't know what's changed internally.

But before you try that, I remember years ago when MorphOS moved from MUI3.9 to 4.0. There are significant differences in how 4.0 handles prefs settings, and loading in a prefs file from 3.9 was leading to all sorts of bizarre rendering and layout errors. So it's possible MUI4 is choking on your IBrowse MUI3 settings so badly that it's causing a crash.

To verify, delete or temporarily rename ENVARC:mui (I think that's the path...don't have my Amiga in front of me to check) and reboot, which should reset all your MUI settings. Hopefully the defaults will get your programs back to normal, but you'll have to go through and manually set all your MUI preferences again.
 
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Offline F1Lupo

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.2 after updating MUI to 4.0
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2020, 09:45:08 PM »
@ Matt-H
already tried updating MUI to 5.0 but same issue..got rid of Poseidon popup screen issue...deleted ENVARC mui entries and same issues? I'm now getting immediate system crashes even when I try to do anything in MUI5.0?
« Last Edit: April 24, 2020, 09:50:08 PM by F1Lupo »
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Online Matt_H

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.2 after updating MUI to 4.0
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2020, 06:40:30 AM »
Darn, sorry that didn’t work. Is it still crashing even if you load the MUI global prefs program (from the MUI: path)? I wonder if the global prefs file or the ENVARC:MUI path needs to exist for things to work. Did the install archive come with a default global prefs file? Only other thing I can think of is that 5.0 still has severe stability problems. Beyond that, I’m out of ideas :(
 

Offline don27dog

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.2 after updating MUI to 4.0
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2020, 01:02:25 PM »
Snoopdos and see what is causing crash
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Offline F1Lupo

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.2 after updating MUI to 4.0
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2020, 07:57:07 AM »
Snoopdos and see what is causing crash
ah time flies & getting back to this issue & indeed SnoopDos is our friend  ;) ...so last thing it picks up before system crashes is Tooltypes HEIGHT & SPEED failed to load also StatusBar.info failed to read, Navigation.info failed to read & Picasso96/emulation.library failed to load...so lots of stuff to check out..
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Offline F1Lupo

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.5
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2021, 06:00:39 PM »
wow a year to the date of my initial post here and still same problem! I've been using Netsurf on my A4000 all this time with no issue.
so updated my A4000 to OS3.2 with real roms and just installed iBrowse 2.5.5 and also latest AmiSSL 4.11 but still getting immediate system crash ??? ??? >:( also reinstalled MUI3.9

SnoopDOS picks up the following FAILED items before system crashes:
  • -IBrowse/i
  • -IBrowse/H
  • -IBrowse/.
  • -screennotify.library
  • -env:mui/IBROWSE.prefs
  • -tsocket.library
  • -miami.library
  • -GetVar MagicWB
  • -ToolType HEIGHT
  • -ToolType SPEED
  • -Lock StatusBar.info
  • -Open StatusBar.info
« Last Edit: October 30, 2021, 06:39:35 PM by F1Lupo »
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Online Matt_H

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.5
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2021, 08:45:32 PM »
Is there a Guru error number or does it just lock up?

Some guesses:
1. Fall back to MUI 3.8, which is the most stable version for 68k.
2. SnoopDos output ends as IBrowse is attempting to open images. What version (format/depth) of the images and transfer animation did you install? I wonder if this is actually an image datatype crashing. Check your datatype versions/settings. Could the image datatype be running out of RAM?
« Last Edit: October 30, 2021, 08:46:49 PM by Matt_H »
 

Offline F1Lupo

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.5
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2021, 09:37:39 PM »
Is there a Guru error number or does it just lock up?

Some guesses:
1. Fall back to MUI 3.8, which is the most stable version for 68k.
2. SnoopDos output ends as IBrowse is attempting to open images. What version (format/depth) of the images and transfer animation did you install? I wonder if this is actually an image datatype crashing. Check your datatype versions/settings. Could the image datatype be running out of RAM?
no guru just IBrowse opens up at main screen for few seconds then bang system resets
1. how would I make sure all MUI files are fully deleted? Or would I just install 3.8 over existing 3.9
2. don't recall but will re-install WarpDT data types as I think OS3.2 overwrote them
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Offline F1Lupo

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.2 after updating MUI to 4.0
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2021, 10:52:32 PM »
so:1- installed newest WarpDT datatypes...tried and same thing. 2- installed MUI3.8..tried and same thing..doubt it's a ram issue since checked and picked some easy going settings..no 24 bit etc stuff and my CS-MKIII has got 132MB onboard..my 1200 has only 32MB and is running iBrowse just fine go figure
wow so back to using Netsurf I guess... :o
« Last Edit: October 30, 2021, 10:55:11 PM by F1Lupo »
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Online Matt_H

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.2 after updating MUI to 4.0
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2021, 12:48:45 AM »
Really strange.
Now that you're back on MUI 3.8, are your MUI settings back to default? (delete/rename the MUI stuff in ENVARC: and reboot)
IBrowse settings back to default? (delete/rename ibrowse.prefs or whatever the file is called)
Tried fresh installing IBrowse? (install to new directory instead of overwriting a previous install - I think not all files get replaced on an update)
NList up to date?
IBrowse comes with its own .mcc for the cache explorer - try replacing that manually (the installer will skip it if it already exists).

Anything else noteworthy in your system? Hacks, patches, drivers, commodities? Zorro cards?
 
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Offline F1Lupo

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.2 after updating MUI to 4.0
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2021, 08:25:41 PM »
@ Matt_H


tried everything you noted and was hopeful that the latest NList files would do the trick but alas still same issue  :'(


Other cards on my Zorro slots are my X-Surf-100 and MNT VA2000/CX RTG boards.
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Online Matt_H

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.2 after updating MUI to 4.0
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2021, 03:54:00 AM »
X-Surf drivers up to date? VA2000 drivers/firmware up-to-date? Latest P96?

This is a really weird one!

If you've got spare hard drive space I'd suggest creating a new bootable partition. Put only a fresh install of the OS, TCP/IP stack, MUI 3.8, and IBrowse on it. If it still fails in that configuration I wonder if you're looking at a hardware issue like a loose accelerator connection or aging capacitors or power supply...
 
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Offline F1Lupo

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.2 after updating MUI to 4.0
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2021, 12:35:09 PM »
ya started fresh install of OS3.2 yesterday and new boot partition….MB and PSU caps have been already replaced and my CS-MKIII is on tight and right with no issues…PSU voltages measured and look good especially as I don’t have any heavy loads like real SCSI HD’s anymore ;)  so this has to be something to do with software side?
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Online Matt_H

Re: A4000 crashes after opening iBrowse 2.5.2 after updating MUI to 4.0
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2021, 11:25:26 PM »
Sounds like you've accounted for the most likely hardware issues, so it's either software or something far sneakier with the hardware.

Any luck with the fresh partition? What filesystem are you using? Can you replicate your hardware config in WinUAE and see what happens there? (obviously this is only possible up to a point since I don't think X-Surf 100 and VA2000 can be emulated)