Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?

[nicholas]

I wonder which will arrive first?  OS4 running on WinUAE with PearPC JIT or MorphOS 3.x running on QEMU with JIT that the Hungarian guy is working on?

Either way, bye bye overpriced and outdated hardware!

[TheMagicM]

I wonder which will arrive first?  OS4 running on WinUAE with PearPC JIT or MorphOS 3.x running on QEMU with JIT that the Hungarian guy is working on?

Either way, bye bye overpriced and outdated hardware!

Link?

[pampers]

Link?

Not sure if that's the latest news: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-ppc/2014-06/msg00000.html

[TheMagicM]

Not sure if that's the latest news: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-ppc/2014-06/msg00000.html

thats also very interesting!!

[psxphill]

Then it will just be up to Hyperion to release an update/patch to detect that their OS is running in an Emulator and refuse to boot.

What if someone writes an emulator that isn't detectable? 100% compatibility means that software cannot tell they aren't running on real hardware.

[Linde]

Do any of you really believe that Hyperion is going to allow AmigaOS4.x to run on any emulator (if they have any way to prevent it, technically, or legally)?  It does not seem to be aligned with their market philosophy.

Yeah, just like what Nintendo did with the Wii, or what Sony did with the Playstation 2. Those two gigantic corporation, primarily interested in selling hardware, sure evaporated any way to viably emulate their systems.

Except they didn't, despite both spending tons of money engineering elaborate copy protection systems and expert lawyers.

[Ancalimon]

Do any of you really believe that Hyperion is going to allow AmigaOS4.x to run on any emulator (if they have any way to prevent it, technically, or legally)?  It does not seem to be aligned with their market philosophy.

Edit:  Has Toni actually stated that any part of his work to include PPC emulation within WinUAE is being provided with the intent that it may some day be able to run AmigaOS4.x?  Maybe he is doing it only to allow the very few Amiga PPC software titles that were written for AmigaOS3.x and the Phase5 Blizzard and Cyberstorm accelerators, excluding AmigaOS4.x?

Since everyone who has one of those ppc cards already have AmigaOS4, it would only allow Hyperion to sell more copies of AmigaOS4. So I think they should be paying Toni Wilen so that he can support the cards.

[amigadave]

Since everyone who has one of those ppc cards already have AmigaOS4, it would only allow Hyperion to sell more copies of AmigaOS4. So I think they should be paying Toni Wilen so that he can support the cards.

I don't disagree with your statement at all.  I think that Hyperion should take advantage of any chance they have to sell more copies and fund further development of AmigaOS4.x.  My question is "will they"?

Their past decisions make me question what they might do with this latest bit of coding work on WinUAE, and how they will react.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what Hyperion has to say about it, IF Toni is able to modify WinUAE to fully emulate those Phase5 boards.

[magnetic]

Except they didn't, despite both spending tons of money engineering elaborate copy protection systems and expert lawyers.

Expert lawyers? LMAO and who was that exactly?

[Duce]

I believe he was referring to Sony and etc., Magnetic.

[DaNi]

can be good add ppc emulation to winuae but this is a lot of hard work to emulate a 60x ppc cpu, i think a good idea is make a bounty to Toni to do this job to run os4 classic edition on a future Winuae

[kamelito]

I don't disagree with your statement at all.  I think that Hyperion should take advantage of any chance they have to sell more copies and fund further development of AmigaOS4.x.  My question is "will they"?

There past decisions make me question what they might do with this latest bit of coding work on WinUAE, and how they will react.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what Hyperion has to say about it, IF Toni is able to modify WinUAE to fully emulate those Phase5 boards.

If they wanted to do it they would have given Tony all the details they have about the PPC classic HW and not have let him do reverse engineering IMHO.

Kamelito

[yssing]

Did he ask for the information?
Why this constant need to belittle hyperion work?

[donpalmera]

If they wanted to do it they would have given Tony all the details they have about the PPC classic HW and not have let him do reverse engineering IMHO.

Kamelito

Maybe they received the information under NDA or similar? Maybe Toni hasn't asked for the information because he wants to reverse engineer it for himself. Considering how pointless the BPPC and CSPPC turned out to be I suspect trying to emulate them is just for the lolz and not really a serious effort to reach 100% perfect emulation.

I'm not sure why some of you guys always need to make someone out as the hero and everyone else (even if they aren't remotely involved) as the bad guys(TM).

[itix]

Maybe they received the information under NDA or similar?

WinUAE is a public document itself so I doubt it ;-)

[donpalmera]

WinUAE is a public document itself so I doubt it ;-)

Why would Toni give himself information about something he needs* information about?

*according to other people