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Title: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: SysAdmin on April 14, 2010, 06:25:54 PM
http://www.a-eon.com/


AmigaOne X1000 specs:

Dual-core 1.8GHz PowerISA™ v2.04+ CPU
"Xena" 500MHz XMOS XS1-L1 128 SDS
ATI Radeon R700 graphics card
2GB RAM
500GB Hard drive
22x DVD combo drive
customised case, keyboard and mouse
7.1 channel HD audio
Ports and connectors:

4x DDR2 RAM slots
10x USB 2.0
1x Gigabit Ethernet
2x PCIe x16 slots (1x16 or 2x8)
2x PCIe x1 slots
1x Xorro slot
2x PCI legacy slots
2x RS232
4x SATA 2 connectors
1x IDE connector
JTAG connector
1x Compact Flash
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: ZeBeeDee on April 14, 2010, 06:28:41 PM
/ponders which arm and leg he should sell in order to be able to afford an X1000 ... maybe throw in a spare lung and kidney as well?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on April 14, 2010, 06:32:24 PM
Heyyy!

I still doubt they'll get it out this year and even if they did shipping would be too expensive. I hop they reconsider and sell it without the case.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Gulliver on April 14, 2010, 06:50:44 PM
Website does not properly work with netbooks (1024x600 resolution)!
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 14, 2010, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: Gulliver;553522
Website does not properly work with netbooks (1024x600 resolution)!


Works fine at 1680x1050 though... :p
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Tajmaster on April 14, 2010, 07:09:07 PM
Note to whoever is developing/selling this board: People find it hard to justify a SAM so think VERY carefully on the price.
 
Hopefully, it will come in around or lower than the current SAM price and the SAM will drop to at least a couple of hundred quid lower. Doubt it tho :(
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: yssing on April 14, 2010, 07:45:00 PM
even better than I had hoped for.. :)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: kolla on April 14, 2010, 07:55:05 PM
How much of that hardware is already supported by AmigaOS4?

Geh... worst corporate web pages of 2010? I think we might have an early winner.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: IslDreamer on April 14, 2010, 08:11:49 PM
HDMI output?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: kolla on April 14, 2010, 08:14:18 PM
Quote from: IslDreamer;553537
HDMI output?
ATI Radeon R700 graphics card - pick one with HDMI output.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 14, 2010, 08:54:55 PM
Quote from: kolla;553535
How much of that hardware is already supported by AmigaOS4?


Well, I know RadeonHD drivers were being developed by the chap here: http://hdrlab.org.nz/radeonhd-driver/ (http://hdrlab.org.nz/radeonhd-driver/)

Quote
Geh... worst corporate web pages of 2010? I think we might have an early winner.


A bit harsh. I quite like the "workbench" alike interface.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 14, 2010, 08:55:36 PM
Quote from: kolla;553538
ATI Radeon R700 graphics card - pick one with HDMI output.


Any card with DVI that can support HD resolutions really, DVI -> HDMI adapters aren't exactly uncommon.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: persia on April 14, 2010, 10:19:40 PM
One ugly, unusable website.  Looks like it was designed by someone who has no concept of web design.  If there were a prize for bad website design, this site deserves nomination...
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 14, 2010, 10:25:03 PM
Quote from: persia;553562
One ugly, unusable website.  Looks like it was designed by someone who has no concept of web design.  If there were a prize for bad website design, this site deserves nomination...


Sure, I haven't seen thousands of sites that are way worse :rolleyes:
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: F1Lupo on April 14, 2010, 10:50:07 PM
Quote from: persia;553562
One ugly, unusable website.  Looks like it was designed by someone who has no concept of web design.  If there were a prize for bad website design, this site deserves nomination...

who give a flying %*&%$ about web design ..honestly :furious:
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: F1Lupo on April 14, 2010, 10:51:27 PM
awesome news:banana:..if I were a rich man I'd give my Samflex@800 a big brother:knuddel:
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Jose on April 14, 2010, 11:11:03 PM
I think it should have DDR3 and a CPU socket (since CPU module seem to be agreed to raise the price too much and tougher to implement).
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Jose on April 14, 2010, 11:11:46 PM
BTW, site design is not that bad! AInc's was so much worse...
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 14, 2010, 11:12:42 PM
Quote from: Jose;553573
I think it should have DDR3 and a CPU socket (since CPU module seem to be agreed to raise the price too much and tougher to implement).


DDR3 has until very recently been very expensive compared to DDR2. I know because I had to buy it for my main machine :-/
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Jose on April 14, 2010, 11:26:12 PM
Sure, but DDR3 will be the standard very soon, it becomes a contradiction for them to market this as the ultimate Amiga system and not be up to current standards. At least one time we could have current memory instead of hunting for expensive outdated and slower mem.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Cammy on April 15, 2010, 12:05:10 AM
If you rub that knob thing it gets longer.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: djrikki on April 15, 2010, 12:11:48 AM
Sure the website isn't as good as say Apple's but it is much neater than that What is X? shit  they had going, but nevertheless they should employ a web design agency to design the site from scratch.  Flash is pretty common nowadays on most sites and yes I know there are issues on Amigas not being able to show flash - albeit if A-EON and the wider Amiga community want new users they should use it extensively on their site.  There is always the option to have a Non-Flash site link.

The only real visible grumble I have about the current design is 1) the click to register for updates button is TOO close to the text above and 2) the blue Amiga windows have to go or at least updated for 2010 (and in Amiga OS 4.x).

On another note, I have managed to get AROS running through VMWare on my Mac and wow did Microsoft steal the task bar from it for Windows 7?  The way the windows/applications shrink down bares a great deal of resemblance.
It won't surprise me in the slightest if they did.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Cammy on April 15, 2010, 12:15:53 AM
Oh, it's a menu.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: NovaCoder on April 15, 2010, 12:34:16 AM
I like the website actually, certain the most professional Amiga website we've had for years (ever) and no sign of any crappy snowman applications ;)

Good points:
CPU (ok faster is always better, but it could have been a 1.6Ghz!)
Customised case, keyboard and mouse (branding IS important, even to a niche market like this).

Bad points:
DDR2, yes it would have been nice to release a NEW motherboard which supported at least the CURRENT memory standard.

Questions/strange choices:
How much memory does it actually support?  I can see they intend to ship it with only 2GB but it has four slots.  If it only supports 2GB that's a bit weak, if it can support more (eg 4GB, 8GB), why don't they just sell it as such (or at least offer it as an option, memory is cheap after all).  Over on AmigaWorld.net there is a suggestion that you can only access the full memory (eg 4GB) when using both cores.

And another thing, why does it have a compact flash port?  Seems like a waste of time to me.  Although they are great thing for an old 1200, it doesn't make any sense here.  Just provide an internal USB so people (who feel the need) can plug in a cheap multi-card reader that supports ALL types of flash memory.

Anyway, good luck to all involved.....hope you get this new HW out on time for a ‘reasonable' price and without any major bugs (unlike the disastrous AmigaOne launch).

:)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Pete_Noir on April 15, 2010, 12:51:11 AM
Quote from: Cammy;553581
If you rub that knob thing it gets longer.

:lol:
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: kolla on April 15, 2010, 01:02:32 AM
Quote from: djrikki;553584
Sure the website isn't as good as say Apple's but it is much neater than that What is X? shit  they had going, but nevertheless they should employ a web design agency to design the site from scratch.  Flash is pretty common nowadays on most sites and yes I know there are issues on Amigas not being able to show flash - albeit if A-EON and the wider Amiga community want new users they should use it extensively on their site.
Yeah, just like Apple does, huh?  :hammer:
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: LoadWB on April 15, 2010, 02:26:42 AM
Quote from: Cammy;553581
If you rub that knob thing it gets longer.

Love when you talk dirty. :laughing:

Anyway, I have to object to the customized case.  If the board is not some form of ATX, then the price will be unnecessarily increased by both the case itself and shipping of the case.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: TheGoose on April 15, 2010, 02:50:44 AM
Oh um, that looks like a good way to get sued right off the bat; using the Monolith and other 2010 Space Odyssey cues.

Pretty sure those aren't public domain just yet.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: koaftder on April 15, 2010, 02:51:54 AM
AmigaOne X1000 specs:

Dual-core 1.8GHz PowerISA™ v2.04+ CPU ( not a power house )
"Xena" 500MHz XMOS XS1-L1 128 SDS (  won't be used for anything )
ATI Radeon R700 graphics card ( old )
2GB RAM ( not enough )
500GB Hard drive ( small )
22x DVD combo drive ( *yawn* )
customised case, keyboard and mouse ( who cares? )
7.1 channel HD audio ( standard ho hum stuff )
Ports and connectors:

4x DDR2 RAM slots (*yawn*)
10x USB 2.0 ( lotsa ports for all those devices that have no driver )
1x Gigabit Ethernet (standard stuff)
2x PCIe x16 slots (1x16 or 2x8) (ho hum)
2x PCIe x1 slots ( neet-o )
1x Xorro slot ( that's one hole that will never loose its virginity )
2x PCI legacy slots
2x RS232 (
4x SATA 2 connectors
1x IDE connector
JTAG connector
1x Compact Flash (who cares?)

So at the end of the day we have an expensive, "high end" ho-hum machine with an operating system that's less sophisticated than Windows 98. We should all celebrate how far Amiga has come over the years. Oh wait, it's not an Amiga, it's an "Amiga One X 1000" running Hyperion OS. My bad.

To loosely quote another guy on the scene, "I hope they make lots of 'em".
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: TheGoose on April 15, 2010, 03:03:58 AM
"Xena is not simply a strap-on extra..."

Whew! glad that's cleared up.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Duce on April 15, 2010, 03:41:00 AM
I thought the OS 4.1 look of the website was sorta cool and unique for what product they are pushing, actually.  There's a lot worse websites out there.  Now just need time to brace for the MSRP sticker shock of this X-1000 thing :)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: koaftder on April 15, 2010, 03:54:54 AM
Quote from: Duce;553610
Now just need time to brace for the MSRP sticker shock of this X-1000 thing :)


You got that right buddy.

Below is an AOS4 user properly braced for the sticker shock regarding the A1X1K:
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: fishy_fiz on April 15, 2010, 03:55:43 AM
In regards to the RAM, what's to say the system can even theoretically support ddr3 ? If the memory controller is on the cpu (which is more often than not with cpus these days) then it may simply not be an option. I'd be surprised if it's an issue anyway,... the speed the cpu is likely to provide (especially when initially only using 1 core) is unlikely to benefit from ddr3 and may even suffer from it (ddr3 has higher latency than ddr2,.... I'd buy ddr2@1333mhz before I bought ddr3@1600 if I wanted performance(but obviously good ddr3 if speed was paramount))..... ddr2 is unlikely to vanish any time soon anyway,.... ddr1 can be purchased still fairly readily even.
In regards to the site, OS4.x is fairly ho-hum to me these days so Im not hugely interested in yet another "announcement of an announcement". Each to thier own though.
 The guys behind the scene might want to hurry up though, time stands still for no-one in the computer world,.... what started out as a potentially pricey low end system (in comparison to what's available off the shelf almost anywhere) may end up as outdated (again comparitively) before it's even released,.. a far cry from what theyre touting as "high end".... 6-12 months is way, way too long to sit on something in this game.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: kickstart on April 15, 2010, 04:12:50 AM
This thing (another overpriced piece of hardware) is using tha 25th anniversary of amiga like reclaim, its sad :(
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: XDelusion on April 15, 2010, 04:29:09 AM
Shouldn't they focus on a software base before trying to sell an over priced piece of hardware?

I mean really, what are people doing with their Amiga One's, SAM's Efika's and the like that they can't do on a Mac Mini with MorphOS? What sets these Amiga's apart from any other computer now a days? Why would anyone but us fan boys  (and girls) want one? Why would a company want to take a change on using them in their stores, factories, and the like?

I just don't get it, sorry to sound like a nay sayer, but I really don't get it.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Tron2k2 on April 15, 2010, 04:46:47 AM
@XDelusion these are very good questions.  If they had a pared down one of these with only one CPU, two RAM slots, the PCI-e connectors, USB and nothing else, that should be able to be made pretty cheap-on par with a used Mac Mini solution.

Makes me wonder, with the JTAG and CF connectors, if this isn't yet another production run of someone's evaluation board ala Teron.  The 'Xorro' connector sounds like some sort of industrial widget to me also.  Sort of like the 'geek port' on the PegasosII was promised to be.  You know, that odd little socket next to the RAM slots..  Did anyone ever use that?

Don't take this as being negative, because I'm kind of excited about the potential of this piece of hardware-imagine a real Amiga like hardware that could have a hope of decoding 1080p video such as from a Blu-Ray disc..

But what's with the big blue member in the lower right corner of the site?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: redfox on April 15, 2010, 05:00:22 AM
The website looks fine here on my OS4 system with OWB 3.23.  Haven't tried any other browser yet.  Registered with no problems at all.  It's a start.  I'm sure we'll see more content when there is more to share.
---
redfox
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: fishy_fiz on April 15, 2010, 05:03:22 AM
@Xdelusion

While I do agree to a degree with what you've said, by that reasoning AROS is the logical choice (ie, can do much the same things in a similar manner faster and cheaper (generalising here, please dont point out shortcomings or advantages of "system x" ppl)) and a potential business has to start somewhere, and while there's still a little way to go for all amiga like options, progress has been made in the last few years with both software and hardware (although personally I think the hardware side of things seems like a very risky idea(for all the ideas that have been repeated over and over on most amiga sites)).... small steps, of which X1000 is another, but things are slowly moving forward. For my tastes, although I favor OS3.x on classics and amithlon(one for retro fun, one for "serious use) and AROS and dont particularly follow OS4.x (I do read the interesting stuff that happens with it still when I come across it on multi amiga format sites), Im a happy man for any sort of progress on any of the amiga like systems as if for any reason some die at least things have been progressing elsewhere so I can jump aboard another actively developed option.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: koaftder on April 15, 2010, 05:10:30 AM
The dick sliding into your browser is so freaking appropriate. Bend over all ye AOS4 faithfuls. They didn't design it this way by accident, I guarantee you.

(http://i.imgur.com/39axP.png)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: the_leander on April 15, 2010, 05:32:43 AM
Quote from: Cammy;553581
If you rub that knob thing it gets longer.


Quote from: TheGoose;553607
"Xena is not simply a strap-on extra..."

Whew! glad that's cleared up.


Quote from: koaftder;553619
The dick sliding into your browser is so freaking appropriate. Bend over all ye AOS4 faithfuls. They didn't design it this way by accident, I guarantee you.

(http://i.imgur.com/39axP.png)


I have a very dirty mind. :lol:
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: runequester on April 15, 2010, 06:51:04 AM
Nothing says "new amiga" like a dick joke
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: fishy_fiz on April 15, 2010, 07:16:10 AM
So, taking the phallicism on board theyre basically telling us to go f@ck ourselves "while you are waiting" ?   :-P
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: BigBenAussie on April 15, 2010, 07:27:28 AM
Oh man.... that monkey is freaking me out.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on April 15, 2010, 08:17:50 AM
Who's ready for there hot Amiga injection? :roflmao:
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Varthall on April 15, 2010, 08:23:38 AM
Quote from: koaftder;553611
You got that right buddy.

Below is an AOS4 user properly braced for the sticker shock regarding the A1X1K:

image removed - images of vivisection aren't really suited to a family forum
Thanks for reminding me how cruel can be some people towards animals. Apparently this  monkey was subjected to neurological experiments conducted by a vivisector in 1981, he was even sentenced to jail and later exculpated. Damn sad.

Link: http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/monkey-chair-10.html

Varthall
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: jahc on April 15, 2010, 09:04:38 AM
Quote from: koaftder;553619
The dick sliding into your browser is so freaking appropriate. Bend over all ye AOS4 faithfuls. They didn't design it this way by accident, I guarantee you.

Just wondering.. which Amiga systems do you actually like or use?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: utri007 on April 15, 2010, 09:20:43 AM
There are lots of people who thinks that amiga price should be something like 100€, and moust of them haven't had amiga years now.

Their amiga hobby is that they spend time amiga forums telling to other people that they don't get it

Other part are those who doesn't understand that some people wants to use A OS 4 as their hobby OS, not morp os or aros

Personally, I just not interested Morp OS or Aros, but I'm not spend my time to crying that MorpH OS shoud go to x86 or that how poor hardware support is for Aros
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 15, 2010, 09:23:54 AM
Quote from: the_leander;553621
I have a very dirty mind. :lol:


Damn, now all I can see is a big phallus :griping:
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on April 15, 2010, 11:06:11 AM
Quote from: utri007;553652
There are lots of people who thinks that amiga price should be something like 100€, and moust of them haven't had amiga years now.

Their amiga hobby is that they spend time amiga forums telling to other people that they don't get it

Other part are those who doesn't understand that some people wants to use A OS 4 as their hobby OS, not morp os or aros

Personally, I just not interested Morp OS or Aros, but I'm not spend my time to crying that MorpH OS shoud go to x86 or that how poor hardware support is for Aros

Now you can split the camps even more with FPGA arcade users and eventually Natami.
$1000+ is too much for me I'd want a lot more features for that price. It's not really an Amiga for me seeing how noone is likely to ship it to Australia.
Something like a Natami suits my needs a lot better because I have no PPC Amiga programs.
Gee I wish people like you were around when Be went bankrupt.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: skurk on April 15, 2010, 11:32:01 AM
Quote from: jahc;553650
Just wondering.. which Amiga systems do you actually like or use?


That's actually a good question.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 15, 2010, 11:47:24 AM
Quote
That's actually a good question

Well, I have in my possession:

Desktop A1200, 040@25MHz, 16MB 70ns, PCMCIA ethernet, 1.2GB HDD
Towered A1200, BlizzPPC040@25/603@240MHz/SCSI, 256MB 60ns, BVision, PCMCIA ethernet, 10GB HDD
Towered A1200, 040@28MHz, 32MB 60ns, Mediator, 32MB Voodoo 3000, 20GB HDD, PCI NIC
E-UAE on main PC (Q9450, 4GB DDR3, GTX275 etc)
A1 XE, 7445@800MHz, 128MB PC133 (need to upgrade that), 256MB 128-bit Radeon 9250, SBLive 1024, 80GB
Old Duron 1200 (was testing AROS on that), 512MB PC133, nVidia GeForce 4MX (weak), 80GB HDD.

Dead A600 *sniff*, awaiting repair.

I enjoy using all of them, when I get the chance.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: koaftder on April 15, 2010, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: jahc;553650
Just wondering.. which Amiga systems do you actually like or use?


I like all the classic machines for sure. I have a pile of a1ks a 3k a 12k and some others. A1k is my favorite though. Use UAE a lot and have Aros on two hobby pc's.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: dammy on April 15, 2010, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: runequester;553630
Nothing says "new amiga" like a dick joke


Shouldn't that be an "new amigo" dick joke?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: amoskodare on April 15, 2010, 12:50:20 PM
I like the new website, it is much better than the old one :-)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Lando on April 15, 2010, 12:53:49 PM
The site won't work on my iPhone, but judging from the comments I'm not missing much.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: jj on April 15, 2010, 01:03:14 PM
probably uses flash :)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: amoskodare on April 15, 2010, 01:40:04 PM
Quote
The site won't work on my iPhone, but judging from the comments I'm not  missing much.
The website works just fine here on my Nokia N900 with Firefox :rolleyes:
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: outlawal2 on April 15, 2010, 02:17:28 PM
Quote from: Lando;553662
The site won't work on my iPhone, but judging from the comments I'm not missing much.


Works fine from my Iphone... Takes a while to load but that is AT&T not the Iphone...
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Varthall on April 15, 2010, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: koaftder;553659
I like all the classic machines for sure. I have a pile of a1ks a 3k a 12k and some others. A1k is my favorite though. Use UAE a lot and have Aros on two hobby pc's.

It's a pity then you don't like Amiga users as much as your Amigas...

Varthall
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: _ThEcRoW on April 15, 2010, 02:51:21 PM
The website looks perfect on my Pre.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: dammy on April 15, 2010, 03:03:19 PM
Quote from: Varthall;553675
It's a pity then you don't like Amiga users as much as your Amigas...

Varthall


Perhaps he just gets short with those trying to BS him too much?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Delta on April 15, 2010, 04:03:43 PM
Glad to finally see a real website from a-eon and i'm sure this machine will be very expensive but I'd be happy with the specs.  Sadly nobody really NEEDS an Amiga today so I don't know why some ppl are pissed at these specs.    

If I buy one it will be like buying a pool or a second car, just an extra but not a life essential.  

Don't judge them by the website, mine was shitty but my business was doing great :)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: persia on April 15, 2010, 04:11:03 PM
For some of us it's disappointment.  I pretty much left Amiga in the '90s and returned to my old toys a few years ago.  I had gotten into Amiga in '85 because it was so far ahead of the pack.  I could do wonderful things with it.  I guess what I wanted was a modern version of that, something that would be ahead of the pack with new fresh ideas, not some slightly modernised parody of the past.  

There's nothing new here, nothing fresh, that to me was more Amiga than some clunky interface.  Amiga to me was an idea, simple computing with powerful hardware pushed to the max and beyond.  But it was also affordable.  Bang (darn you Cammy, I can't even use this metaphor without laughing) for the buck.  My 3000 was half the price of an equivalent Mac.  

Anyway, I'm move on eventually, the dream isn't going to happen, and I'll come to accept that eventually.  The website helps, it's ancient feel helps put Amiga back into history now.

Quote from: utri007;553652
There are lots of people who thinks that amiga price should be something like 100€, and moust of them haven't had amiga years now.

Their amiga hobby is that they spend time amiga forums telling to other people that they don't get it

Other part are those who doesn't understand that some people wants to use A OS 4 as their hobby OS, not morp os or aros

Personally, I just not interested Morp OS or Aros, but I'm not spend my time to crying that MorpH OS shoud go to x86 or that how poor hardware support is for Aros

(http://durtbagz.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/bacon_bandages.jpg?w=397)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: kolla on April 15, 2010, 04:23:07 PM
Quote from: Delta;553683
Glad to finally see a real website from a-eon and i'm sure this machine will be very expensive but I'd be happy with the specs.  Sadly nobody really NEEDS an Amiga today so I don't know why some ppl are pissed at these specs.
The specs are OK, but as long as the OS is not able to make good use of the hardware, it's all rather pointless. To call it high-end is wrong, there are far more powerfull powerpc systems around, it's a low/mid-end powerpc box in a huge casing.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: asymetrix on April 15, 2010, 04:34:57 PM
@persia

"It does not matter if their technology is BETTER, its how you SELL it that counts." -Bill G.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: jorkany on April 15, 2010, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: Varthall;553675
It's a pity then you don't like Amiga users as much as your Amigas...

What do either have to do with A-Eon?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Varthall on April 15, 2010, 05:35:46 PM
Quote from: jorkany;553691
What do either have to do with A-Eon?

Apparently they do.

Varthall
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: XDelusion on April 15, 2010, 05:39:30 PM
That's not a monkey, it's actually an Amiga user! That's what we look like now!
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Kremlar on April 15, 2010, 05:56:23 PM
Quote
For some of us it's disappointment. I pretty much left Amiga in the '90s and returned to my old toys a few years ago. I had gotten into Amiga in '85 because it was so far ahead of the pack. I could do wonderful things with it. I guess what I wanted was a modern version of that, something that would be ahead of the pack with new fresh ideas, not some slightly modernised parody of the past.

There's nothing new here, nothing fresh, that to me was more Amiga than some clunky interface. Amiga to me was an idea, simple computing with powerful hardware pushed to the max and beyond. But it was also affordable. Bang (darn you Cammy, I can't even use this metaphor without laughing) for the buck. My 3000 was half the price of an equivalent Mac.

Anyway, I'm move on eventually, the dream isn't going to happen, and I'll come to accept that eventually. The website helps, it's ancient feel helps put Amiga back into history now.

It's not going to happen today the way it happened back then.  Back then the PC market was relatively small, with lots of room for profit margin and lots of room for innovation.  Today the innovation is in form factor and presentation/software (witness the deserved success of the iPhone and probably the iPad), and the profit margin is slim.
 
The best anyone can do today with a desktop OS is carve out a niche (Linux).  Look at the still relatively low percentage of people running Macs - and that's after decades of competing with Windows!  Can a company just snap their fingers and create a mature OS competitive with Windows or the Mac?  No.  People want familiarity, compatibility and value.
 
If I made a widget that had vastly better processing power, graphics, sound, etc., would I build a new computer platform around it?  No - I'd sell it to Intell/AMD/nVidia!  Why sell 5,000 Amigas when I can sell 10,000,000 PC peripherals?
 
The only thing hot today, other than Apple products, is 3D.  Figure out how to use that to sell your widget and you might have a market - but as a Windows PC peripheral, not as a new computing platform.
 
Why would anyone in their right mind, except for fanboys or for nostalgia, buy an X1000?  There's really no reason at all without a killer app.  And if I were writing a "killer app", I'd write it for Windows!
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on April 15, 2010, 06:20:04 PM
Quote from: Kremlar;553695

Why would anyone in their right mind, except for fanboys or for nostalgia, buy an X1000?  There's really no reason at all without a killer app.  And if I were writing a "killer app", I'd write it for Windows!


You don't need 3D. Write a cool application to handle your movie/music collection and sell it as HTPC. Or make a wii fit board for it.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Kremlar on April 15, 2010, 06:31:07 PM
HTPCs aren't hot.  I love 'em, my whole house is filled with them, but I'm in the minority.  The potential market is incredibly small for a $800+++ HTPC when people can simply rent an HD-capable PVR that has the features they want for $10-$15/month.  Or better still, buy an Xbox 360 or PS3 for $300 or less.
 
I'm not sure what it's like in Australia, but here in the US building a usable HTPC isn't easy.  Playback of Blu-Ray within a single, reliable, attractive user interface is tough.  Same with encrypted digital TV.  It's taken Microsoft years to finally get CableLabs to open up cable card to all Media Center users.  Microsoft still doesn't have Blu-Ray playback within Media Center.
 
How could an Amiga-product pull it off, and why would they want to even try with such a small market?
 
But sure.  Build a slick HTPC for $300-$400 that does everything cleanly and reliably, and maybe you'll sell 10,000.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: jorkany on April 15, 2010, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: Fanscale;553703
You don't need 3D. Write a cool application to handle your movie/music collection and sell it as HTPC. Or make a wii fit board for it.


Sell it to who? The handful of other X1000 owners? Might as well throw your money away.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Methuselas on April 15, 2010, 08:16:11 PM
"1x Xorro slot ( that's one hole that will never loose its virginity )"


*rolling on the floor laughing hysterically*

That was my first impression, when they announced that. XD
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Methuselas on April 15, 2010, 08:19:59 PM
"I have a very dirty mind. :lol:"

lolz
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 15, 2010, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: kolla;553687
The specs are OK, but as long as the OS is not able to make good use of the hardware, it's all rather pointless. To call it high-end is wrong, there are far more powerfull powerpc systems around, it's a low/mid-end powerpc box in a huge casing.


It's "high end" in the same way the 060 is for a classic machine. There are much faster coldfire systems out there, but as they don't run AmigaOS, they aren't relevant when discussing what's high-end for an 68k based Amiga.

So, whilst it's true that there are more powerful PowerPC based systems available, a 1.8GHz PowerPC is still "high end" as far as OS4 compatibles go. After all, the fastest existing systems that can run OS4 are only about, what, 1.3GHz at most?

If it's "done right", this machine could be significantly faster by more than the difference in clockspeed from existing OS4 machines. A decent memory controller with DDR2 should help, as will SATA and PCIe expansion boards.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: kickstart on April 15, 2010, 09:14:21 PM
Quote from: utri007;553652
There are lots of people who thinks that amiga price should be something like 100€, and moust of them haven't had amiga years now.

Their amiga hobby is that they spend time amiga forums telling to other people that they don't get it

Other part are those who doesn't understand that some people wants to use A OS 4 as their hobby OS, not morp os or aros

Personally, I just not interested Morp OS or Aros, but I'm not spend my time to crying that MorpH OS shoud go to x86 or that how poor hardware support is for Aros

No one is crying here, just people giving their opinion and maybe people that paid many euros for expensive hardware pieces years ago just supported by hopes, and maybe some of them are tired of this adventures.

But wait... if you just want blue or red forum its your opinion.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: TheGoose on April 16, 2010, 12:56:07 AM
Quote from: BigBenAussie;553635
Oh man.... that monkey is freaking me out.


Yeah that monkey is wrong. Sysop god person please remove the monkey. I totally encourage all dick jokes but, crazy painful monkey hurts me.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: F1Lupo on April 16, 2010, 02:34:35 AM
Quote from: koaftder;553619
The dick sliding into your browser is so freaking appropriate. Bend over all ye AOS4 faithfuls. They didn't design it this way by accident, I guarantee you. [/IMG]


wow..this is what amiga.org has come to:furious: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: koaftder on April 16, 2010, 02:43:33 AM
Quote from: klx300r;553759
wow..this is what amiga.org has come to:furious: :rolleyes:


I cracked a joke about the silly design of that website, and you have to admit, it really is silly. Is this really the end of the world, this one joke about the graphics?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: persia on April 16, 2010, 03:59:48 AM
The penis thing at the bottom of the a-eon.com is rather attention gathering, I have to admit.  Not sure it'll sell computers but it should make the news of the weird...

Quote from: koaftder;553760
I cracked a joke about the silly design of that website, and you have to admit, it really is silly. Is this really the end of the world, this one joke about the graphics?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: jahc on April 16, 2010, 04:00:01 AM
Quote from: koaftder;553760
I cracked a joke about the silly design of that website, and you have to admit, it really is silly. Is this really the end of the world, this one joke about the graphics?


You directed it at OS4 users. I dont use OS3 anymore, havent for years, and dont have much of an interest in AROS either, but I cross compile for you guys because I feel its part of my job. It's not fun half the time, but I do it anyway. Lately the non OS4 versions have been lagging behind as I struggle to find time to do anything that isnt enjoyable when I'm not studying.. and comments like that feel like the icing on the cake for me.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: F1Lupo on April 16, 2010, 04:39:55 AM
Quote from: koaftder;553760
I cracked a joke about the silly design of that website, and you have to admit, it really is silly. Is this really the end of the world, this one joke about the graphics?

I personally don't give a rats ass about web design but that comment about AmigaOS4 users is just plain uncalled for and I'm surprised it's tolerated on a site named "AMIGA.ORG".

@ jahc

I can understand your last comment and I personally respect the work AROS developers have recently put into its development (especially the latest Sam440 port :-))
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: koaftder on April 16, 2010, 05:40:13 AM
You guys are whiners. I wrote the comment about the sticker shock with the monkey because it's my opinion that AOS4 users are getting taken for their money with all this A-Eon crap. It's also why I wrote the "bend over" comment as well.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: LoadWB on April 16, 2010, 05:57:19 AM
I would not take the comment about OS4 users personally, but shrug it off as such.  My interpretation of the comment is, if you want to run OS4 you have to pay exorbitant prices for hardware.  None the less, I do not use OS4 (yet, until I get my CSPPC repaired) but I -- as well as many others -- appreciate the effort developers put into supporting it.  The Amiga community has suffered fragmentation in the past, and it certainly would be difficult to survive another fracturing.

That said, I find the image of the monkey disturbing as well, knowing the context of the photograph itself, and only mildly relevant to the context of the comment made.  Now, having said that, I do not personally see a reason to remove it to sate me, though I can clearly understand where others would disapprove.  ::shrugs::

All in all, I do not abide this thread turning into YET ANOTHER piss-fest of attitudes and negativity towards anything promoted to or for the Amiga community.  If everything offered is attacked, then the motivation to produce anything better is diminished and ultimately it all dies.

So, for those of you producing, keep on, please.  For those of you casting your mighty heft of dispersions against newcomers, shove it.  If the product is shyt, it will die under its own weight.  At least some people are doing; what has your fat-headed arm-chair quarterbacking produced?

EDIT: I wanted to clear up that my intention is not to slam those with constructive and useful criticism.  Criticism is essential, and stating what some prefer or do not like is critical to producing good products.  I have seen some good comments in this thread, but my fear is that it has the potential to escalate much like other threads have recently.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: F1Lupo on April 16, 2010, 05:59:52 AM
Quote from: koaftder;553776
You guys are whiners. I wrote the comment about the sticker shock with the monkey because it's my opinion that AOS4 users are getting taken for their money with all this A-Eon crap. It's also why I wrote the "bend over" comment as well.

classless comment yet again :(
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: jj on April 16, 2010, 09:53:26 AM
Quote from: klx300r;553768
I personally don't give a rats ass about web design but that comment about AmigaOS4 users is just plain uncalled for and I'm surprised it's tolerated on a site named "AMIGA.ORG".
 
@ jahc
 
I can understand your last comment and I personally respect the work AROS developers have recently put into its development (especially the latest Sam440 port :-))

 
Oh grow up.  Mummy he called me bad things mummy.
 
As i said in another thread, there is no international agreement that stops people being offensive. And nobody has the right not to be offened by anyone or anything.  You really need to lighten up about this
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on April 16, 2010, 10:16:38 AM
Could you have found a less disturbing picture, like the monkeys stealing luggage?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 16, 2010, 10:28:46 AM
Quote from: koaftder;553760
I cracked a joke about the silly design of that website, and you have to admit, it really is silly. Is this really the end of the world, this one joke about the graphics?


It's better than this one I made a few years ago: http://voicesofaorg.extropia.co.uk/ (http://voicesofaorg.extropia.co.uk/)

At least you can resize the windows on the A-EON site :)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: skurk on April 16, 2010, 10:48:41 AM
Quote from: koaftder;553776
You guys are whiners. I wrote the comment about the sticker shock with the monkey because it's my opinion that AOS4 users are getting taken for their money with all this A-Eon crap. It's also why I wrote the "bend over" comment as well.


...Wat?  I seem to recall that you whine on almost every OS4/Sam thread there is lately.

Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh, but come on.  Even I've noticed this.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Varthall on April 16, 2010, 12:39:07 PM
Quote from: koaftder;553776
You guys are whiners. I wrote the comment about the sticker shock with the monkey because it's my opinion that AOS4 users are getting taken for their money with all this A-Eon crap. It's also why I wrote the "bend over" comment as well.

I think you should have chosen a better picture. And I believe OS4 users can decide how it is better to spend their money. If something is on your opinion a waste of money doesn't necessarily mean that it must be the same for others too.

Varthall
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: dammy on April 16, 2010, 12:46:43 PM
Quote from: skurk;553818
...Wat?  I seem to recall that you whine on almost every OS4/Sam thread there is lately.

Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh, but come on.  Even I've noticed this.


I've too have noticed him being far more negative about X1000 and OS4 as of late.  Could it be he went heavily negative after he got roasted for commenting on the XMOS being worthless on a desktop since he has been developing on the XMOS at his workplace?  Let's connect those dots!
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: djrikki on April 16, 2010, 12:52:58 PM
As a relatively new user to this site I am appalled by the person who posted that image and ask why he has not been banned or given a warning and the image removed.

This forum is strange.  A forum dedicated to the Amiga platform yet so many Amiga-haters on here its quite odd.  Is there a Whinger thread these people can go to?  Or perhaps you should think about why you are here in the first place if you have to be so negative and let everyone know about it.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: jj on April 16, 2010, 01:03:31 PM
Quote from: djrikki;553841
As a relatively new user to this site I am appalled by the person who posted that image and ask why he has not been banned or given a warning and the image removed.
 
This forum is strange. A forum dedicated to the Amiga platform yet so many Amiga-haters on here its quite odd. Is there a Whinger thread these people can go to? Or perhaps you should think about why you are here in the first place if you have to be so negative and let everyone know about it.

As a realatively new user maybe you shoule realise this is a forum where people can be as postive or as negative about something as they like.
 
This is not www.amigazealot.org (http://www.amigazealot.org).   A lot of people on here don't really use Amigas anymore but see this site as a home away from home because they have like ten years invested in it and have a lot of online friends
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 16, 2010, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: djrikki;553841
As a relatively new user to this site I am appalled by the person who posted that image and ask why he has not been banned or given a warning and the image removed.


The vivisection images have been removed.

Quote
This forum is strange.  A forum dedicated to the Amiga platform yet so many Amiga-haters on here its quite odd.  Is there a Whinger thread these people can go to?  Or perhaps you should think about why you are here in the first place if you have to be so negative and let everyone know about it.


The forum reflects the user base. We all started out liking the same Amiga/AmigaOS, but when it comes to the descendant platforms, well people have very different views.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Varthall on April 16, 2010, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: Karlos;553844
The forum reflects the user base. We all started out liking the same Amiga/AmigaOS, but when it comes to the descendant platforms, well people have very different views.

It is positive to have different views, but IMHO there should be respect for other people.

Varthall
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: jj on April 16, 2010, 01:35:00 PM
I diasgree.  You cant please everyone all of the time.  We have a thing called freedom of speech( though its getting errored all the time in the uk) which lets people say what they like even if someone might get their panties in a bunch at someone elses comments or views.  People shouldnt be scare3d to say things because of somone elses feelings.  And yes as far as I am concerened this covers eveything
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Varthall on April 16, 2010, 01:44:26 PM
Quote from: JJ;553850
I diasgree.  You cant please everyone all of the time.  We have a thing called freedom of speech( though its getting errored all the time in the uk) which lets people say what they like even if someone might get their panties in a bunch at someone elses comments or views.  People shouldnt be scare3d to say things because of somone elses feelings.  And yes as far as I am concerened this covers eveything
Probably you'd react differently, but I would not be happy if someone suggests me to bend over and get a d*ck, for reasons I don't agree btw.

Varthall
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: jj on April 16, 2010, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: Varthall;553854
Probably you'd react differently, but I would not be happy if someone suggests me to bend over and get a d*ck, for reasons I don't agree btw.
 
Varthall

I would probably just get over it to be honest.  Its hardly the insult of the year and has no bearing on the rest of my life to be honest.  Some people just like to get angry and offended dont they
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: F1Lupo on April 16, 2010, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: JJ;553860
I would probably just get over it to be honest.  Its hardly the insult of the year and has no bearing on the rest of my life to be honest.  Some people just like to get angry and offended dont they

Trust me, I would really love to test your theory! but to partake in that type of behaviour would be childish and disrespectful and would not reflect the views of the many loyal Amigans on this site...now are you starting to get the point or should I ask Wayne (or Dick Van Dyke) to get the pointy hat for you
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: persia on April 16, 2010, 03:12:51 PM
Is that another a-eon.com website pun?

Quote from: Varthall;553854
Probably you'd react differently, but I would not be happy if someone suggests me to bend over and get a d*ck, for reasons I don't agree btw.

Varthall
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: outlawal2 on April 16, 2010, 03:16:07 PM
Can we all just friggin MOVE ON already?  I for one am quite excited about the prospect of a new Amiga-type machine...  Will it compete with Windows and Macs.  No.  Will it be bleeding edge?  No.  Will it have the latest whiz-bang processor? No. It is a niche / hobby machine and does not need to be any of these things.. It just needs to WORK and FEEL like the Amiga of old..  The FEEL was the real beauty of the Amiga. Yes it was cutting edge when it was released, but how many of us kept using it LONG after the PC and Mac trounced it?  Hell the fact that we are still frequenting this forum proves that it wasn't the technology necessarily, it was the overall FEEL of the machine/software...  And that is what we all crave...  This new machine may fail, and it may have some success who knows?

What it WILL have is a PowerPC processor that hearkens back to the original. (And if you aren't going for an Intel killer, WHY NOT go a bit nostalgic? ) Also, keep in mind that the processor for this machine has to be somewhat easy to port OS4 over so this kills any notions of x86 processors and that is fine with me at this point.

It will also be multi-core and this is new for the Amiga platform..  I am also hoping that they institute some kind of memory protection as well...

XMOS and Xorro? Who knows?  I am not a programmer but I thought what about some kind of board that controls every aspect of your home?  (Kind of like the X11 stuff but more advanced and integrated...)   No idea, but worth a thought maybe...

Anyway, enough with the negativity and let's see if we can find a use for this thing so maybe it will be feasible...  

I am going to hold off on any of the negative statements until we actually have one of these things to play with before making any assumptions...
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: persia on April 16, 2010, 03:30:54 PM
Actually the XMOS look interesting, I'm seriously thinking of plunking down 50 bucks and getting a usb interface so that I can play with them.

It actually mixes things up a bit, I have no interest in the X1000, but I really want to play with XMOS, so it expands the community beyond Amiga hardware/software.  Who know where that might lead?  Maybe XMOS is the future of the community.  It's cheap enough to get into and has a lot of interesting possibilities.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: outlawal2 on April 16, 2010, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: persia;553875
Actually the XMOS look interesting, I'm seriously thinking of plunking down 50 bucks and getting a usb interface so that I can play with them.

It actually mixes things up a bit, I have no interest in the X1000, but I really want to play with XMOS, so it expands the community beyond Amiga hardware/software.  Who know where that might lead?  Maybe XMOS is the future of the community.  It's cheap enough to get into and has a lot of interesting possibilities.


Please expand on the possibilities that you foresee..  (Kind of a brainstorming session )
I am very interested in your take on XMOS
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: the_leander on April 16, 2010, 05:02:18 PM
Quote from: JJ;553850
I diasgree.  You cant please everyone all of the time.  We have a thing called freedom of speech( though its getting errored all the time in the uk) which lets people say what they like even if someone might get their panties in a bunch at someone elses comments or views.  People shouldnt be scare3d to say things because of somone elses feelings.  And yes as far as I am concerened this covers eveything


Quoted for MF truth.

Some people seriously need to man the hell up.

Quote from: klx300r;553865
Trust me, I would really love to test your theory!


The last person to try that line was Delshey who aimed it at me. I was laughing like a loon for a good few minutes at his antics, and absolutely eating the carpet when the banhammer arrived.

I suspect if JJ is anything like me he wasn't much different.  

Quote from: klx300r;553865

 but to partake in that type of behaviour would be childish and disrespectful and would not reflect the views of the many loyal Amigans on this site...


"Amigans". See I equate this phrase to trekkies. You have fans of star trek, just as you have fans and users of the Amiga, and then you get "Amigans".

Quote from: klx300r;553865

now are you starting to get the point or should I ask Wayne (or Dick Van Dyke) to get the pointy hat for you


That's right JJ, the person who's been here for all of 5 minutes is absolutely correct, anyone who disagrees with his butthurt is a stupid head. Be told!

:laughing:

Back on topic: The website is a joke in every sense of the word. XMOS might make for a great micro-controller, but I really can't see any benefit for having it given that the tools to take full advantage of it (IE ones that'll give you more capabilities then a PIC chip would) are closed source and surprisingly not available for the Amiga.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: utri007 on April 16, 2010, 05:53:08 PM
This discussion start to be really BAD, some people doesn't have any basic manners or respect to other people.

Feel free to insult to others, its a freedom of the speach, or is it? Or maybe they have understand critism wrong way?
 
Usually if I don't have anything positive to say I don't say anything.

Moderators are you wake?

This is my part:

I'm sure that those people who see dick in that web site are homosexuals, that OK. We here Europe have great respect to you and I am pleasantly surprised that you haven't posted any homosexual stories here, after all this amiga forum.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: ChuckT on April 16, 2010, 06:15:44 PM
Quote from: the_leander;553895
Back on topic: The website is a joke in every sense of the word. XMOS might make for a great micro-controller, but I really can't see any benefit for having it given that the tools to take full advantage of it (IE ones that'll give you more capabilities then a PIC chip would) are closed source and surprisingly not available for the Amiga.


For a microcontroller, XMOS's chips can make 32 Sprites.  I think that is more than the Amiga ever did.  This is probably not the chip but one of their versions has four cores and is capable of 400 mips.

Your point is pointless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5eU8pHpy-c
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: the_leander on April 16, 2010, 06:21:43 PM
Quote from: ChuckT;553899
For a microcontroller, XMOS's chips can make 32 Sprites.  I think that is more than the Amiga ever did.  This is probably not the chip but one of their versions has four cores and is capable of 400 mips.

Your point is pointless.



Way to not read my post.

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given that the tools to take full advantage of it (IE ones that'll give you more capabilities then a PIC chip would) are closed source and surprisingly not available for the Amiga.


Read and understand. The open source tools (if they can even be ported) only offer a tiny subset of the chips capabilities. And any graphics card you plug into the X1000 is going to be several orders of magnitude more capable on every level. So what exactly is the purpose of this chip on a desktop motherboard?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: wawrzon on April 16, 2010, 06:34:17 PM
Quote from: utri007;553898


I'm sure that those people who see dick in that web site are homosexuals, that OK.


and women? oh, they wouldnt visit anyway..
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: ChuckT on April 16, 2010, 06:36:50 PM
Quote from: the_leander;553900
Way to not read my post.



Read and understand. The open source tools (if they can even be ported) only offer a tiny subset of the chips capabilities. And any graphics card you plug into the X1000 is going to be several orders of magnitude more capable on every level. So what exactly is the purpose of this chip on a desktop motherboard?


What chip would you suggest that they use?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: KimmoK on April 16, 2010, 06:49:40 PM
FYI:
- xena produces 500MIPS (single core xcore)
- Page 32 defines relevant use cases1 and 2 for xena on a motherboard:
https://electronics.wesrch.com/User_images/Pdf/SE1_1261077219.pdf
- IMO it's 100% sure that AOS4 will have all the needed xcore developer tools

etc...
re: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=553663#post553663
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=27379&forum=33#549969

@ChuckT
- x1000 uses ATI r700 series GPU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R700
- x1000 has 95% surely PA6T PPC SoC
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: persia on April 16, 2010, 06:52:44 PM
Yeah, it's a bit like fish fingers and custard.  They each server there own purpose but why bring them together?

Quote from: the_leander;553900
Way to not read my post.



Read and understand. The open source tools (if they can even be ported) only offer a tiny subset of the chips capabilities. And any graphics card you plug into the X1000 is going to be several orders of magnitude more capable on every level. So what exactly is the purpose of this chip on a desktop motherboard?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: the_leander on April 16, 2010, 06:53:33 PM
Quote from: ChuckT;553903
What chip would you suggest that they use?


For what exactly?

This is what I'm trying to get across - I don't see any valid reason for that chip to be on the board.

If it's as a graphics chip then the amount of MIPs it computes is utterly irrelevant as it has no FPU and no access to system ram.

As an IO chip.. Great, but why the need for CPU like features onboard? Is the primary CPU that wheezy?

If it's for hacking about and playing with, then it's all but useless as the closed source drivers are not available and the opensource ones only offer access to a small subset of the chips (limited) capabilities.

No one anywhere has given a decent explanation for this chip being built into a desktop computer.

Oh and whilst we're on the subject of expensive and practically useless components of the X1000: Xorro? May I remind you all that the last re-imagination of Zorro was sold by Eyetech as a bridgeboard for the A1200, and in all the years it was on sale it had precisely 1 card ever made for it - a PCI bridgeboard, which was next to useless as Zorro 4 had no DMA capabilities whatsoever.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: the_leander on April 16, 2010, 06:55:31 PM
Quote from: KimmoK;553905

https://electronics.wesrch.com/User_...1261077219.pdf
- IMO it's 100% sure that AOS4 will have all the needed xcore developer tools


The opensource ones maybe, the closed ones?

Good luck with that...
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on April 16, 2010, 07:02:06 PM
@above I think you're right. Whack on something useful instead... Like an x86.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: outlawal2 on April 16, 2010, 07:03:23 PM
Quote from: persia;553906
Yeah, it's a bit like fish fingers and custard.  They each server there own purpose but why bring them together?


Yeah and I seem to recall "No one will EVER need more than 640k of memory",  and "Who would EVER use more than a 300 BAUD modem?"  Or Bill Gates talking about how the Internet will never amount to anything...  

I remember when I got my first 386 machine Compaq at the time did not want to sell it for home use as "It was far too powerful for home use."  

Bringing seemingly unrelated things together could very well be the next new wave of computing...  (Not saying that XMOS is going to revolutionize the world, but just because you or I don't envision a use for it yet in no way guarantees it as a flop.)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: utri007 on April 16, 2010, 07:07:57 PM
There are 100% sure some use for xena, but would it make a difference? Or could it be something revolutionary??? I doubt that, but who knows ;)

I hope that Hyperion has some good ideas for it?

Would it be possible to use it as a real time rendering engine? That would offer cool looking games etc? It wouldn't need to be movie level rendering and still offer something new
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: the_leander on April 16, 2010, 07:20:30 PM
Quote from: outlawal2;553910
Yeah and I seem to recall "No one will EVER need more than 640k of memory",


Ironic given that you'd need 4 XMOS XS1-G4's to have that much memory available ;)

Quote from: outlawal2;553910

Bringing seemingly unrelated things together could very well be the next new wave of computing...  (Not saying that XMOS is going to revolutionize the world, but just because you or I don't envision a use for it yet in no way guarantees it as a flop.)


I somehow very much doubt that the coming together of this weird ass DSP-alike processor is going to set the world alight, especially without the developer tools to actually make any real use of it.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: the_leander on April 16, 2010, 07:25:45 PM
Quote from: utri007;553911
There are 100% sure some use for xena, but would it make a difference? Or could it be something revolutionary??? I doubt that, but who knows ;)

I hope that Hyperion has some good ideas for it?


Thing is, the X1000 already has a bus that is widely used for all manner of exotic things: USB.

Xorro as it stands has only one useful purpose - as a gimmick to help convince fanbois too incurious to know better to part with their cash.

Quote from: utri007;553911

Would it be possible to use it as a real time rendering engine? That would offer cool looking games etc? It wouldn't need to be movie level rendering and still offer something new


Err, not even close, hell even if it could access system ram you essentially have a chip that has roughly the same performance in MIPS as a Pentium Pro, only without an FPU.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: koaftder on April 16, 2010, 07:38:28 PM
Quote from: KimmoK;553905
FYI:
- IMO it's 100% sure that AOS4 will have all the needed xcore developer tools


Spoken like a true zealot who's never seen xmos hardware, never used the tools and doesn't know squat about the situation regarding the XC compiler or the company and developer community using the product. Bravo. Keep praying dude.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on April 16, 2010, 07:49:35 PM
Let's lighten up a bit. Power PC users enjoy your machine. :banana:

Everyone else go back to what you were doing. I'll be hoping on Natami.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 16, 2010, 09:50:06 PM
Quote from: ChuckT;553899
For a microcontroller, XMOS's chips can make 32 Sprites.  I think that is more than the Amiga ever did.  This is probably not the chip but one of their versions has four cores and is capable of 400 mips.

Your point is pointless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5eU8pHpy-c


It isn't really much use if it can't actually write said sprites into the display memory on the graphics card.

And, any modern graphics card will be able to throw around several million sprites by simply mapping their image as a texture onto a pair of edge sharing triangles to make a square.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 16, 2010, 10:17:09 PM
To be honest, I can't really see what the XMOS will be useful for within the machine (as opposed to connecting custom stuff to it), but the rest of the spec seems quite nice for running OS4 on. The DDR2, PCIe and SATA are all reasonably "current" generation stuff so it seems like a decent enough step up from my A1.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: redfox on April 17, 2010, 03:41:31 AM
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Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: persia on April 17, 2010, 04:15:10 AM
I think you are right, the XMOS part is a puzzle.  It seems that XMOS are really designed to go on their own without a more powerful computer tied to them.  I don't the see value of their being mounted onto the motherboard.

It's not a very powerful system but it should do well with a lightweight OS.  Much better if they actually could make use of the second core at some point.  But 'tis enough for the target audience.  For years we've been saying forget about the world and target your core.  When they actually do that we blast them for it.  But it's the way to survive.  It's boutique computing and it works.

Quote from: Karlos;553939
To be honest, I can't really see what the XMOS will be useful for within the machine (as opposed to connecting custom stuff to it), but the rest of the spec seems quite nice for running OS4 on. The DDR2, PCIe and SATA are all reasonably "current" generation stuff so it seems like a decent enough step up from my A1.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: x303 on April 17, 2010, 01:27:58 PM
Hm, I thought the speed was gonna be a lot more than 1.6Ghz. 1.8 isn't exacty that much more.
- 10 usb ports. Who need that much ???
-7.1 channel HD audio. Does OS4.x or any other program support this many channels already ?
- 1x Compact Flash. Why not support sd cards too, by default. Almost any tower has multiple card support nowadays.
And why not use ddr3 ? For a machine that cost that much and still only use ddr2....

And what about wireless ?! Is this gonna be added too ?

:afro:
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: mongo on April 17, 2010, 01:42:45 PM
Quote from: x303;554049
And why not use ddr3 ? For a machine that cost that much and still only use ddr2....


Because you need a memory controller that supports DDR3 if you want to use it.

Besides, there would most likely be absolutely no performance benefit to using DDR3 in this machine.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: persia on April 17, 2010, 01:45:04 PM
The more usb the better in PCs or Macs, but are their drivers for 10 usb devices in OS4?

Audio is supposed to be something handled by the OS, you don't bang the hardware, you let the OS drive the hardware and you don't care what's there.

Yeah, SD cards of pretty much the standard for cameras and have the biggest capacity.

DDR2 seems self defeating, why start with memory that's already out of date?  Things get out of date by themselves pretty quick, why start that way?

Quote from: x303;554049
Hm, I thought the speed was gonna be a lot more than 1.6Ghz. 1.8 isn't exacty that much more.
- 10 usb ports. Who need that much ???
-7.1 channel HD audio. Does OS4.x or any other program support this many channels already ?
- 1x Compact Flash. Why not support sd cards too, by default. Almost any tower has multiple card support nowadays.
And why not use ddr3 ? For a machine that cost that much and still only use ddr2....

And what about wireless ?! Is this gonna be added too ?

:afro:
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 17, 2010, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: persia;554056
DDR2 seems self defeating, why start with memory that's already out of date?  Things get out of date by themselves pretty quick, why start that way?


Sure it is, which is why you absolutely cannot buy any DDR2 motherboards elsewhere. Oh wait... :D

My PC uses DDR3 only. I got it about 18 months ago thinking the death knell for DDR2 had sounded. Since then there have been loads more DDR2 motherboards and DDR2 memory has become ever cheaper and more plentiful.

DDR2 is technically obsolete but in practise it's still widely used. The overall performance gain of DDR3 is not that great in truth. Sure you get faster transfers but then the latencies (in clocks) increase. I expect going from dual to triple channel will make a bigger difference than going from DDR2 to DDR3 in most cases.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: KimmoK on April 17, 2010, 02:54:08 PM
"10 usb ports. Who need that much ???"

For multiplayer games like superskidmarks. ;-)

(but I rather see 8 atari port adapter for xorro, to use legacy digital joystics)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: x303 on April 17, 2010, 03:22:08 PM
Quote from: mongo;554055
Because you need a memory controller that supports DDR3 if you want to use it.

Besides, there would most likely be absolutely no performance benefit to using DDR3 in this machine.
Yeah, but if you make a brand new machine that cost *that* much (even more than some macs) you might suggest it uses the lastest ddr.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Debaser on April 17, 2010, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: x303;554049
Hm, I thought the speed was gonna be a lot more than 1.6Ghz. 1.8 isn't exacty that much more.
- 10 usb ports. Who need that much ???



Ohhh what a great time for a "Spinal Tap" reference....

Sorry. :)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: wawrzon on April 17, 2010, 04:31:43 PM
Quote from: x303;554049

- 10 usb ports. Who need that much ???


i suppose that this indicates again that the board in question is genuinely or primarly meant for something else than running amiga os. there are a lot of strange things about this board, not even as if there were any compromises made, but more as if the board would target a completely different segment and the explanations that have been given, sound like mere excuses, than reflecting actually optimal design decisions made with amiga os and its philosophy in mind. at least it looks to me like that. very much like the sam solution.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: antikk on April 17, 2010, 04:57:45 PM
Whats so strange about 10 usb2 ports???
Just looked at several stationary computers and they almost have the same amount of usb plugs.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: kolla on April 17, 2010, 05:55:01 PM
Quote from: antikk;554078
Whats so strange about 10 usb2 ports?

 The only strange thing about it, is the lack of proper usb-stack in AmigaOS4.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: antikk on April 17, 2010, 06:07:49 PM
Usb will be updated when the x1000 is released. And the only thing from not making it into the update 1 was because they wanted to test it more before releasing it.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: x303 on April 17, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: antikk;554078
Whats so strange about 10 usb2 ports???
Just looked at several stationary computers and they almost have the same amount of usb plugs.
If you wanna use more than x usb ports, use a decent usb hub, but don't just add 10 to the mainboard.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: persia on April 17, 2010, 07:14:41 PM
THis is an interesting group.  This is probably the first time in history any one has winged about too *many* usb ports.  I have only 5 on my Mac and even with bluetooth keyboard and mouse I still am short of ports.  10 is about right.  +1 for A-Eon.

Quote from: x303;554088
If you wanna use more than x usb ports, use a decent usb hub, but don't just add 10 to the mainboard.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: djrikki on April 18, 2010, 09:46:05 AM
Its interesting all this debate about what hardware the new Amiga will come with, but more than anything else I would like to hear what Amiga OS 4.x or 5 will come with as default.

Its all good and well saying to everyone to use application X or do Y you will need to download Z, but so many things come as standard in an operating system these days.  Apart from a web browser as standard which yes most home Windows users would replace with FireFox; there is a huge new of applications and OS features that come bundled. So I am keen to find out what AmigaOS includes and what it plans to support.

Here is a short list of must-supports which shouldn't require additional software to download in no particular order.

*Please in mind I haven't owned an Amiga since circa '97 so of this may already be in there. (Without downloading additional software guys!)

Wireless devices
USB
Mail Application
Address Book
Calendar
All encompassing Picture Viewer that opens anything
TextWrangler or equivalent
Easy scripting language similar to AppleScript (Arexx? Does that read like english?)
PDF Reader
A suite of games, Chess and Backgammon.
FTP Client
Dictionary
Easy system-wide search tool, eg. Spotlight
CD/DVD Player (Blu-Ray doesn't matter it will never take off)
Webcam Support
Multiuser Log-in Support
New colour scheme, window 'feel' and operation with dockbar
A new file requester (god-damn essential!)
Extensive drag 'n' drop support
Sticky note application
Screen Grabber
'You downloaded this application on 18/04/10 at 09:34, link to Url, open application?' ... support
FTP Mounter with read/write
SMB Mounter or preferably Auto-detect, a feature which OSX isn't very clever at
Java Support so we can get such applications like OpenOffice or NeoOffice ported.

----

So there you go.  Perhaps some of this comes with Amiga OS 4.1 already?

Another question I'd like to have answered.  Does Hyperion have an answer to the Apple Developer Connection to assist in future software development?

Finally are there third-party developers that will give Hyperion exclusive rights to embed their software in AmigaOS as a standard feature?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: wawrzon on April 18, 2010, 10:08:00 AM
Quote from: persia;554098
THis is an interesting group.  This is probably the first time in history any one has winged about too *many* usb ports.  I have only 5 on my Mac and even with bluetooth keyboard and mouse I still am short of ports.  10 is about right.  +1 for A-Eon.


even though i agree that its not that bad to have 10 usb ports and i could even find use for most of them (2 alone occupied by lightwave and cubase dongle on my pc + 1 for wifi stick), but then what kind of devices are foreseen for these ports? i do not expect that i can use pc dongled software on x1000? and even then i havent seen many pc boards that sport so much usb ports right there. if i recall right usb 2 was discussed for natami and put away as it might be much cheaper to support existing pci card with a driver that anyway would have been written, something that sounds quite reasonable to me. and what about this compact flash card? who needs something like that inside the case? there is enough cheap and more flexible usb solutions that fit inside 3,5 inch bay. i really dont get it why to make a mainbord that complicated with things an average user might not need. is this going to justify the price?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: antikk on April 18, 2010, 12:02:49 PM
@wawrzon (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=5312)

When you have usb kbd/mouse,usb printer,scanner,usb hds,hand held scanners,etc etc. I see that having the amount of usb ports is a +. Then i don't have to switch between all the usb devices everytime i need to.

@djrikki (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=7514)

A dvd/movie player comes as standard.
Pdf reader aswell.
usb support.
music player aswell.
Might be more,but i don't remember it right now.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: gertsy on April 18, 2010, 12:36:48 PM
And it must have support for my USB Partridge and my USB Pear tree.!!
I'll be so angry if it doesn't.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: kolla on April 18, 2010, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: djrikki;554158

*Please in mind I haven't owned an Amiga since circa '97 so of this may already be in there. (Without downloading additional software guys!)
...
All encompassing Picture Viewer that opens anything

Any program that supports datatypes already does this.

Quote
Easy scripting language similar to AppleScript (Arexx? Does that read like english?)
Why does it matter? Most amiga users are not English. A language that reads more like German would be excellent for a change, lisp with operator at the end instead of at the beginning :lol:

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A new file requester (god-damn essential!)
I dont agree, the ASL requesters are one of the very few things in AmigaOS that holds water - no-nonsense and to the point.

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So there you go.  Perhaps some of this comes with Amiga OS 4.1 already?
Sounds to me that OSX is what you want. I'm quite confident that if you were to sit down with AmigaOS 4.1, you'd be disappointed as heck - it really is not much more than old AmigaOS 3.x ported to powerpc and some bling added :)

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Another question I'd like to have answered.  Does Hyperion have an answer to the Apple Developer Connection to assist in future software development?
Hehe.. nope, they just ramble around on certain websites, like the rest of us.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 18, 2010, 01:59:42 PM
Quote from: kolla;554183
Hehe.. nope, they just ramble around on certain websites, like the rest of us.


http://utilitybase.com/ (http://utilitybase.com/)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: wawrzon on April 18, 2010, 02:24:11 PM
Quote from: Karlos;554193
http://utilitybase.com/ (http://utilitybase.com/)


visiting there on a daliy basis because of warp3d fix thread i have never seen there anyone from hyperion, nor didnt they reply to questions directed to them neither in a thread nor per email.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 18, 2010, 02:48:38 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;554196
visiting there on a daliy basis because of warp3d fix thread i have never seen there anyone from hyperion, nor didnt they reply to questions directed to them neither in a thread nor per email.

I never said it was a "hyperion promoted" site, I offered it as an example of something comparable to Apple Developer Connection for AmigaOS: a site dedicated to development discussion for AmigaOS/descendants.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: djrikki on April 18, 2010, 03:14:15 PM
Quote from: kolla;554183
Any program that supports datatypes already does this.

 Why does it matter? Most amiga users are not English. A language that reads more like German would be excellent for a change, lisp with operator at the end instead of at the beginning :lol:

 I dont agree, the ASL requesters are one of the very few things in AmigaOS that holds water - no-nonsense and to the point.

 Sounds to me that OSX is what you want. I'm quite confident that if you were to sit down with AmigaOS 4.1, you'd be disappointed as heck - it really is not much more than old AmigaOS 3.x ported to powerpc and some bling added :)

 Hehe.. nope, they just ramble around on certain websites, like the rest of us.

1. I didn't mean literally english.  I meant 'basic' like commands and structure, hmm lets make a quick example, it reads very human-like.

set thefolder to choose folder
tell application "Finder"
   set foldercontents to the kind of every file of folder (thefolder)
end tell

result: {"HTML document", "TextWrangler Document", "NeoOffice Document", "Script", "Plain text", "Plain text", "Script", "Portable Network Graphics image", "Workflow", "Plain text", "HTML document", "Plain text"}

2. ASL requesters are crap, can't imagine many people share your love for them as they need some serious work.

3. I already use OSX ^.^.

4. I've installed AROS and taken a look at it and gone through a list of must-haves in AmigaOS.

5. Okay so there is a picture viewer included cool, but I said all-encompassing.  Would I have to download datatypes for something standard these days as a Gif?

Thanks for the quick reply, but I am contributing here to advance the AmigaOS with feature requests and set out what I believe should be bundled as standard.  I am quite content with my current system specs which are Mac Mini and iMac - both intel. :)

Like I said elsewhere I haven't been around Amiga for the last 14 years so I don't share many peoples disbelief and disappointments that it won't progress beyond a hobbyist machine.  With the right investment and marketing it can still go places.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 18, 2010, 03:51:20 PM
Quote from: djrikki;554221
1. I didn't mean literally english.  I meant 'basic' like commands and structure, hmm lets make a quick example, it reads very human-like.

set thefolder to choose folder
tell application "Finder"
   set foldercontents to the kind of every file of folder (thefolder)
end tell

result: {"HTML document", "TextWrangler Document", "NeoOffice Document", "Script", "Plain text", "Plain text", "Script", "Portable Network Graphics image", "Workflow", "Plain text", "HTML document", "Plain text"}


If that's a genuine example then it's both hideous and inconsistent. I mean why have such (tediously) verbose human-friendly language syntax and have the result presented as if it were a C-style declaration of an array of strings?

const char* result[] = { "Foo", "Bar", etc"};  /* look familiar */

After all, proponents of "let's have really human-readable language syntax" usually despise C above all else.

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2. ASL requesters are crap, can't imagine many people share your love for them as they need some serious work.


They're functional and lightweight. Sure there's scope for improvement but I wouldn't say they were crap.

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3. I already use OSX ^.^.


Enjoy it, then. Is there a reason you want every other OS to behave like it?

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4. I've installed AROS and taken a look at it and gone through a list of must-haves in AmigaOS.


AROS is not AmigaOS, it's an AmigaOS clone (for want of a better word). In some respects it's more advanced, in others it's less.

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5. Okay so there is a picture viewer included cool, but I said all-encompassing.


Multiview can open anything you have a datatype for that can be rendered on screen, not just images.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: warpdesign on April 18, 2010, 04:46:26 PM
Quote

Multiview can open anything you have a datatype for that can be rendered on screen, not just images.

Multiview relies on the DataTypes and as such must load everything in memory before displaying anything. How usable to you think it could be usable for videos for example. And why do you think no one uses it for videos today ?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: djrikki on April 18, 2010, 05:16:17 PM
(If that's a genuine example then it's both hideous and inconsistent. I mean why have such (tediously) verbose human-friendly language syntax and have the result presented as if it were a C-style declaration of an array of strings?

const char* result[] = { "Foo", "Bar", etc"};  /* look familiar */)

After all, proponents of "let's have really human-readable language syntax" usually despise C above all else.)


Its not a programming language, its a scripting language (I was originally referring to ARexx?), you don't generally write applications with it.  You use it to say as one example, take a webpage, convert it to a pdf, upload it to a ftp server (usually via unix 'Curl' command) and perhaps inform email users afterwards.

The script that I gave as an example basically opens a file requester, prompting the user for a folder and returns the file types of every folder in it.

Yeah, it is meant to verbose to allow novices to pick it up and learn it.

(Enjoy it, then. Is there a reason you want every other OS to behave like it?)

Yeah I do like it and I don't expect every OS to behave like it, but you must agree that every OS must have a set of widely used and accepted tools as standard?  :-)

(AROS is not AmigaOS, it's an AmigaOS clone (for want of a better word). In some respects it's more advanced, in others it's less.)

I know this and I am sure you are right, I've used it as an example.

--

I haven't done any real hands-on programming for years, I always wanted to get into making games and such like having studied C+ at college many years ago now.  Life took me in a different direction hehe.

Does the programming language Amiga E still exist?  Is it still supported?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: KimmoK on April 18, 2010, 06:16:24 PM
Quote from: x303;554088
If you wanna use more than x usb ports, use a decent usb hub, but don't just add 10 to the mainboard.


It seems that USB hub can cause delay for thing like joystics + it limits the performance, etc...
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: KimmoK on April 18, 2010, 06:18:43 PM
@ x303

So, you would like Amiga companies to develop their own CPUs/SoCs/memory controllers?
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: jorkany on April 18, 2010, 08:21:06 PM
Quote from: djrikki;554158
Another question I'd like to have answered.  Does Hyperion have an answer to the Apple Developer Connection to assist in future software development?

Nope. One of the "fun" things about OS4 is you get zero official support. None, zip, nada. Figure it out on your own, or hope somebody on Amigaworld has an answer.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Tripitaka on April 20, 2010, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: KimmoK;554261
It seems that USB hub can cause delay for thing like joystics + it limits the performance, etc...


10 USB ports is pretty good in my book delays or not. My PC has 10 ports, I use them all:
1)KBrd
2)GFX Tablet
3)X7 G100 Gaming KBrd by A4
4)Vinyl cutter
5)UB Funkeys hub
6)Printer/Scanner
7)Cup Warmer :)
8)XBox 4 Player controller adapter
9)Mulicard reader
10)My spare port for plugging in my phone or my Gamecube or my various other crap.

Just as well I have a spare header on my MOBO or I'd run out!
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: xeron on April 20, 2010, 08:43:24 PM
Quote from: jorkany;554282
Nope. One of the "fun" things about OS4 is you get zero official support. None, zip, nada. Figure it out on your own, or hope somebody on Amigaworld has an answer.


Actually, many of the OS4 dev team and experienced developers are happy to help people with queries on amiga forums, including AW.net or utilitybase. Also hyperion provides help for developers, they just have to ask.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: F1Lupo on April 20, 2010, 08:49:37 PM
Quote from: jorkany;554282
Nope. One of the "fun" things about OS4 is you get zero official support. None, zip, nada. Figure it out on your own, or hope somebody on Amigaworld has an answer.

that's not true at all as both Hyperion and ACube have answered my questions effectively after a few quick emails....of course the community (here, aw, amigans, eab etc) are always helpful too:)
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Karlos on April 20, 2010, 08:58:47 PM
Quote from: xeron;554623
Actually, many of the OS4 dev team and experienced developers are happy to help people with queries on amiga forums, including AW.net or utilitybase. Also hyperion provides help for developers, they just have to ask.


Correct me if I'm wrong, I find it odd that Jorkany would know what sort of support a developer targeting OS4 would get given that s/he's probably never actually developed anything for it.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: wawrzon on April 20, 2010, 09:00:34 PM
@tripitaka: looks to me like a total overkill, lol, why do you need two keybaords at the same time?
speaking of amigas: in my a4k i have a deneb with 4er 3,5ich internal hub built in. dvd writer hangs on the internal port, but this is just a lazy compromise, i havnt seen it woth to buy another acard adapter just to connect it, since i have usb im practically not writing any cds on amiga anymore. on the external hub i have a mouse and ocassionaly a pendrive or another external drive, never used all four at the same time.
the question is also where from the drivers come for all these devices, well, i run poseidon, you? ;D
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: QuikSanz on April 20, 2010, 09:35:33 PM
Hi,

Hmm, I'll bet one or two of those USB ports is on the J-Tag and or the Xorro slot.

Chris
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on April 20, 2010, 10:52:21 PM
There's enough there to play USB tic tac toe.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Tripitaka on April 21, 2010, 12:16:52 AM
Quote from: wawrzon;554628
@tripitaka: looks to me like a total overkill, lol, why do you need two keybaords at the same time?

You asked so I answered:

http://gadgets.softpedia.com/gadgetsImage/The-A4Tech-X7G100-Gaming-Keyboard--1-17429.html

;)

It's fragging great but forget typing with it!
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: persia on April 21, 2010, 02:41:24 AM
But keyboards nowadays are wireless surely.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: Tripitaka on April 21, 2010, 04:59:25 PM
Quote from: persia;554671
But keyboards nowadays are wireless surely.


I'm way too tight to pay for batteries and I prefer a keyboard my bios can see.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: djrikki on April 21, 2010, 05:22:30 PM
Quote from: Tripitaka;554749
I'm way too tight to pay for batteries and I prefer a keyboard my bios can see.


Way too tight for batteries.. me too my TV hasn't had new batteries for over 5 years.  I keep rubbing them, breathing on them or swap them with something else.  I don't believe in batteries this day and age.  A wireless mouse and keyboard is like taking a step back for me.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: som99 on April 21, 2010, 05:34:28 PM
Quote from: persia;554671
But keyboards nowadays are wireless surely.


I hate wireless things, I thought ill give it a chance and bought a Logitech DiNovo set for 200$, well I hated it, I have no problems buying batteries tho I even have 3K+ mAh rechargable batteries but since I do not like the facts i get more delay, my cat/children can press the reconnect button etc. Also it feels like the batteries allways die when I need them the most.

So now that expensive keyboard is only used at the PS3.

I will never ever spend more money on things that are wireless, im not disturbed by cords.
Title: Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
Post by: jorkany on April 23, 2010, 05:49:08 PM
Quote from: Karlos;554627
Correct me if I'm wrong, I find it odd that Jorkany would know what sort of support a developer targeting OS4 would get given that s/he's probably never actually developed anything for it.

Not so odd actually. Anyone can observe what happens when an OS4 user needs help, the forums are the beginning and end of OS4 support. Take this thread for example, there have been many like it over the years:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=31385&forum=15

Hyperion has nothing even remotely close to resembling the level of support found for other OSes, a few examples are below. This relates more to the question I originally responded to:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
http://developer.apple.com/
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Developer/Docs
http://www.ubuntu.com/support
...etc. etc. you get the idea!

Someone a few posts up mentioned that developers can ask Hyperion for help. While it's true that I don't use OS4, I have heard from people who have used it and I also know that contacting Hyperion is no guarantee of any support, or even a response. You're better off on the forums. Even most flavors of Linux go beyond this nowdays.