A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4

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I'm not sure if I interpret this part correctly:

Does this mean that the £28.85 will be rebated if/when you get the OS 4.2 license?

Also, does one get a coupon and a t-shirt?

No, you get driver for OS 4.1

OS 4.2 should have it bundled.

If InI get it correct.

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There goes my plans to buy a 460 if I have to pay for gfx drivers.

Oh well.

Mine too, just because X1000 is more expandable. 10 USB 2.0, much more expandable board once PCI slots get empty ...

InI know this will be flamming to MOS users, but InI also congrat them on first laptop and new OS version with hope to have it for X1000.

All PPC Macs are cheap but all but G5 are outdated to X1000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD5x263GTuo&list=PL99B59D587FFAEA6A&index=44&feature=plpp_video

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Big Up A-EON for securing the future of AMIGA GRAPHICS


Love and support from Serbia

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I don't know why you decided to bring this up in this thread, but I found out that my PowerBook G4 1.67GHz is actually faster than X1000 in most tasks. I also have some benchmark results to back this up.

If being "outdated" means "faster", as well as "cheaper", where's the problem again? Support? I doubt A-Eon or Amigakit can compete with apple repair network...

Currently yes, but hardware side is hardware side. On Debian Wheezy where all RAM and both cores are utilized test are more realistic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZxJ9If50Tk&feature=player_embedded

Do them.
MorphOS is way more developed and optimized, thanks to much earlier start of development and no waste of time in complete OS 3.x port to PPC.

I have nothing against MOS, contrary I am sad its not OS 4.x just because we would be closer to OS 5.x if it was and we wouldnt argue at all. When I had momey to buy PPC equipped Classic MOS 2.x ceased support, when Peg2 became cheap SAM and other new HW arrived and now I do save money for X1000 as well as PPC Macs have no battery or spare parts support at all, and are with with AGP, slow mem, EIDE ATA etc.

MOS should go X1000 and Trevor can donate a board.

Apple repair net no longer deals with anything PPC for few years, so A-EON and AmiKit are better
then 3rd party rip offs that charge $200 for laptop battery.

I recently had PPC G4 Laptop selling for 50 euros with no battery and I declined the offer when realized
how much 512MB additional RAM and battery costs + postage + import costs to non EU country
(plus 100 euros for MOS). Even I would love to have Mint 11, MacOS X and MOS on one machine,
I prefered high end workstation with OS 4.2 and Mint 11

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And what do we get "right now" is what matters (as I remember this was the argument for going for the payment scheme for these 2D drivers, too. To get them out "right now" instead of waiting). I can run Linux on some 6 core i7 box. Who cares about linux...

This is my last OT message regarding this particular topic in this thread. You can PM me vox if you wish to discuss this further.

I do care about MINT and that is only way to get proper and comparable tests. This ones are abused for CUSA propaganda (see Italian blog on OS 4 counter information). MOS is superior to OS 4 as software, no doubt about it, as there is no doubt X1000 is way better system then any current MOS.

I do use Mint 13 on two dual core x64 and its way faster then any Windows and CommodoreOS, and enjoy every step of it. Linux is world No2 OS and Mint is number 3 or 4.

I dont say there are no spare parts (how long is questionable) but that there is no customer care (e.g. someone that will do all the work not only sell parts) and no matter how cheap its risky cause repairs are rip off. You mentioned Apple customer care, truth is there is none. I asked Apple Serbia, they can just sell me mouse for extreme price.

No we won't go for such insane HW, sorry. Insanely expensive, not providing significantly better performance and a dead end product (PA6T is dead and X1000 is likely already in the process of being replaced with something else). Thanks, but no thanks, I can think dozens of better ways to spend our resources than wasting it on this dead corpse of a computer.

as you like it, but OS with no new hardware will also be seen as dead.
Think about that. SInce no G5 MOS, this is G5 system.

Try getting support for X1000 after 7 years.

Its 2011 system, so will speak in 2018, no prob. PA Semi CPU is tricky
but cool and efficient CPUs dont die daily.

On the other hand look at the prices of the phase5 hardware for instance. They go higher than original price these days. Custom HW just doesn't make any sense.

X1000 is right priced when compared to SAM 460. And cost less then original G5 Mac when sold new. That is only fair comparison.

Ignore facts, but X1000 is great system, and its just hurting MOS that MOS doesnt support it. Rethink it, most of X1000 users could love to have faster AmigaOS derivative, knowing it was first PPC AmigaOS ever.


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This is my last OT message regarding this particular topic in this thread. You can PM me vox if you wish to discuss this further

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No need for PM to you, PM if you believe this is propaganda, and please do MINT tests. You can run Mint 11 on all PPC Macs and X1000
64 bit on X1000, 32 bit on MacsPPC, just to get the right tech use.

http://www.mintppc.org/content/user-experiences
http://www.mintppc.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=14&sid=f2735d11652263bdce6ff6341813fe07

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newegg.com has new aftermarket powerbook batteries for $60 and add $30 for ram.  so for the price of the x1000 you could have what 4 spares?   That includes the price of Morphos on each spare.

True, but would take 25% of my X1000 saving budget. Its not worth of it. And I already have x64 laptop, I am looking for strong PPC desktop to run MInt 11 and AmigaOS 4.2 on it, and that is X1000.

X1000 should be compared to original PPC Mac G5 class hardware PRICE WHEN IT WAS FIRST SHOWN or SAM 460, that is only fair comparison, dont you think?

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Way better? No doubt? :lol:

G5 CPU, DDR2, SATA2,PCI-E 16x ... most of Macs until 2006 never made it to that, and Peg2 is far behind

It costs $3,000+ and we could have stopped there really, since there would be no need to go further in comparisons after that nuclear bomb argument. But since you seem to have some comprehension issues - it's 2005 performance, the 1/20 priced Mac's running MorphOS beats it in tests, the X1000 could probably go into Guinness Book of Records as the worst bang for the buck ratio hardware in 2012.

True, but when compared to original G5 Macs its cheap, and when compared to SAM 460 its reasonably priced.

The X1000 is killing OS4, and it's funny that you are so blind you can't even see it. I'm glad they're not letting MorphOS get dragged down as well. Going the mainstream way was the right way to go, we know that now.

How can high end machine kill the OS? We just need low end machine.
MOS is not mainstream too, and good news of RadeonHD driver bring more mainstream abilities to OS4.

What if something similar to MAI/Articia S arises? There is no way they could replace/fix all boards like Genesi did with the April fix, they can't even afford to make their product available in the normal way! The only way for them would be to do like the previous AmigaOne company did, make a tantrum post at AW.net, take their money, and leave forever. Afraid of your Mac breaks down?

Yes, afraid my Mac brokes down. You are making many wild guesses here, and why is preordering of expensive hardware in batches such extraordinary thing, when all AmigaOne and SAM hardware was produced in batches?

 

Just get spare one, and you still have paid only 2/20th of the X1000 price. That's how "risky" Mac's are. There are hordes of them, they costs virtually nothing, they perform like an X1000, and if one breaks down, get another. It's mainstream HW.

Do tests on Mint and I will believe it performs the same, if tests show so.

PPC *is* dead!

Obviously insnt yet, its just expensive.

The only thing about X1000 that is "G5" is that it's 64-bit (something OS4 can't utilize anyway); otherwise it performs like G4 macs.

Go and read PA Semi CPU characteristics. Yes, it also opens a way for 64 bit AmigaOS.

X1000 is utterly redundant to MorphOS. Get over it!

MOS decision is not to utilize it. I say its deeply wrong because for mainstream audience no new hardware means dead OS. Therefore, AmigaOS now has better promo oportunities even being less developed then MOS.

His request to take the discussion to PM instead, was in order to keep this thread on topic, which you obviously refused. OK, have it your way...

Well this is also part of X1000 saqa: MOS users trying to prove X1000 is crap and OS4 users trying to say its best Amiga so far.

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Personally, I want to see how this system will compare to a Powerbook running MorphOS 3.0.
Will it have wireless drivers, will the video driver support 2D/3D acceleration, how fast is the processor, etc.

If you talk about netbook it will never reach PowerBook performance, its better compared to Efika. It would be good to have all mentioned drivers before release, and my wild guess is these are the main reasons why it is not shown (at best it would be like first public demo of OS 4 on X1000)

With much respect to MOS development and choice of hardware, why is it so hard to see X1000 superiority purely from hardware side? There is no such PPC system avail at all. And it will take much time for OS4 to catch up, from real USB 2.0 to dual core and 64-bit but hardware makes it possible.

Only damn thing is the price tag, which will make me save for quite long time to even think of that adventure.

When I say used Macs make OS look dead I mean there can be no promo of new system that will appear as news, and no such bundled promo in today capitalism driven system means no existance at all. Off course those who really want it will find the way to MorphOS, but remember how better MOS was doing when it had Genesi and Pegasos and Efika boards.

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An 11 year old 9200 isn't much of an option for a modern PPC Amiga like the X1000.

I had one in my SAM 440ep and took it out cause it wasn't any better than the onboard, tbh.  That being said, I don't watch videos on the machine.

No RadeonHD is way faster in 2D, something can be done via Wazp3D and Composting and when full 3D comes it will be fastest ever on Amiga

Patience, my dear Watson (or young Padawan?)

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Jupp3 said:

The X1000 has shown similar CPU performance as the upper G4 Macs. Forget 1080p. 720p should be possible though, with overlay of course!

:lol:

Again, do tests under e.g. Mint 11 or Debian Squeeze on both G4 Mac and dual core PA Semi, and let us know of results. MOS vs OS4 isnt realistic just because MOS is way better optimized, so you cant tell it is up to the hardware.