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Re: Wordworth Woes
« Reply #14 from previous page: January 05, 2021, 10:28:44 PM »
I am wondering would using Native.lha from Aminet have anything to do with this, I use this in replacement of FBlit as per Hyperion's recommendations for using OS 3.1.4

This is all I could capture full screen before crash, the trouble is Wordworth pops up in front of SnoopDOS so I am having to click back on SnoopDOS before it crashes.. once again empty log file



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Re: Wordworth Woes
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2021, 02:33:01 AM »
I just did a test install of WW5 on a clean 3.1.4.1 installation under UAE - no problems, and it's a much "cleaner" install than I remembered. Meaning it put a lot less junk on SYS: than I thought it would, and I don't think it replaced any system files. Sorry for the misinformation about that!

So it looks likely that some other element of your system is conflicting with WW. What screenmode are you using for your Workbench screen? What other utilities do you have in WBStartup or user-startup? I gave the Native P96 tool a try under UAE and it didn't seem to cause any problems, so it's probably something else that's responsible.

Please also post the tooltypes you have on the WW icon.

Also, FYI, I'm attaching a SnoopDos log of WW successfully starting on my 3.1.4.1 UAE test system.
 

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Re: Wordworth Woes
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2021, 09:56:01 PM »
The screenmode of my Workbench is DBLPAL High Res No Flicker at 128 colours - using Native.lha / Picasso 96 tool this leaves me about 1.6Mb chip RAM on startup on normal AGA.
I have MUI 3.8 installed and BestWB.
WBStartup - AssignWedge, WBDock, ClickToFront, NoClick, FullPOallette.starter & TitleShadow.starter, BenchTrash



Wordworth settings below:





User Startup:


Quote


;BEGIN Picasso96
Assign Picasso96: "Work:Picasso96"
;END Picasso96




;BEGIN ADPro & MorphPlus
Assign ADPRO: "Work:ADPro"
Assign ADP_FRED: "Work:ADPro"
Assign ADPROSCRIPTS: "Work:ADPro/Commands2"
Assign FREDSCRIPTS: "Work:ADPro/FREDScripts"
;END ADPro & MorphPlus
;BEGIN Personal Paint
Assign >NIL: PPaint: Work:PPaint
;END Personal Paint
;BEGIN DeluxePaintV
Assign DPaintV: "Work:DPaintV" defer
;END DeluxePaintV
;BEGIN Photogenics-SE
assign pgsse: "WORK:Photogenics-SE"
;END Photogenics-SE
;BEGIN MUI
if exists "Workbench:MUI"
   assign MUI: "Workbench:MUI"
   if exists MUI:Libs
      assign add LIBS: MUI:Libs
   endif
   if exists MUI:Locale
      assign add LOCALE: MUI:Locale
   endif
   version >nil: exec.library 39
   if not warn
      if exists MUI:Docs
         if exists HELP:dummy ; do not remove
         endif                ; this entry!
         assign add HELP: MUI:Docs
      endif
   endif
endif
;END MUI
;BEGIN ActivateCrossIDEfix
ActivateCrossIDEfix ALL
;END ActivateCrossIDEfix
;BEGIN CacheCDFS
;END CacheCDFS


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Re: Wordworth Woes
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2021, 09:09:45 PM »
Well, the standard troubleshooting routine is to disable  those things one at a time and see if it makes a difference. FullPalette, TitleShadow, and ActivateCrossIDEfix jump out as possible culprits. Are you running a regular desktop 1200 with a single hard drive? I'm wondering if ActivateCrossIDEfix is even necessary.

Tooltypes look okay.
 

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Re: Wordworth Woes
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2021, 01:19:38 AM »
You are not going to believe this but I tried de-activating each of those and it is still crashing the same way.
I have even disabled Picasso96 and it still crashing, I am completely at a loss now - it cant be the partition being over a gig as it does the same on my 995Mb Workbench partition...

I have installed FinalWriter 97...
When I get chance I can always install WW5 to floppy and access my old files and convert them to another format...

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Re: Wordworth Woes
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2021, 11:49:11 PM »
Have just removed Native from the system and viola... Wordworth is working fine! So much for it offering a more stable system...
Works fine if I go back to FBlit however my chip RAM is down to 1.2megs in the same screenmode which isn't very good, certainly not worth the handicap just to run one application..  so I will convert my files from WW to another format then go back to using Native with FinalWriter97 for the time being. I might give AmigaWriter a go once I get a faster setup.

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Re: Wordworth Woes
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2021, 01:42:24 AM »
Strange... glad you got it working, though.

Are you using intuition.library v45? In my UAE test system I'm still using intuition v40, and I was also emulating an A2000 instead of an A1200. I wonder if those variables in combination with Native were responsible?
 

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Re: Wordworth Woes
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2021, 10:09:44 AM »
I hope this isn’t classed as hijacking a thread. But I logged in this morning, quite literally with the intention of starting a thread with the same title as this one.


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Amiga 500+
TF536
1Mb chip ram expansion with RTC clock (Amigakit)
8GB HD
WB 3.1.4.1

The issue:

Wordworth 6 & 7
Drawing shapes function

I feel bad for the OP, as I have not had an issue running the word processor, my issue only crops up when I try to use a particular feature.

Over Christmas I was trying to make some Christmas present tags, I thought it would be an easy job. Draw a box, insert a field for FROM & TO. However I soon discovered I had one massive issue. Once I had drawn a box, I doubled clicked to bring up the properties. As soon as I click to change the colour, the screen locks up.

Additional info
Having made an image of my HD, I replicated my system in WinUAE and this freeze up also happens on an emulated setup.


 

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Re: Wordworth Woes
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2021, 09:28:40 PM »
Strange... glad you got it working, though.

Are you using intuition.library v45? In my UAE test system I'm still using intuition v40, and I was also emulating an A2000 instead of an A1200. I wonder if those variables in combination with Native were responsible?


Quite possibly, I am using version 45.
It did work but I am going to back to Native/FinalWriter, it gives me more available memory on the system.


I have a copy of AmigaWriter 2.2 here but minimum requirements are an 030 so I will have to wait until the Vampire arrives...


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Re: Wordworth Woes
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2021, 06:27:23 AM »
Is thiere a functionality reason for having P96 on a real Amiga that doesn't have 24 bit graphics?

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