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Offline kolla

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2020, 03:54:03 PM »
HDF is a bit cumbersome for anyone who just want to try it out - again, an archive one can pack out to a ready boot partition is the easiest.

I have downloaded your UAE distro, I can use it to make an archive and then try it on real hardware...
(just moved the V500v2 to an A500, can try it there, as well as on A1200 with Blizzard 1260)
B5D6A1D019D5D45BCC56F4782AC220D8B3E2A6CC
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A3000/060CSPPC+CVPPC/128MB + 256MB BigRAM/Deneb USB
A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM460 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2020, 12:10:12 AM »
on V2 it does not boot yet..

there is a timing problem regarding IDE. I have talked to Gunnar, perhaps there is a workaround by booting slowly that could be activated in a special rom (turtle mode). We will see
 

Offline kolla

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2020, 10:04:54 PM »
Well, I have my tricks... a floppy with LoadModule and scsi.device, same trick I use on MiST(er).

But holy moly, this is a huge archive and way beyond anything I would want to install :)

Btw - C:lha is not what you think it is - it looks like you downloaded LhA.run from Aminet, without testing it - it is a self extracting archive and not a ready to run LhA :)  For a distro, you should unpack it and copy the Lha_68k (from what I recall) to C:LhA.
B5D6A1D019D5D45BCC56F4782AC220D8B3E2A6CC
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A3000/060CSPPC+CVPPC/128MB + 256MB BigRAM/Deneb USB
A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM460 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2020, 12:44:08 PM »
hello Kolla

we just try to identify the problem why aros not runs on V2

you said same trick as on mist

how exactly do you make aros running on V2? Perhaps it helps to identify the problematic part

is it running as responsive as on V2? And thanks for the hint with lha... I will look at it

BTW the archive is blown up by docs (for legal reasons, extras/docs can be deleted). The HDF also is only partly needed and empty. Really needed are 175 MB.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2020, 12:48:31 PM by OlafS3 »
 

Offline kolla

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2020, 12:10:35 PM »
hello Kolla

we just try to identify the problem why aros not runs on V2

you said same trick as on mist

how exactly do you make aros running on V2? Perhaps it helps to identify the problematic part

is it running as responsive as on V2?

Not sure I understand your last question - is AROS running as responsive on V2 as on V2?? Or do you mean MiSTer?

The "trick", as I wrote, to use a floppy (or in case of Minimig/MiST/MiSTer, a floppy image) that has LoadModule and a genuine AmigaOS scsi.device on it. Once AROS kickstart is loaded, boot from this floppy, and use LoadModule to load the genuine AmigaOS scsi.device, and presto... suddenly AROS sees the IDE disk and can boot from partitions.

This worked a couple of years ago on the V600, but with current AROS 68k "nightly" build, the AROSBootStrap on the boot floppy fails 8000 000B on all systems I have tried, regardless of FPU is present or not, including the Vampire cards and also with FS-UAE. I found an old AROS boot floppy that used to work in 2017, but with current Apollo Core, it just puts up a gray screen on the native RGB output, so I don't know what has happened. Floppy drive is active though, and it appears to boot from it, but it doesn't reboot, which indicates that something doesn't work with the LoadModule either currently...  so, meh.
B5D6A1D019D5D45BCC56F4782AC220D8B3E2A6CC
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A3000/060CSPPC+CVPPC/128MB + 256MB BigRAM/Deneb USB
A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM460 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline TribbleSmasher

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2020, 12:24:17 PM »
I'm playing around with the image in UAE right now.
It is really not easy to make an LHA archive out of it, as it is massivly bloated atm.
The C directory alone holds more than 500 files, audio samples and what not. I keep digging... ;)
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2020, 12:57:22 PM »
you can delete docs in extras directory (only for UAE download)

it is only included for legal reasons but not needed

then it is only 175 MB
« Last Edit: April 04, 2020, 01:02:29 PM by OlafS3 »
 

Offline TribbleSmasher

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2020, 12:59:48 PM »
I tried to dragndrop copy the System to the empty Work partition, but not everything got copied correctly, like icons have different sizes.

And DOpus refuses to change screen resolution.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2020, 01:00:32 PM by TribbleSmasher »
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2020, 01:03:14 PM »
no that should work. Change screen resolution, save it and reboot
 

Offline TribbleSmasher

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2020, 01:27:14 PM »
I also deleted additional sounds again from /Devs.. and everything big in C requiring ixemul and some weird players that just crash. still alot to go.
I am doing this in an 3.1.4 environment, as Aros itself doesn't seem to cope reliably with copying/deleting stuff.
Still the system folders are massive... I am down to 97MB atm.

Can i assume anything ELF is useless on 68k?
« Last Edit: April 04, 2020, 01:29:17 PM by TribbleSmasher »
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2020, 01:33:21 PM »
name one example for such a file...

extras can be removed (except desktops of course) if you want
 

Offline TribbleSmasher

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2020, 01:35:25 PM »
c:addr2line
c:AmiLua
c:ar
...

lots of.
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2020, 01:41:44 PM »
Amilua is from aros contribs and is 68k
 

Offline TribbleSmasher

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2020, 01:51:18 PM »
Yeah. i don't know how this works. I believed anything ELF is PPC stuff maybe.
Anyway, wrote a little tool to find those:
Code: [Select]
UDH0:Classes/Zune/Urltext.mcp
UDH0:Classes/Zune/Urltext.mcc
UDH0:Classes/Zune/Popplaceholder.mcc
UDH0:Classes/Gadgets/bgui_treeview.gadget
UDH0:Classes/Gadgets/bgui_popbutton.gadget
UDH0:Classes/Gadgets/bgui_palette.gadget
UDH0:Classes/Gadgets/bgui_layoutgroup.gadget
UDH0:Classes/Gadgets/bgui_bar.gadget
UDH0:Classes/DataTypes/targa.datatype
UDH0:C/ZipSplit
UDH0:C/ZipNote
UDH0:C/ZipCloak
UDH0:C/Zip
UDH0:C/xadUnTar
UDH0:C/xadUnFile
UDH0:C/xadUnDisk
UDH0:C/xadList
UDH0:C/xadLibInfo
UDH0:C/xad2lha
UDH0:C/UnZipSfx
UDH0:C/UnZip
UDH0:C/ShellPlayer
UDH0:C/RexxMast
UDH0:C/rexx
UDH0:C/regina
UDH0:C/Installer
UDH0:C/fUnZip
UDH0:C/exe2arc
UDH0:C/dbwrender
UDH0:C/bcubic
UDH0:C/bc
UDH0:C/basename
UDH0:C/base64
UDH0:C/asimplex
UDH0:C/aroach
UDH0:C/ar
UDH0:C/AmiLua
UDH0:C/addr2line
UDH0:boot/amiga/aros.elf
UDH0:System/RexxMast
UDH0:Libs/xmp.library
UDH0:Libs/bgui.library

(it is my already cleaned up system:, btw.)
« Last Edit: April 04, 2020, 01:53:10 PM by TribbleSmasher »
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Short information about Aros and V4
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2020, 02:09:22 PM »
I see lots of aros 68k files there