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Offline nbache

Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #510 on: December 14, 2019, 08:39:09 PM »
It seems that Danish has more complicated rules for case-insensitive string comparison as it has a separate function for it, and does not use the generic ANSI comparison for it. I do not know why.
I believe it has to do with where our national letters æøå and their upper case equivalents ÆØÅ are in the Latin-1 (ISO-8859-1) codeset, which makes it necessary to be more explicit when defining the case conversions and the sorting rules.

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Niels

Offline Orphan264

Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #511 on: December 14, 2019, 09:25:36 PM »
You invite people messing with you. And you know what? It works. We wanted IDE splitters to work with your scsi.device and after refusing and refusing you gave in and gave us exactly what to make it happen.

Sheeesh! You'd think a simple "Thank You, Thomas !" would be in order. There are some really nasty, ungrateful people in this thread.

Thank you, Thomas, for attempting to support a third-party product - on which you are not required to spend any time! Some people appreciate it very much!

Offline kolla

Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #512 on: December 14, 2019, 09:29:44 PM »
It seems that Danish has more complicated rules for case-insensitive string comparison as it has a separate function for it, and does not use the generic ANSI comparison for it. I do not know why.
I believe it has to do with where our national letters æøå and their upper case equivalents ÆØÅ are in the Latin-1 (ISO-8859-1) codeset, which makes it necessary to be more explicit when defining the case conversions and the sorting rules.
Right, and the same is the case for many other languages too, including Norwegian, Swedish, and even German. Yet...

As I said, the Danish translator seems to have been more thorough than his colleagues.
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Offline CBH

Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #513 on: December 14, 2019, 09:48:36 PM »
Sheeesh! You'd think a simple "Thank You, Thomas !" would be in order. There are some really nasty, ungrateful people in this thread.

I don't have to be thankful to him at all, it's a product I will get in exchange for money. Do you stand in the supermarket thanking all the staff?
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guest11527

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Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #514 on: December 14, 2019, 10:50:38 PM »
I don't have to be thankful to him at all, it's a product I will get in exchange for money. Do you stand in the supermarket thanking all the staff?
In case you don't get it: 3.2 as well as 3.1.4 is developed by unpaid volunteers.
 
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Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #515 on: December 14, 2019, 10:53:45 PM »
Right, and the same is the case for many other languages too, including Norwegian, Swedish, and even German. Yet...
The lower/upper case for ISO-Latin-1 is easily resolved, and it is language-independent. If bit 5 is set, it is lower case. So it's not quite that simple.

Offline CBH

Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #516 on: December 14, 2019, 10:56:18 PM »
I don't have to be thankful to him at all, it's a product I will get in exchange for money. Do you stand in the supermarket thanking all the staff?
In case you don't get it: 3.2 as well as 3.1.4 is developed by unpaid volunteers.

And that is because you are stupid enough to allow Hyperion to exploit you.
 

guest11527

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Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #517 on: December 14, 2019, 10:59:02 PM »
We wanted IDE splitters to work with your scsi.device and after refusing and refusing you gave in and gave us exactly what to make it happen.
No, I didn't. The code in the device is experimental and not ready for automated activation. Remind me the next time you complain.

guest11527

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Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #518 on: December 14, 2019, 11:01:42 PM »
And that is because you are stupid enough to allow Hyperion to exploit you.
So you believe it would be all better if we would drop the stuff and let the Os rot, right? Please let me know in how far this improves the situation.

Offline Tygre

Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #519 on: December 14, 2019, 11:11:44 PM »
I don't have to be thankful to him at all, it's a product I will get in exchange for money. Do you stand in the supermarket thanking all the staff?
In case you don't get it: 3.2 as well as 3.1.4 is developed by unpaid volunteers.

And that is because you are stupid enough to allow Hyperion to exploit you.

Another entitled user who uses insult because it cannot code :'(

Courage Thomas!

Offline CBH

Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #520 on: December 14, 2019, 11:57:23 PM »
So you believe it would be all better if we would drop the stuff and let the Os rot, right? Please let me know in how far this improves the situation.

I believe that if a private business wants you to do something to make them money then they should pay you to do it. The OS isn't a homeless person needing help or any other kind of charity case, it's just old computer stuff. Nobody is stuck in a coma since CBM died, needing new OS version to wake them up. Rather it's the opposite of that, completely unimportant.
 

Offline rxxic

Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #521 on: December 15, 2019, 05:28:21 AM »
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[..] because you are stupid enough to allow Hyperion to exploit you. [..] I believe that if a private business wants you to do something to make them money then they should pay you to do it.

And that grants you the right to call him stupid? What do you exactly mean by that anyway, that he is not intelligent or that he does lack common sense?
Personlally, I don't think he lacks any.

If he likes to code and wants to use his skills to improve something why would would we, or you in this case, arrogate to personally attack him?

Even more so, as per your own words this OS is completely unimportant.

I would love to see my suggestions implemented, because, probably like him too, there is something in us (us a general term) that likes perfection. And maybe that is what he is trying to work towards to. To take this old OS to a state where it is--without altering or taking it too far from what it is--as bugfree and perfect as possible.
His ideas might very well be different than mine or yours, that does not make it right to show inapropriate behaviour towards him.
Like others said already, if it is so important to you, learn the skills do what he had to do and try to join the development team.

Or next time when that anger boils up in you, just remember yourself

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The OS isn't a homeless person needing help or any other kind of charity case, it's just old computer stuff. Nobody is stuck in a coma since CBM died, needing new OS version to wake them up. Rather it's the opposite of that, completely unimportant.
 
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Offline rxxic

Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #522 on: December 15, 2019, 05:50:05 AM »

@kolla

thank you for your help in post #507.
I knew how to use the "Date" and "SetDate" commands. You probably know that, but what I was asking in my then previous post was if I was doing something wrong in entering the date as
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Quote from Thomas Richter  Reply #490 on: December 13, 2019, 05:10:09 PM
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Quote from: rxxic on December 13, 2019, 04:22:13 PM

    Will SetDate and Date be able to use the date format set in locale too, or will it--for consistency reason--force everybody using the shell to use a foreign format?

Why "will"? Date and Setdate use StrToDate from the dos.library, and this function is patched over by the locale.library since a long time. It accepts input in the current locale since WB 2.1, I would say.
But turns out, there was some incorrect information in the help text.
IMHO it would be nice if the shell would reflect the date format of the rest of the system but it's also ok if it is not.

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And, as mentioned you can du superduper useful things like
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Date Gestern
Date Morgens

to jump the system time back and forth.

I have no idea what the usecase is for the above ways of setting system time.
mmh.. maybe if you are coding in a night session, fall into a microsleep just around midnight, while typing and, oh dear when you push the save button it is today already. But as a perfectionist with maybe some OCD you want the date of the file to be "yesterday".. So here it comes.
I could imagine it happened often during the early OS development phases, often enough for the early gods to implement that option! :D
 

Offline kolla

Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #523 on: December 15, 2019, 08:32:29 AM »
mmh.. maybe if you are coding in a night session, fall into a microsleep just around midnight, while typing and, oh dear when you push the save button it is today already. But as a perfectionist with maybe some OCD you want the date of the file to be "yesterday".. So here it comes.
I could imagine it happened often during the early OS development phases, often enough for the early gods to implement that option! :D

LOL! :D

I think it is more of a side effect of Date using dos.library, it just accepts whatever dos.library manage to interpret as some sort of time stamp :)

Anyways - the unmentioned program in this hoopla, is SYS:Prefs/Time...
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A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
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Offline kolla

Re: Os 3.2 development preview
« Reply #524 on: December 15, 2019, 08:34:19 AM »

Thank you, Thomas, for attempting to support a third-party product

More like... I don't know 5-7, perhaps more, third party products, plus quite a few "homebrew" projects? :)
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A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM460 and Mac minis with MorphOS