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Offline Rotzloeffel

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2019, 07:31:01 AM »
Works for me on an 68030 Amiga 1200.. but is slow as hell to a point it's unusable!

On these slow machines, I recommend to use a small Raspberry PI with SSLSTRIP installed. You are then able to use the PI as a Proxy-Server with port 10000 on your Amiga. The Raspberry will "decode" the SSL-encryption and you can use normal http:// instead of https:// with gives you much more higher Performance on the Amiga.

also usefull for faster machines :)
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Offline Primax

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2019, 05:08:47 PM »
This actually is not a solution (at least for me) because I want to use the browser on my real Amiga.
I do also have an Amiga1200 with Blizzard 1230-IV, 128 MB RAM and SSD.
I have been playing around with Netsurf since the early versions. And I must agree with QBit: This version is by far the most slowly one.
But first the good points: https-support again works! This is very important otherwise not usable.  Thank you very much for fixing it!
And: Netsurf is very stable - except the the Guru message which appears after quitting Netsurf.

In order to have figures which are comparable I always test which time Netsurf takes to load amiga-news.de and the Aminet website.
Loading the Aminet website takes - like the previous versions - about 35 seconds. Of course loading animations and any kind of pictures disabled.
But for loading amiga-news.de - a https connection - now Netsurf takes more than 110 seconds.

Except for the loading time: If I have scrolled the website - the Aminet website I have to scroll vertically and horizontally while amiga-news.de at least I have only to scroll down - it takes several seconds for displaying the final view. This is sobering.

Please do not get me wrong: I know I have an old and slow system. And I am really delighted that I get this new browser running on my system at all. I would use it more often if e.g. such a "simple text website" like Aminet (html 4, no pictures, no animations) would be loaded in at least 10 seconds.
 

Offline chris

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2019, 12:50:57 PM »
I've just remembered that there is a patch I put on locally for 020 optimisation. This won't have that. I'll have to push it to master.
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Offline chris

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2019, 11:53:20 PM »
I've just remembered that there is a patch I put on locally for 020 optimisation. This won't have that. I'll have to push it to master.

Next build after 4720 hopefully will have the speed back again.

I'd completely forgotten I'd made a local change which never made it to the repo.  I think I was warned off it because the compiler should be built with the correct default options, but as nobody could tell me how to do that I never managed to figure out how.  Hence this optimisation got a bit lost  :-\
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Offline Primax

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2019, 10:53:28 AM »
I just installed the latest build 4769. But I must say that I could not notice any speed improvements (Aminet 35 seconds, amiga-news.de 110 sec).
Have you already added the optimisation?
By the way: Is there any changelog for each single build?
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2019, 10:19:34 PM »
It is faster with 68030 than 68060.  Tested Blizzard 68060 os 3.1.4 installed top of 3.9 and Apollo 68060 os 3.9.
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Offline Kawazu

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2019, 08:57:17 PM »
Would love if this browser would "work" its just to slow compared to iBrowse, locksup on 9/10 pages i try and i just super slow.
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Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2019, 10:43:45 PM »
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Would love if this browser would "work" its just to slow compared to iBrowse, locksup on 9/10 pages i try and i just super slow.

It used to be fast with 68060, now it is as you say super slow. I have very similar experiences with it.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline vince_6

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2019, 03:35:44 PM »
I know it's slow but there is no comparison with IBrowse.
The second loads 5% of a page and most of the times completely wrong.
It is a miracle that this works in an 030.
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Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2019, 10:22:43 PM »
:D and it is faster with 68030 than with 68060. Some times I get to amiga.org forums, some times not. But it renders forums frontpage 3-5 minits if it doesn't give time out or just get unresponsive.

It used to be 23-30 seconds.

Comparing just pure CPU power and your results, amiga.org should render about 23-30 seconds, like it used to do.

iBrowse just doesn't renders pages, it has very limited html support these days and I 99% sure that these results woun't get much faster.

Netsurf 68k would require some "special love", in current form it is useless. Though I haven't tested it with UAE.



ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline chris

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2019, 12:34:19 AM »
I just installed the latest build 4769. But I must say that I could not notice any speed improvements (Aminet 35 seconds, amiga-news.de 110 sec).
Have you already added the optimisation?

Yes, and all the libs look to be rebuilt  :(

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By the way: Is there any changelog for each single build?

Yes, you can get them by clicking the build number on Jenkins. eg, https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/view/NetSurf/job/netsurf/4818/ is the info for 4818.
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Offline treqie

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2019, 09:09:29 AM »
Weird thought, how about a long listing of features in the engine, where you could enable/disable stuff? So you can, at your choosing, break and/or speed up the loading of a website.. :p
 

Offline chris

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2019, 11:46:01 PM »
Weird thought, how about a long listing of features in the engine, where you could enable/disable stuff? So you can, at your choosing, break and/or speed up the loading of a website.. :p

I think that's the "Enable JavaScript" toggle in the menu.

Incidentally, scaling has now been moved to the core. Not sure if it has affected speed, but there's a chance that it now isn't trying to do floating point maths at times when it may have before.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2019, 11:48:36 PM by chris »
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Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2019, 04:48:13 PM »
I think that it is just like it used to be with 68030, but considering my and others 68060 users results, it seems that 68060 cpu support is f*cked some how.

ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline NovaCoder

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2019, 12:41:33 AM »
I think it should be compiled for 040+FPU at a minimum because there is no point trying to get NetSurf running on anything less.



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