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Offline AmiKit

New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« on: October 19, 2018, 09:51:20 AM »
We worked really hard to bring AmigaOS 3.1.4 support to AmiKit. And we were successful! You're going to love how easy we made it for you. Now you can install the new AmigaOS with a single click!

We've also made a few tweaks and a bit of fine-tuning to make AmiKit even better and easier to use. On top of that, it boots even faster now! This free maintenance update fixes many bugs too.

For more details visit www.amikit.amiga.sk or get in touch via Facebook: www.facebook.com/AmiKit

Offline number6

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2018, 04:33:02 PM »
@AmiKit

https://www.amikit.amiga.sk/os31update?action=vthread&forum=10&topic=469

Your "buy it now" link under "what do I need?" (3.1.4) seems to go back to top of page only?

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Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2018, 05:33:45 PM »
The license for OS 3.1.4 does not specify whether it permits use with emulators or not, but Thomas Richter has been very vocal about the license specifically only allows OS 3.1.4 to be used with physical Amga systems, since Cloanto are the ones with permission to distribute for emulators.

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Offline Pgovotsos

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2018, 07:58:58 PM »
The license for OS 3.1.4 does not specify whether it permits use with emulators or not, but Thomas Richter has been very vocal about the license specifically only allows OS 3.1.4 to be used with physical Amga systems, since Cloanto are the ones with permission to distribute for emulators.

But AmiKit aren't distributing it, only providing a link to buy it from Hyperion.
 

Offline Dynamic_Computing

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2018, 07:40:36 AM »
The license for OS 3.1.4 does not specify whether it permits use with emulators or not, but Thomas Richter has been very vocal about the license specifically only allows OS 3.1.4 to be used with physical Amga systems, since Cloanto are the ones with permission to distribute for emulators.

Come on. Do you really think Hyperion is going to turn away someone's $35 because they are going to run it in UAE? Be realistic.
 

Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2018, 09:23:25 AM »
The license for OS 3.1.4 does not specify whether it permits use with emulators or not, but Thomas Richter has been very vocal about the license specifically only allows OS 3.1.4 to be used with physical Amga systems, since Cloanto are the ones with permission to distribute for emulators.

But AmiKit aren't distributing it, only providing a link to buy it from Hyperion.

Exactly, leaving it up to the individual users to commit the license breach.
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Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2018, 09:33:49 AM »
Come on. Do you really think Hyperion is going to turn away someone's $35 because they are going to run it in UAE? Be realistic.

No, Hyperion is clearpy targeting the largest market, emulators, with OS 3.1.4, despite what the developers say. The EULA is vague about what Hyperion sees as "a legitimate" version of Amiga OS, and I am quite sure this vagueness is done on purpose, so it can be retrofitted to mean whatever Hyperion want it to mean. However, such restrictions must be very specific when selling to end-users, which is why I have reported them to the European Commission. Hyperion must also be realistic, they are pissing off people left and right, and what goes around comes around.
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Offline Pgovotsos

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2018, 09:44:15 AM »
The license for OS 3.1.4 does not specify whether it permits use with emulators or not, but Thomas Richter has been very vocal about the license specifically only allows OS 3.1.4 to be used with physical Amga systems, since Cloanto are the ones with permission to distribute for emulators.

But AmiKit aren't distributing it, only providing a link to buy it from Hyperion.

Exactly, leaving it up to the individual users to commit the license breach.

Do you have a link to the license?

In my extremely un-lawyer mind, which understands absolutely nothing about the technicalities of licenses, if a license doesn't explicitly say something one way or another about something, doesn't that mean that there are no license terms that apply to the issue so no restrictions? I understand that the developers may have a different opinion, but if Hyperion owns the product don't they set the terms? I'm not saying it is right or wrong, especially since the developers weren't paid anything as I understand it, it just is.

Now my understanding of license technicalities is near zero so anything that I think I understand could be completely wrong :)
 

Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2018, 10:39:29 AM »
Since I made a formal complaint with the EC, the license has been copied to the download page.

http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php/where-to-buy/direct-downloads/188-amigaos-314
« Last Edit: October 21, 2018, 10:41:01 AM by kolla »
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Offline number6

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2018, 01:53:47 PM »
@thread

Re:my prior link in post #2 this thread:

Seems entire page about 3.1.4 has been reworked.

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Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2018, 03:06:53 PM »
I find this section in the license rather nuts...
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You are required to select the appropriate "Locale" setting based on the location where you will be operating the AmigaOS.
(Never mind that my appropriate locale settings do not exist.)
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Offline Pgovotsos

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2018, 06:23:12 PM »
Why is this in the license?

"This license allows you to install or operate the AmigaOS only on a computer system that had a version of AmigaOS installed on it at the time you acquired such computer system"

So if I bought a second hand machine that didn't come with the installation media I couldn't install 3.1.4 on it. I thought that it included all the disks to make a virgin installation.
 

Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2018, 11:14:05 AM »
Why is this in the license?

Because Hyperion intend to keep all interpretations open so they can make them fit whatever scenario they potentially end up in.
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Offline Pgovotsos

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2018, 06:16:24 PM »
Why is this in the license?

Because Hyperion intend to keep all interpretations open so they can make them fit whatever scenario they potentially end up in.

It actually sounds more like something that closes options. If I purchase it, by the letter of the license, I can't install it on a machine that doesn't already have a previous version of the OS installed. And how does that work with machines without hard drives? Those cannot have the operating system previously installed. They have a boot ROM (Kickstart) installed but that isn't an operating system - it's just what gives the computer enough instructions to go get the operating system.

So the big box models usually shipped with hard drives installed with the operating system pre-installed. I can install this on them. On the other hand, most of the wedge models did not so by a strict interpretation of the license I can't install this on them.

Essentially I guess I'm saying that I agree with you about the license having issues. Besides the ambiguity regarding use in emulators they severely limit the machines it can be installed on. Actually I guess that statement actually removes the ambiguity regarding use in emulators - they don't, by definition, have an operating system of any kind installed so this can't be installed on them. This statement may have been intended to be a restriction on emulator use but because of the wording applies to much more.
 

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Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2018, 12:09:41 PM »
Are these sort of licences even enforceable ?   I mean Apple says you cant use software you have purchased on anything but original mac hardware,  but i don't think they can enforce that can they ?
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