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Offline wawrzon

a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« on: February 15, 2016, 07:10:03 PM »
i have put here a few minutes of a shaky and blurry video of an amiga a1200/060-50/16mb booting and running aros68k in highres interlace. have not been doing anything particular with it just opening some apps and mui guis to demonstrate overall responsivness and stability of the system under such circumstances. i intend to do a video of my a4k/rtg, which would be much faster, but id like to get rid of bug when booting from intenal ide of an a4000 first as well as correct some glitches when using picasso4 pixelformats. i could swap picasso for cv64 instead, but the work has to be done on p4 either way, sooner or later.



https://vimeo.com/155409792
 

Offline OlafS3

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2016, 09:04:51 AM »
good job Wawa
 

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2016, 10:17:46 AM »
holly crap, it took 1 minute to boot!

And it is a 68060...


Thank you for the video.

But it certainly shows the sorry state of Aros68k :(
 

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2016, 10:20:49 AM »
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holly crap, it took 1 minute to boot!

And it is a 68060...


Thank you for the video.

But it certainly shows the sorry state of Aros68k :(

Hueh? :confused:

it is completely booting from harddrive in opposite to anything 3.X related based on kickstart roms

is booting your preferred task or hobby that that is so important for you?
« Last Edit: February 16, 2016, 10:24:52 AM by OlafS3 »
 

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2016, 10:23:47 AM »
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Hueh? :confused:


How much does your Amiga take too boot AmigaOS? An entire minute is definately too much for a 68060. It seems Aros68k needs lots of love in the optimization department.
 

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2016, 10:26:42 AM »
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How much does your Amiga take too boot AmigaOS? An entire minute is definately too much for a 68060. It seems Aros68k needs lots of love in the optimization department.

it seems you forget that most of Amiga OS is in the roms?

also it boots scalos so when judging it you must stop when scalos shows up
 

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2016, 10:27:59 AM »
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it seems you forget that most of Amiga OS is in the roms?

also it boots scalos so when judging it you must stop when scalos shows up


Fair enough then, so is there a way to burn this Aros68k rom in a chip?
 

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2016, 10:28:13 AM »
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How much does your Amiga take too boot AmigaOS? An entire minute is definately too much for a 68060. It seems Aros68k needs lots of love in the optimization department.

Important is how it behaves when running

Judging something at the boot time is very "amigan", nobody else outside would even care about
 

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2016, 10:30:38 AM »
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Fair enough then, so is there a way to burn this Aros68k rom in a chip?

the roms it is based on could certainly... hopefully it will be possible to do for FPGA based projects

When booting aros first step is to install the aros roms. That step is not necessary when using 3.X and related roms. There certainly is room for efficiency improvements of course.
 

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2016, 10:35:50 AM »
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Important is how it behaves when running

Judging something at the boot time is very "amigan", nobody else outside would even care about


Yes, it is absolutely true. But that has to be with the fact that we dont use Amigas like servers or tablets or phones that need to be online 24 hours a day. So I would say it is a justified expectation from an Amiga point of view to boot in rather short time. Still 46 seconds to the Scalos bootlogo is still too much for a 68060. I can only imagine a 68030 user just waiting forever, and lets not even care about a 68020 one.

All in all, to be fair, system responsiveness seems adequate when the system has already booted and loaded.
 

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2016, 10:41:31 AM »
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Yes, it is absolutely true. But that has to be with the fact that we dont use Amigas like servers or tablets or phones that need to be online 24 hours a day. So I would say it is a justified expectation from an Amiga point of view to boot in rather short time. Still 46 seconds to the Scalos bootlogo is still too much for a 68060. I can only imagine a 68030 user just waiting forever, and lets not even care about a 68020 one.

All in all, to be fair, system responsiveness seems adequate when the system has already booted and loaded.

I think the boot time is less related to 68060 than to speed of harddrive

68060 influences how it behaves when it has started. There is certainly still some room for improvements because Aros was developed on and for X86 at first of course not using amiga features like the blitter. But that has nothing to do with how fast it boots. Fast harddrive and Aros roms using as rom will make a big difference already.
 

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2016, 10:43:50 AM »
I wouldnt think about bootup time and overall responsiveness in terms of 020/030.

Im thinking about giving AROS a try, and its mostly cause I WILL purchase the A1200 Vampire whenever its out.
The Vampire will add "tons" of new classic enviroment users with 128 megabytes of ram and 060++++ level performance.
For both OS 3.9 and AROS, the people making addon packs can scale accordingly.
Ofcourse, Amigans are inherently allergic to bloatware, but some performance impact is impossible to avoid if you add more "modern" functionality.
 

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2016, 10:47:03 AM »
So hopefully things will get better.
 

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2016, 10:50:39 AM »
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So hopefully things will get better.

the more people will use it, give feedback and even contribute to the development the faster it will improve

in this sense... it can only (and will) improve
 

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Re: a shaky/flaky video of aros68k on aga
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2016, 11:00:05 AM »
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the more people will use it, give feedback and even contribute to the development the faster it will improve

in this sense... it can only (and will) improve

Certainly one of the benefits of being open source :)
« Last Edit: February 16, 2016, 11:03:44 AM by Gulliver »