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Offline zylesea

Quote from: Everblue;797564
Well X5000 is way too funky pricewise for me. So that basically means either a Sam460CR (assuming these are still in production) or wait for a Tabor board hoping that considering the price "it won't be THAT bad".

Alternatively, MorphOS on an x86 board, but thats probably years away.


Why not AROS or MorphOS on some cheap hardware?

Offline Everblue

Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2015, 10:10:08 PM »
Quote from: zylesea;797567
Why not AROS or MorphOS on some cheap hardware?


1. I don't like AROS
2. Not comfortable buying big old MACs that weigh a ton and have them shipped from halfway Europe (these are impossible to find in my country) and I want something better than a Mac mini...
 

Offline Yasu

Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2015, 10:30:55 PM »
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1. I don't like AROS
2. Not comfortable buying big old MACs that weigh a ton and have them shipped from halfway Europe (these are impossible to find in my country) and I want something better than a Mac mini...


A Mac Mini is really not bad. Thanks to Altivec it's pretty much as fast or faster than the X5000 (at least the 1.5 GHz model). A G5 is of course much faster, but it got so much wasted potential (no 64 bit, no SMP) and the hardware is not as reliable.

My Mac Mini is my favourite PPC mac to date :)

Offline Iggy

Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2015, 11:03:49 PM »
Quote from: Everblue;797569
1. I don't like AROS
2. Not comfortable buying big old MACs that weigh a ton and have them shipped from halfway Europe (these are impossible to find in my country) and I want something better than a Mac mini...


Well, obviously a Mac Mini is not going to be as fast as an X5000.
And the systems that would be, like the PowerMac G5 do weigh a LOT.

A Mac Mini's processor would be more powerful than the one in Tabor, but the graphics are not upgradable and they have only 32 or 64mb of video ram.

A toss up except for price in which the Mini would probably win.

However, the Mini can only run MorphOS, not OS4.

If OS4 is coming to PowerBooks, I CAN recommend those as they run MorphOS extremely well.

But running MorphOS on Tabor?
Why? My iBook would beat the processor benchmarks for that and it cost me less than $100.

If you want to run MorphOS, the 1.42 iBook is a dirt cheap way to start.
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Offline Everblue

Alternatives to Tabor (from New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor")
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2015, 11:15:00 PM »
Quote from: Yasu;797571
A Mac Mini is really not bad. Thanks to Altivec it's pretty much as fast or faster than the X5000 (at least the 1.5 GHz model). A G5 is of course much faster, but it got so much wasted potential (no 64 bit, no SMP) and the hardware is not as reliable.

My Mac Mini is my favourite PPC mac to date :)


My biggest issue with Mac Mini is VRAM. If you are lucky and find a silent upgrade version you get only 64megs. I have pondered getting a G5.... but as I said, shipping is expensive, and I doubt it will arrive in one piece.
 

Offline Everblue

Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2015, 11:17:51 PM »
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Well, obviously a Mac Mini is not going to be as fast as an X5000.
And the systems that would be, like the PowerMac G5 do weigh a LOT.


Indeed.

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A Mac Mini's processor would be more powerful than the one in Tabor, but the graphics are not upgradable and they have only 32 or 64mb of video ram.


Yep, 32 or 64mb of vram is not great.

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If OS4 is coming to PowerBooks, I CAN recommend those as they run MorphOS extremely well.

But running MorphOS on Tabor?
Why? My iBook would beat the processor benchmarks for that and it cost me less than $100.

If you want to run MorphOS, the 1.42 iBook is a dirt cheap way to start.


I already own an iBook and I played around a bit on it to test Morphos (even though I am not a fan of laptops). Also, this machine is not in a great condition so I didn't bother to register it.
 

Offline Iggy

Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2015, 11:28:01 PM »
Quote from: Everblue;797573
... I have pondered getting a G5.... but as I said, shipping is expensive, and I doubt it will arrive in one piece.


I have had very bad luck getting G5s shipped without damage to the handles/legs that are at the top and bottom.
But other than that, they handle shipment pretty well.

I currently have two, one an AGP model and the other a PCI-e model (in case support  is introduced for the later).

The AGP model can use one of the fastest video cards that has 2D and 3D acceleration under MorphOS, the Radeon X1950.
While not tested, the PCI-e model (if supported) should be able to go one better by supporting the Radeon X1950XTX with 512MB of GDDR4.

No one but the developers knows if later upgraded revisions the Radeon HD drivers (with 3D acceleration) will function without relying on firmware like the R500 driver, but should they the G5s could potentially support all graphic cards used in PCI-e OS4 systems.
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Offline zylesea

Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2015, 11:28:54 PM »
Quote from: Everblue;797569
1. I don't like AROS
2. Not comfortable buying big old MACs that weigh a ton and have them shipped from halfway Europe (these are impossible to find in my country) and I want something better than a Mac mini...


Powerbook 5.8 or 5.6. Fast (1.67 GHz) , silent, portable and cheap, enough VRAM. Shipping from rest of EU to Malta is no issue (e.g. DHL charges 15.99 EUR for 5kg from Germany to Malta). Disadvantage iof a Powerbook: Replacing the hdd is a bit of work. At least I am very happy with my Powerbook 5.6 (as I am with my Mac mini 1.5GHz).

Offline Iggy

Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2015, 11:30:39 PM »
Quote from: Everblue;797574
...I already own an iBook and I played around a bit on it to test Morphos (even though I am not a fan of laptops). Also, this machine is not in a great condition so I didn't bother to register it.

I must admit that the iBook is not the most durable Apple product I've used, and some are pretty rrrrough.

But as hardware goes, I'd rather have an iBook than one of those Lime laptops.

Oh, and Zylesea has mentioned, the PowerBooks are also a great option.

So far I have shipped two of those to fellow MorphOS users in Europe.

There is a 1.67 GHz 128MB vram version that offer higher resolution that can be had in the US for about $200.
Definitely worth having.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2015, 11:33:44 PM by Iggy »
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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2015, 11:40:59 PM »
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Yeah, cos what would Hyperion know about that :D

I say I have developed a super-amiga. Proof me the opposite :lol:

you will say show it to me. That is what I wrote... I have neither claimed anything is lie nor anything is truth. People have doubts because of processor so lets wait. Or do you know more than the rest of us?
 

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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2015, 11:43:36 PM »
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1. I don't like AROS
2. Not comfortable buying big old MACs that weigh a ton and have them shipped from halfway Europe (these are impossible to find in my country) and I want something better than a Mac mini...

you do not like Aros?

too bad
 

Offline Iggy

Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2015, 12:14:26 AM »
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you do not like Aros?

too bad


Frankly, I'm thinking AROS 68K just might be the future for advanced legacy re-implementations.
Useless everyone WANTS to pay Cloanto for an OS that hasn't been updated in decades.

And X86 AROS looks like a very slick package.

We do own you on the PPC platform though. :lol:
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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2015, 12:28:45 AM »
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Frankly, I'm thinking AROS 68K just might be the future for advanced legacy re-implementations.
Useless everyone WANTS to pay Cloanto for an OS that hasn't been updated in decades.

And X86 AROS looks like a very slick package.

We do own you on the PPC platform though. :lol:

that is debatable :)
 

Offline nicholas

Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2015, 02:06:00 AM »
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that is debatable :)

 Other than the old SAM440 port that hasn't had a successful nightly build for download since January*, what PPC harware does AROS run on?  http://netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net/project/aros/nightly2/20150126/Binaries/AROS-20150126-sam440-ppc-boot-iso.zip
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Offline Yasu

Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2015, 07:28:06 AM »
True, VRAM is a problem on Mac Mini. Thankfully 64 MB is enough. And yes, the Powerbook isn't bad at all. It can even substitute for a desktop (it got DVI connectors).