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Offline amigean

Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2004, 11:50:08 PM »
I agree with melott (and it is only my opinion - well and his) :-)

Melott is quite right that it is the Amiga user AROS is (primarily) intended for...

68k support would be a good stepstone to get people to migrate - once there then x86 specific code can be developed further

it doesn't have to be amithlon, but compatibility never harmed any software

btw - Great job Matt and the others, keep it up.... I wish I could write code! :-(


 

Offline DFergATL

Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2004, 01:11:43 AM »
I think my origional point has been lost on a few people.  I understand who the target audience is.  I understand that companies are not going to port their projects to an incomplete OS.  My point is this, if more devlopers don't work on AROS it might not ever get to that point of being a complete OS.  Everyone just sits around saying "When it can run 68k code", "When it is more complete".  There are only a handful, at best, of developers trying to get AROS to a state where even porting software could even be considered.  So, what it needs is more devlopers trying to get it to the point where it is useful.  If everyone just sits around waiting for the day it becomes useful, it could take a long, long, long time.  This is an OS that the Amiga community can actively take part in making it the OS they want. I believe that there is some "Majic line" that when AROS reaches it people will start porting things over to it. Yet, only a few devlopers are currently working to reach that "Majic line".  I agree 68k software would be great.  I agree that current and past Amiga users are the target.  I agree that AROS will need users in order to justify porting a lot of the current software.  So, lets all just sit around waiting for the 3-5 devlopers working on it, in there spare time, to get it finished. Once agin I will ask the question I did in the origional post.  Does anyone have any good ideas on how we can get some more devlopers to help out with AROS, to reach that "Majic line?"  There is a bounty program with hundreds of dollars just sitting there, waiting...  Lonely little dollars in need of a good home.  Cute, loveable little dollars, begging "take me home, take me home."
Sir, I believe that we have a problem with your brain being missing.  -Firefly-
 

Offline amigean

Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2004, 02:09:22 AM »
perhaps an idea would be to host AROS 'shows' in various venues to raise awareness - however I believe this can only be done when we have something to show that can do more than AROS does today

the fact that a native gcc compiler now exists for AROS should in theory make porting easier. So my guess is that we might soon be seeing people recompiling familiar software for AROS...

another idea would be to approach ex-amiga entusiasts/developers (not companies) - by emailing them directly and drawing their attention to the existence of AROS...

targetting young talented programmers with loads of time on their hands could also be useful: university campuses can be a good source of such people - what about making posters that all of us who go to university (or live near one) could put on billboards on their uni's IT departments?

I could certainly help with the above if we were to be co-ordinated somehow

 

Offline DFergATL

Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2004, 02:26:27 AM »
I like those ideas.  I am not a college student myself.  But I live near Atlanta.  I agree it needs to do a bit more.  Hopefully the TCP/IP will get worked on, I do believe that the bounty for that is up to $550.  I really think that if most of the currently outstanding bounties can get completed that would help a great deal.  There is one for the 68k and I am not discounting it but not really counting it in this context.  Once people get get some internet acess, able to install it on any partition and boot directly into it.  I think that is a resonable goal and one that could be not too far away.  I could try to get into the hand of some students at Georgia Tech, once I can figure out how. The bounties have really grown over the last month or so.  I don't think that any of them are less than $150 and a lot are $250 or more.  For example:  If someone can write a FAT driver, it could be worth $250.  Not bad, I dont' think.
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Offline dammy

Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2004, 03:34:12 AM »
by melott on 2004/2/18 17:26:14

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I don't think AROS will go anywhere until it gets 68k
compatability on th x86 platform.


For me, AROS' UAE is just fine enough for running the old Amiga Apps.  YMMV.

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Offline melott

Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2004, 03:44:34 AM »
I beleave the origonal intent of AROS was to be 68k
compatable. As the Classic Amiga machines died off people
would just take their software over to AROS on the x86.
Otherwise why was the Kickstart rom ported over?
I beleave the AROS team decided at some point to change
directions for a universal OS and forget the 68k.
For many months there appears to be no real interest
in the 68k. So as far as I'm concerned and I suspect a
great many others ( Classic Amigans ) AROS is a non-issue.
We keep our Classics alive and as for me, I'll buy a
'Cold Fusion' accellerator when/if they come out.
The only option on the horizon for a fast 'Classic'.

You want to know why no one wants to develope for AROS.
All the facts are there ( cold and hartless ) just look.

I'm sorry, I had high hopes for AROS too, but they are
more or less dead.
I commend the AROS Team for their accomplishments, but
in the end I think ....'Whats the point??'

( its only my opinion )

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Offline DFergATL

Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2004, 04:03:53 AM »
Ok, we get it.  You don't like Aros because it may or may not run the 68k software in the mannor in which you wish.  Your opinion is noted.  Now, move along....
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Offline melott

Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2004, 04:27:57 AM »
@ DFergATL....

I'm not trolling, just stating the facts as I see them.
You can agree or not, your choice.

I will present an option to you though......

A Beginners 'C' group just started a couple weeks ago.
You and the others that feel so strongly about AROS should
join the group and learn to program. Then you can work on
AROS yourself.

Just send an empty EMail to this address to join

The group address......

    amiga_bcg-subscribe@yahoogroups.com


   
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Offline Darth_X

Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2004, 05:10:09 AM »
@Dammy

Who made your avatar? It looks cool!
 

Offline dammy

Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2004, 06:04:51 AM »
by Darth_X on 2004/2/19 0:10:09

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Who made your avatar? It looks cool!


Why Meers of course. He did a hell of a good job on it. =)

Dammy
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Offline DFergATL

Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2004, 06:06:55 AM »
Ok, guy.  So, we agree on some points.  Dissagree on others, and so the world continues to turn.  I have been following the AROS devlopment for some time.  At one point they decided that UAE was going to have to do.  Recently there has been some discussion on the subject of intrigrating 68k into Aros.  All agree that it would be very, very hard but might not be as impossiable as once thought.  I still think it would be cool,very cool to do it.  I just don't see it the most important thing for Aros to do at this time.  There is a bounty for it on Team Aros, if you still belive that they can do it maybe a few bucks tossed that way would help.  I have also put some money on it even though I don't have any 68k software anymore to run with it.  As for the C class I thought about it but my job takes up well over 50 hours a week and there is more coming and I just would not be able to commit to it.  I am sort of studing C# on my own.  Not that it helps or that anyone cares but I am finding it interesting.  I feel for the people currently working on Aros. There are all these expectations and so few of them working on it.  My only goal for even starting this thread was to see if anyone had any ideas on how we might get some more people working on it.  But in conclusion to this thread I have learned one very important thing.  Keep my thoughts to myself.  bye ya'll
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Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2004, 09:41:56 AM »
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melott wrote:
I beleave the origonal intent of AROS was to be 68k
compatable. As the Classic Amiga machines died off people
would just take their software over to AROS on the x86.
Otherwise why was the Kickstart rom ported over?
I beleave the AROS team decided at some point to change
directions for a universal OS and forget the 68k.
For many months there appears to be no real interest
in the 68k. So as far as I'm concerned and I suspect a
great many others ( Classic Amigans ) AROS is a non-issue.
We keep our Classics alive and as for me, I'll buy a
'Cold Fusion' accellerator when/if they come out.
The only option on the horizon for a fast 'Classic'.

You want to know why no one wants to develope for AROS.
All the facts are there ( cold and hartless ) just look.

I'm sorry, I had high hopes for AROS too, but they are
more or less dead.
I commend the AROS Team for their accomplishments, but
in the end I think ....'Whats the point??'

( its only my opinion )



You views are slightly skewed, one point was that AROS has always been intened to be portable.

It's also important to remember that AROS is yours. In fact it's everybodies! you may use it as you wish. You even have the source code and you may use that source code any run it on any hardware you want.  With AROS you are not at the mercy of a single company, you get to see any security flaws, you may add functionality and/or customise it to suit your every need.

Another point I'd like to make is that we actually have 3 68k version of AROS! An Amiga-Native one which can seemlessly replace Amiga OS, a 68k-Linux one that runs hosted on Linux and a Palm version. It is true though that these version have not been developed as far as the x86 version, but that is due to the easy availablity of x86 hardware and the power of such hardware makes compiling much quicker.

Offline T_Bone

Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2004, 09:53:34 AM »
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DFergATL wrote:
 But in conclusion to this thread I have learned one very important thing.  Keep my thoughts to myself.  bye ya'll

 :-?
Why keep them to yourself???
Nothing wrong with discussion.
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Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2004, 10:01:21 AM »
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But in conclusion to this thread I have learned one very important thing. Keep my thoughts to myself. bye ya'll


To Reitterate T_Bone's point. You have raised issues that needed to be raised. For that we must thank you and encourage you to share your thoughts in future! :-)

Offline melott

Re: Jumpstart AROS devlopment
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2004, 03:31:22 PM »
@ Bloodline

Actually, I think you have missed my point.
I was just tring to show why His pleas are falling on
'Deaf Ears'. AROS is in a 'Catch 22' situation of their
own making. 68k is the way to break the circle.
Most of the guys with the abilities he was calling for
to work on AROS already have their pet projects.

Aros running on an Amiga is not the same as Amiga running
on AROS.

Yes, I understand AROS is open source.
I beleave you know about the 'C' group I started not long
ago. My reasons, simply put, are to bring 68k to AROS.
I know this is a massive undertaking for a person of my
very limited skills.
I may be totally full of crap and I'm sure I have no idea
what I'm getting into with this goal.
If you want something done 'do it yourself'.
Its a very very long road I've chosen, but if I don't start
now I'll never get there.
 
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